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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:45 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Thankfully, Putin wouldn’t pull an Israel and utterly destroy villages, towns, and indiscriminately murder civilians, so it might not look like it’s finished, but it is.

Have you seen what Russia has done to the villages, cities, and countryside?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.oswlBPYVb7na3yHzE7UKFAHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=2dcb6340c591b38fb6038bca79fe22c6510d3fed9dec26c64655f7c93501cc25&ipo=images
That's just one picture...do a search and you can see it's not an isolated example.

Do you know how many civilians have been found bound and executed?

Look, the difference between the civilian deaths in Ukraine and Gaza is that the Ukrainians had someplace to escape to. It's a big country, as opposed to an overcrowded urban prison.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:46 am
Biden Criticizes Israel for 'Over the Top' Gaza Offensive

Source: Bloomberg

February 8, 2024 at 9:59 PM EST
Updated on February 9, 2024 at 4:41 AM EST


US President Joe Biden criticized the extent of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, as tension builds over Israeli plans to push into Rafah, where more than one million people have sought refuge.

“The conduct of the response in the Gaza Strip has been over the top,” Biden said Thursday at the White House. “There are a lot of innocent people who are starving. A lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying. And it’s got to stop.”

The president’s comments marked an escalation in his criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s prosecution of the war against Hamas. They came after the Israeli leader previewed plans for ground forces to enter the city of Rafah, which lies to the south of Gaza and near the Palestinian territory’s border with Egypt.

Israel launched airstrikes in the area overnight, killing at least eight Palestinians, the Associated Press reported. The White House has expressed concern about the fate of refugees gathered in and around Rafah, saying it would not support an offensive that did not account for the impact on civilians. A military operation there right now would be a “disaster for those people and it’s not something that we would support,” US National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said on Thursday.
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Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-09/biden-says-gaza-carnage-over-the-top-urging-pause-in-fighting
Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
I always hoped to one day meet all you desperados, but unfortunately right now it's less likely for me to be able to do that anytime in the foreseeable future. But I 'm with you in spirit like a motherfucka! Very Happy
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:51 am
@bobsal u1553115,
The anti war demonstrators shouting "Genocide Joe" have finally made an impact.

It's a bit late in the day, and without the threat of repercussions it's essentially meaningless.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:54 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Thankfully, Putin wouldn’t pull an Israel and utterly destroy villages, towns, and indiscriminately murder civilians, so it might not look like it’s finished, but it is.

Have you seen what Russia has done to the villages, cities, and countryside?
Honestly, even for Lash's "world view" this is a big lie.

Around 1.1 million Ukrainian war refugees are currently living in Germany. And no matter where they are accommodated: the war orphans among these refugees can be found everywhere.
Around 9 % of the entire housing stock in Ukraine has been completely destroyed.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 07:55 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Look, the difference between the civilian deaths in Ukraine and Gaza is that the Ukrainians had someplace to escape to. It's a big country, as opposed to an overcrowded urban prison.


And Ukraine's allies supplied them with a sufficient amount of defensive weapons systems to stymie Putin's air power. None of the Arab states did anything like that – the Gazans were left to fend for themselves.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 08:13 am
Conservative minister Kemi Badenoch has said death threats have increased since Nadine Dorries published her book choc full of paranoid speculation but missing any facts about the resignation of Boris Johnson.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:11 am
Quote:
Thankfully, Putin wouldn’t pull an Israel and utterly destroy villages, towns, and indiscriminately murder civilians...

Remember the Battle of Grozny?
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs.wsj.net%2Fpublic%2Fresources%2Fimages%2FBN-QS504_GROZNY_M_20161109140943.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4fd12f9d426daac5ef14624251b5833a8b598aa08fe9650a3510b1486437ab43&ipo=images
I don't recall the level of international outrage at Russia's war crimes in Chechnya being anywhere near that expressed over Gaza. I don't remember the plight of the Chechen people inspiring demonstrations on college campuses. Similarly, the level of civilian death currently occurring in Darfur seems to rate less concern on the international stage. It's okay to put the USA's feet to the fire and condemn the IDF but you get the impression that some humans are considered more expendable, some hostile actors less culpable.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:24 am
@hightor,
The two Chechen wars from 1994 to 1996 and from 1999 to 2009 are indeed a sad example of Russian warfare as it is now being waged in Ukraine.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

hightor wrote:

Quote:
Thankfully, Putin wouldn’t pull an Israel and utterly destroy villages, towns, and indiscriminately murder civilians, so it might not look like it’s finished, but it is.

