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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:46 am
@hightor,
Hear, hear!!!!
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:59 am
@izzythepush,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Americans

2,097,642
U.S. estimate, 2018, self-reported[1]
0.639% of the U.S. population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Americans
166,088
(2021 American Community Survey; 0.05% of U.S.'s population)[1]

This is a population with high private ownership of businesses and a high level of education. I don't believe for a second that even most of them would either not vote or vote for the GOP candidate. They will not vote against their interests once they get in the voting booth by and large. And if they did, it would only blip the vote.

While no one has done more for Israel than the US, no one has done more for Palestinians, either. Most Arab countries have little more use for Palestinians than as a political football.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 09:09 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I'm not the one you need to convince.

Do you honestly think most Palestinians would think America has done more for them than any other country?

It's not just money.

I'm not running around chasing quotations on this device, but I recently posted an article from the Guardian about Arab Americans organising to deprive Biden of Michigan.

I understand Michigan is akey swing state and while Arab Americans may only make up 0.639% of the US as a whole, in Michigan it's 2.1%, and that's significant in a swing state.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 09:44 am
@hightor,
I was accused of hijacking a thread on Monitoring Biden because I was discussing Biden’s role in the genocide. Obviously, only monitoring positive aspects of Biden is welcome. Not sure how the peanut gallery is able to get through the day avoiding this news and the resulting effects on Biden’s chances, but a few have done a valiant job.

I have intentionally deleted a few of my responses because I don’t want to overwhelm the thread, but I am on topic.

And why not stay on the topic.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 10:48 am
@izzythepush,
Not trying to convince anybody of anything.

Just adding some factual nuance to the conversation.

Ain't nobody here going to change their mind about anything here, but it would be nice to see some perspective in a couple of people here's opinion.

Though we have seen one jump off the RFK Jr bandwagon. And then climb on the Jill Stein band wagon, voting for Stein is like a vote for the GOP, as is a vote for the No Label Party.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 11:12 am
@bobsal u1553115,
A lot can happen between now and November. Polls are snapshots of opinions at a given time and that's basically all they're useful for – assessing the mood of the electorate this week or last week. You can compare movement in the polls, connect the changes to different issues, identify areas where a candidate is weak, etc. What you can't do is look at a poll in January and start gloating about a future victory in November.

Arab and Muslim voters have known that the USA firmly supports the state of Israel for a long time. The horrifying events in Gaza have certainly brought this home and may very well convince some of them sit out the election or even cast a vote for Trump. Many US Muslims are socially conservative, and the GOP has been seeking their support by highlighting its active campaign against transgender rights to Arab/Muslim voters. But if Trump wins the nomination it's possible that Democrats will be able to convince at least some of them that a win by Trump – and possibly getting harassed or even deported as a result – isn't worth getting electoral revenge on Biden. There are certain to be other events which will rise to prominence in the campaign as well.

Biden and pro-Israel Democrats will have to work to restore at least some level of Arab/Muslim support because of the damage done by the Netanyahu government over many years, culminating in this Gaza campaign, but no one should expect a complete change in our basic pro-Israel stance. Aid in reconstruction and a clarification and revision of our arms policy (maybe selling defensive weapons only?) might be a good beginning.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 11:34 am
@Lash,
You can certainly post negative stories about Biden and his chances. I've been criticized several times for posting negative polling results. And it's unrealistic to think that a thread about the Biden presidency can ignore major developments such as our role in Gaza. That would be like discussing the Middle East but not mentioning the petroleum economy. But for in depth discussion of US/Israel policy, Israeli/Palestinian relations, and the conduct of the retaliatory invasion of Gaza you could use this thread.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 11:36 am
@bobsal u1553115,
The Biden campaign will need to change the mind of Arab Americans if it wants to keep hold of Michigan.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 12:14 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
The GOP wants to keep the support of those Republicans who strongly support Israel; it's a divisive wedge issue and they absolutely know what they're doing. Unlike the neo-cons in the party, lots of the MAGA-vangelicals are big supporters of Israel but only support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy. It gets more complicated because of the party's significant number of knuckle-dragging, gun-toting, Confederate flag-waving conspiritards who don't support Israel – the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. So, the less said, the better!

Exactly. And let's not forget the "Jewish banker conspiracy" running in the brain of the right - perhaps the world's most dependable easy-answer app for morons and anti-Semites.