Have you seen what Russia has done to the villages, cities, and countryside?
Honestly, even for Lash's "world view" this is a big lie.

Around 1.1 million Ukrainian war refugees are currently living in Germany. And no matter where they are accommodated: the war orphans among these refugees can be found everywhere.
Around 9 % of the entire housing stock in Ukraine has been completely destroyed.

I guess 8% is a lot. I'm not trying to be callous toward the beleaguered people of Ukraine. But, the truth is on my side.

When you compare what has happened to the people of Gaza, the reality smacks you in the face. 8% is terrible. 50%-to 61% proves indiscriminate bombing and extermination level bombing. 8% shows comparative care in avoiding a massacre of civilians. There can be no believable argument against that fact.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006607

At least half of Gaza's buildings damaged or destroyed, new analysis shows
30 January 2024


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By Daniele Palumbo, Abdelrahman Abutaleb, Paul Cusiac & Erwan Rivault
BBC Verify & BBC Arabic

More than half of Gaza's buildings have been damaged or destroyed since Israel launched its retaliation for the Hamas attacks of 7 October, new analysis seen by the BBC reveals.

Detailed before-and-after imagery also shows how the bombardment of southern and central Gaza has intensified since the start of December, with the city of Khan Younis bearing much of the brunt of Israel's military action.

Israel has repeatedly told Gazans to move south for their own safety.
Across Gaza, residential areas have been left ruined, previously busy shopping streets reduced to rubble, universities destroyed and farmlands churned up, with tent cities springing up on the southern border to house many thousands of people left homeless.

About 1.7 million people - more than 80% of Gaza's population - are displaced, with nearly half crammed in the far southern end of the strip, according to the United Nations.

Further analysis, by BBC Verify, reveals the scale of destruction of farmland, identifying multiple areas of extensive damage.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said it is targeting both Hamas fighters and "terror infrastructure", when challenged over the scale of damage.
Now, satellite data analysis obtained by the BBC shows the true extent of the destruction. The analysis suggests between 144,000 and 175,000 buildings across the whole Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed. That's between 50% and 61% of Gaza's buildings.

The analysis, carried out by Corey Scher of City University of New York and Jamon Van Den Hoek of Oregon State University, compares images to reveal sudden changes in the height or structure of buildings which indicate damage.

(A map graphic showing the increasing damage across Gaza from October to November to January)

Devastation moves south
The southern city of Khan Younis has been particularly badly hit in recent weeks, with more than 38,000 (or more than 46%) of buildings now destroyed or damaged, according to the analysis. Over the past fortnight, more than 1,500 buildings have been destroyed or damaged there.

Al-Farra Tower - a 16-storey residential block in the centre of the city, the tallest building in the area - was flattened on 9 January as can be seen in before-and-after images of the city's skyline. Much of the neighbourhood in which it sits has been levelled by Israeli attacks since late December.

"Israeli forces targeted residential complexes, especially in the downtown Khan Younis area," said Rawan Qaddah, a 20-year-old resident, who has been displaced and has lost contact with her family.
She named schools among the many buildings which had been damaged. Some were now being used to house displaced people temporarily.

(Watch: Drone footage shows the extent of destruction in Khan Younis, Maghazi and Rafah)
*You can clearly see the level of damage from street level. Once bustling high streets have been left derelict or destroyed.
*These images show the front of the Shawarma Sanabel restaurant before Israel's invasion, and how the same junction looked in a composite image from January after intense bombardment of the area.
*An image showing a restaurant in Khan Younis before the Israeli invasion and another showing the same restaurant surrounded by destroyed or badly damaged buildings in January)

The IDF has repeatedly justified its actions by noting that Hamas deliberately embeds itself in civilian areas and explained destruction of buildings in the light of targeting fighters. But questions have been asked about destruction of buildings seemingly firmly in the control of the IDF.

One example was the Israa University, in northern Gaza - initially badly damaged shortly before being blown up completely in what looked like a massive controlled explosion. The video was widely shared on social media and the IDF says the approval process for the blast is now being investigated.

(Watch: Gaza university blown up in massive explosion
*Many of Gaza's historic sites have suffered extensive damage, including the al-Omari Mosque originally built in the 7th Century.)

Counting the destruction of religious sites in Gaza
Mr Scher, one of the academics who worked on the Gaza damage assessment, said it stands out compared with other war zones he's analysed.


"We've done work over Ukraine, we've also looked at Aleppo and other cities, but the extent and the pace of damage is remarkable. I've never seen this much damage appear so quickly."

Destruction to Gaza's farmlands
Further analysis, carried out by BBC Verify, shows large areas of previously cultivated land across Gaza have been extensively damaged.
As you can see from the satellite image below, several parts of Gaza show the effects of Israeli incursions and bombardment.
A map showing various sites of destruction across Gaza - you can see dark soil from recent damage, large areas of ruined farm land and sites of Israeli incursions

Although Gaza was heavily dependent on imports before the start of the war, a lot of its food came from farming and food production inside the strip. Aid agencies say half of Gaza's population is now facing starvation.

BBC Arabic spoke to one farmer, Saeed, who fled south from Beit Lahia, in the north of Gaza, in mid-November.

The 33-year-old grew guava, figs, lemons, oranges, mint, and basil and earned about $6,000 (£5,535) from these crops every year - the only source of income for him, his father and his sister. He had tended to the farm, inherited from his grandparents, for 15 years.

But days after fleeing, he says he was told by a relative that the farm had been destroyed by the IDF, along with five surrounding homes which belonged to his relatives.

In the north and centre of Gaza, where most agriculture took place before the war, large areas of land appear ruined. In many places the damage corresponds with the construction of temporary Israeli defences, earth banks to protect armoured vehicles, and the clearing of surrounding land.

Some farmers have lost their crops even though their land was not directly hit, the BBC understands.

Mohamed al-Messaddar, a farmer from Deir al-Balah in central Gaza, has only been able to go to his farm once since the beginning of the war.
Arriving during the truce in November, oranges were scattered, rotting on the ground. "The date of harvesting oranges coincided with the beginning of the war. No one would have dared to go there."
He says he lost more than 90% of his orange crop.
Beyond the pattern of land affected by bulldozing of roads and building of defences, there have been allegations of deliberate destruction levelled at the IDF.
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There's no comparison.
Pics and aerial photographs available at the link for those who want to see.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Quote:
Thankfully, Putin wouldn’t pull an Israel and utterly destroy villages, towns, and indiscriminately murder civilians

Honestly, even for Lash's "world view" this is a big lie.

There is a daily flood of evidence that Lash commonly spreads profoundly uneducated claims along with outright falsehoods. And every engagement with her here serves her purposes as a troll.

Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:47 am
@blatham,
Propaganda Label Vilify Dismiss

You should attend to facts. You're going to have to sooner or later.

8% isn't in the universe of 50%-61%
You're in effect cheering a genocide.
That's not really you, is it?
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Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:48 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Are you sure you even have a clue?

Me? Yeah. You? Not so much.

You must have read something from years ago.

Here's something up to date: https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-overtakes-china-as-largest-u-s-bondholder-1429129765
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 09:51 am
@Lash,
9% of homes destroyed in Ukraine - for illustration:
in the Second World War, 9.4% of the housing stock of 1939 was totally destroyed on the territory of the later GDR (that includes, of course, Dresden and Berlin), while on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany a housing loss of 18.5% was to be deplored.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 10:07 am
Must Read:
There's an extremely good account of Carlson's interview of Putin (along with video clips) you will want to see at Digby's Hullaballoo
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 10:08 am
@hightor,
Chechnya is part of Russia, it's not a foreign country or an occupied people.

That would have made any action extremely problematic.

How well reported was this in America?

It didn't make the headlines over here, and our news is far more international.