So let's avoid any/all reference to the war other than, "Biden is sure f*cking things up, isn't he?"

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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 12:27 pm
Quote:
Since the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, the quantity and virulence of antisemitic content on China’s tightly controlled internet — especially on its social media — has skyrocketed. This unprecedented surge in antisemitism online in China could only be possible with the blessing of the Chinese government, which appears to be using anti-Jewish hate as a tool of its anti-U.S. and anti-Western diplomacy.

Comments comparing Jews to Nazis are pervasive on videos relating to the Israel-Gaza war on one of China’s largest video-sharing platforms, Weibo. State-controlled media outlets have been spreading conspiracy theories about the American Jewish community online as well, including the idea that a small number of Jewish Americans control the vast majority of power and wealth in the United States. A false statistic along those lines, originally posted on Oct. 10 by state broadcaster China Central Television, went viral online, becoming a Weibo trending “hot topic"...
more here

And without a doubt, Russia, Iran and other bad actors are adding to this online campaign with the intent of further destabilizing American society and Western cohesion.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 12:46 pm
@blatham,
They've never taken the Holocaust that seriously in that part of the World. In Thailand there's a Hitler themed restaurant, their logo is Hitler in Col Sanders type rendering.

I can't post links on this device, but it's on google.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 02:35 pm
@hightor,
Ok and thanks.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 04:41 pm
I swear this is my last post on this:

Where the Republican Candidates Stand on Israel

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/18/us/politics/republican-candidates-2024-israel.html

The United States’ relationship with Israel burst to the forefront of the presidential campaign when Hamas attacked Israel in October. The Republican candidates all called for the U.S. to back Israel after the attack, but they differ in their long-term policies — including their support, or lack thereof, for a two-state solution.

He vowed to “fully support” Israel, but he has also criticized Israeli leadership.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After Hamas attacked Israel in October, former President Donald J. Trump first blamed what he described as weakness from President Biden — but, days later, he criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Israeli intelligence, saying they had not been prepared.

He has been a staunch supporter of Israel and is unsympathetic toward Palestinian residents of Gaza.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said Israel “not only has the right to defend itself against these attacks, it has a duty to respond with overwhelming force.” He added: “America must stand with Israel.” Like many Republicans, he claimed falsely that President Biden’s policies toward Iran had funded the attack.

She wants the U.S. to give Israel “whatever” support it needs in responding to Hamas.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR “I would tell Israel, whatever it is you need to not just get your country back, to eliminate the terrorists, we should do,” Nikki Haley said in Iowa after Hamas’s attack in October. She emphasized that blank-check endorsement of aid at a Republican debate in November, saying the United States should “support Israel with whatever they need, whenever they need it” and adding: “The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them.”

He calls for prioritizing American interests, and he has suggested a path to phasing out U.S. aid to Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack in October, Vivek Ramaswamy said on X that other Republicans were reacting with “hysteria rather than rationality.” The United States “should provide Israel with diplomatic support, intelligence-sharing and necessary munitions to defend its own homeland, while taking special care to avoid a broader regional war in the Middle East that would not advance U.S. interests,” he wrote.

He called for “whatever it takes” to support Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said at a Republican debate in November that, if he were president, his message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel would be, “America is here, no matter what it is you need, at any time, to preserve the state of Israel.” At the next debate in December, he said he would send U.S. troops to Gaza to rescue American hostages if the military showed him a plan to get them out safely.

Former Governor of Arkansas

He called support for Israel “a fundamental part of American culture” and signed a bill against boycotts.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Former Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas called the Hamas attack on Israel “symbolic of the times we find ourselves in with weak leadership in the White House.” He added: “We must stand with Israel. We must stand for freedom and democracy. We must stand to face evil head-on.”

Governor of North Dakota Dropped out

He wants “maximum political and military support” for Israel and signed a bill against boycotts.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Gov. Doug Burgum of North Dakota said on the campaign trail in New Hampshire that he would be willing to send U.S. troops to Israel to free hostages. He called the conflict in Israel a “proxy war” between the United States and Iran and, without evidence, linked Hamas’s attack to the Biden administration’s Iran policies.

Senator from South Carolina Dropped out

He did not rule out sending troops to Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina described Hamas’s attack in October as “an assault on Western civilization” and, like many Republicans, claimed falsely that President Biden had “funded” the attacks.