I remember an episode of the Sopranos where Paulie Walnuts is told of a rival coming from Chechnya and he then calls it Czechoslovakia.

bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 10:41 am
@Glennn,
Let's put all that fear you Lash feel to heel:

1. No country owning US debt wants the US to fail, like my uncle used to say, "Owe the bank $100,000 and thenbank owns you, owe the bank $1,000,000 and you own the bank."

2. The Bottom Line

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124#toc-frequently-asked-questions-faqs

The U.S. national debt is the sum of public debt that is held by other countries, the Federal Reserve, mutual funds, and other entities and individuals, as well as intragovernmental holdings held by Social Security, Military Retirement Fund, Medicare, and other retirement funds.

Many people believe that much of the U.S. national debt is owed to foreign countries like China and Japan, but the truth is that most of it is owed to Social Security and pension funds right here in the U.S. This means that U.S. citizens own most of the national debt.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 10:41 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It didn't make the headlines over here, and our news is far more international.
I think, it was reported in the UK as it was elsewhere:

Chechnya and Russia: timeline
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 11:39 am
Putin a hero? Ukraine a villain? How MAGA has inverted American foreign policy

David French wrote:
As I type this newsletter, continued American aid for Ukraine is in grave doubt. Tucker Carlson is in Moscow to conduct a friendly interview with Vladimir Putin. And we’re receiving reports from the front lines that Russia is advancing, in part because of Ukrainian ammunition shortages. In short, the war is reaching a critical stage, and Ukraine may lose because Republicans are willing to hand authoritarian Russia a historic military victory rather than supply further aid to a democratic ally.

Ronald Reagan isn’t just rolling over in his grave, he may also lurch from it in a fit of incredulous rage. This is a remarkable and potentially catastrophic reversal by a political party that is in a state of near total, frequently random ideological transformation.

To explain the intensity of Republican resistance to Ukraine aid, I need to return to a concept I wrote about in November: that of “bespoke realities.” My friend Renée DiResta, the technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory, coined the term, and it refers to the “bubble realities” constructed by communities “that operate with their own norms, media, trusted authorities and frameworks of facts.”

Among those who oppose aid to Ukraine, there are certainly several old-school paleoconservatives who object on classic isolationist grounds: It’s not our fight, our support is costly, we might find ourselves inadvertently embroiled in war, and so on. But the mass Republican movement against Ukraine is rooted far less in policy than it is in a particular bespoke reality of the MAGA universe, in which Ukraine is a pernicious villain, Putin is a flawed hero and Russia should have crushed Ukraine long ago.

MAGA Republicans’ hatred and contempt for Volodymyr Zelensky and the Ukrainian cause is shockingly vehement. Candace Owens says she wants to “punch” Zelensky. Donald Trump Jr. calls him an “international welfare queen.” Carlson says he dresses “like the manager of a strip club.” It’s all bizarre and unreasonable. And it all fits the broader MAGA narrative.

Let’s break it down, step by step. First, if you’re stumped by the notion that Ukraine is a villain, you may need reminding of a conspiracy theory that is now largely forgotten but was prevalent on the right at the time of Donald Trump’s first impeachment. In his infamous conversation with Zelensky — the one that triggered the impeachment — Trump asked Zelensky about a “CrowdStrike” server allegedly being held in Ukraine.

This is a reference to a longstanding MAGA claim that it was Ukraine and not Russia that interfered with the 2016 election. There’s no evidence of any kind to support the allegation, and Trump’s own advisers repeatedly debunked it. But my Times colleague Scott Shane described how the theory gained purchase on the right nonetheless. “On 4chan and pro-Trump spaces on Reddit, on websites like ZeroHedge.com and Washington’s Blog,” he wrote in 2019, “you can find plenty of speculation about evil manipulation by CrowdStrike and secret maneuvers by Ukrainians — often inflamed by Mr. Trump’s own statements.”

Combine that claim with the fact that Hunter Biden had a lucrative business relationship with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, and MAGA found itself with the perfect villain to counter the Trump-Russia narrative. Trump wasn’t in bed with a hostile power in Russia, the Democrats were in bed with a hostile power in Ukraine.

But it goes further still. To MAGA, Putin isn’t just innocent, he’s admirable. Heroic, even, in some ways. Putin isn’t defined as an authoritarian dictator at the helm of one of America’s chief geopolitical rivals. No, he’s defined as an anti-woke leader who defends Christian civilization by taking on the decadent West.

In a 2017 speech at Hillsdale College, the Claremont Institute’s Christopher Caldwell declared that if “we were to use traditional measures for understanding leaders, which involve the defense of borders and national flourishing, Putin would count as the pre-eminent statesman of our time.” In Caldwell’s words, Putin “is not the president of a feminist NGO. He is not a transgender-rights activist. He is not an ombudsman appointed by the United Nations to make and deliver slide shows about green energy.”

In 2021, The American Conservative’s Rod Dreher praised a Putin speech condemning the West and said that Putin and Hungary’s Viktor Orban were “completely clear and completely correct on the society-destroying nature of wokeness and postliberal leftism.” (It should be noted that Dreher has nonetheless unequivocally condemned Putin’s invasion.) A 2022 exchange between Steve Bannon and Erik Prince, the founder of private military contractor Blackwater, was even more illustrative. Bannon hosted Prince on his podcast shortly after Putin’s invasion and proclaimed Putin “anti-woke.” Prince replied supportively that the people of Russia “still know which bathroom to use.” And Bannon kept the thought alive, asking, “How many genders are there in Russia?”

Jordan Peterson, meanwhile, went so far as to imply that Russia’s aggressive attack may have been merely self-defense against the threat of Western cultural decadence. The culture war, he mused, may be “serious enough to increase the probability that Russia, say, will be motivated to invade and potentially incapacitate Ukraine merely to keep the pathological West out of that country, which is a key part of the historically Russian sphere of influence.”

There is an old saying: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ideally, the phrase means that Americans set aside their domestic differences to address foreign threats to the nation. But in this hyper-polarized era, the far right gets this equation precisely backward. They are aiding Vladimir Putin because they see him, too, as opposed to their domestic enemies.

Before the war, MAGA’s combination of hostility toward Ukraine and admiration of Putin created a very particular narrative: Rugged, manly, traditional Russia was physically and spiritually stronger than the liberalizing West, and it would roll over Ukraine with only token resistance. Indeed, before the war, Ted Cruz shared a tweet in which he contrasted Russian and American military ads. The U.S. ad, he claimed, showed our military to be “woke” and “emasculated.” But the Russian ad reeked of masculine aggression. How could the West — let alone tiny Ukraine — stand against such manly men?

Then the war started, and Ukraine and its allies in the allegedly weak, woke West proved astonishingly resilient. The tough, masculine Russian military was stopped cold outside of Kyiv and has suffered humiliating, catastrophic losses. In other words, nothing has gone according to Russian plans — or MAGA expectations.

I do not want to imply that all Republican opposition to Ukraine aid is rooted in this MAGA bespoke reality. As I said, there are thoughtful people who disagree with additional aid on fiscal or strategic grounds. I disagree with them, but I respect their views. But the MAGA infotainment right isn’t engaged in thoughtful analysis. It’s turning its angry domestic grievances into foreign policy.

America has made profound and catastrophic foreign policy mistakes in the past. But never in my lifetime have we been on the verge of a mistake so profound and catastrophic that was the direct result of theories and ideas that were so shallow, stupid and frankly bizarre.

There are still millions of Republicans who want to support Ukraine. But if the last eight years have taught us anything, it’s that in any clash between traditional Republicans and MAGA, traditional Republicans typically surrender. And so it is here. At the beginning of the war, only 9 percent of Republicans believed the United States was supplying too much aid to Ukraine. Now that number is a plurality of 48 percent. MAGA is once again dragging the G.O.P. into its bespoke reality, and the consequences could be catastrophic for Ukraine, Europe and the future of American security. source
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2024 11:49 am
As far as Boris Johnson visiting Ukraine goes, it was in the middle of Partygate.

Johnson was always going to Kyiv for a photo oportunity to escape the dismal headlines at home.

It didn't do him any good, Partygate did for him in the end.
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