Former Vice President Dropped out

He sees Israel as the fulfillment of a prophecy and has called other Republicans insufficiently supportive.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack in October, former Vice President Mike Pence told CNN, “Israel has got to be given the support from the United States and countries around the world to crush Hamas.”


I encourage all those disaffected to send their money and support to Ramaswamy.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 04:55 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
They've never taken the Holocaust that seriously in that part of the World. In Thailand there's a Hitler themed restaurant, their logo is Hitler in Col Sanders type rendering.

That first sentence wouldn't surprise me at all. Which gives support to the thesis that this current activity has the goals suggested.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 05:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
ONE MORE TIME

I swear this is my last post on this:

Where the Republican Candidates Stand on Israel

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/18/us/politics/republican-candidates-2024-israel.html

The United States’ relationship with Israel burst to the forefront of the presidential campaign when Hamas attacked Israel in October. The Republican candidates all called for the U.S. to back Israel after the attack, but they differ in their long-term policies — including their support, or lack thereof, for a two-state solution.

Donnie "loser" Trump

He vowed to “fully support” Israel, but he has also criticized Israeli leadership.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After Hamas attacked Israel in October, former President Donald J. Trump first blamed what he described as weakness from President Biden — but, days later, he criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Israeli intelligence, saying they had not been prepared.


Ron DeSantis:

He has been a staunch supporter of Israel and is unsympathetic toward Palestinian residents of Gaza.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said Israel “not only has the right to defend itself against these attacks, it has a duty to respond with overwhelming force.” He added: “America must stand with Israel.” Like many Republicans, he claimed falsely that President Biden’s policies toward Iran had funded the attack.


Nikki Haley:

She wants the U.S. to give Israel “whatever” support it needs in responding to Hamas.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR “I would tell Israel, whatever it is you need to not just get your country back, to eliminate the terrorists, we should do,” Nikki Haley said in Iowa after Hamas’s attack in October. She emphasized that blank-check endorsement of aid at a Republican debate in November, saying the United States should “support Israel with whatever they need, whenever they need it” and adding: “The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them.”

Vivek Ramaswamy:

He calls for prioritizing American interests, and he has suggested a path to phasing out U.S. aid to Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack in October, Vivek Ramaswamy said on X that other Republicans were reacting with “hysteria rather than rationality.” The United States “should provide Israel with diplomatic support, intelligence-sharing and necessary munitions to defend its own homeland, while taking special care to avoid a broader regional war in the Middle East that would not advance U.S. interests,” he wrote.


Chris Christie:

He called for “whatever it takes” to support Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said at a Republican debate in November that, if he were president, his message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel would be, “America is here, no matter what it is you need, at any time, to preserve the state of Israel.” At the next debate in December, he said he would send U.S. troops to Gaza to rescue American hostages if the military showed him a plan to get them out safely.


Asa Hutchinson:

He called support for Israel “a fundamental part of American culture” and signed a bill against boycotts.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Former Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas called the Hamas attack on Israel “symbolic of the times we find ourselves in with weak leadership in the White House.” He added: “We must stand with Israel. We must stand for freedom and democracy. We must stand to face evil head-on.”


Doug Burgum:

He wants “maximum political and military support” for Israel and signed a bill against boycotts.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Gov. Doug Burgum of North Dakota said on the campaign trail in New Hampshire that he would be willing to send U.S. troops to Israel to free hostages. He called the conflict in Israel a “proxy war” between the United States and Iran and, without evidence, linked Hamas’s attack to the Biden administration’s Iran policies.


Tim Scott:

He did not rule out sending troops to Israel.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina described Hamas’s attack in October as “an assault on Western civilization” and, like many Republicans, claimed falsely that President Biden had “funded” the attacks.


Mike Pence:

He sees Israel as the fulfillment of a prophecy and has called other Republicans insufficiently supportive.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR After the Hamas attack in October, former Vice President Mike Pence told CNN, “Israel has got to be given the support from the United States and countries around the world to crush Hamas.”


I encourage all those disaffected to send their money and support to Ramaswamy or Jill Stein.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:35 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I swear this is my last post on this:
I'll rate that as somewhere between 'slim chance' and 'fat chance.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:40 pm
@roger,
I fixed the first one. How about you stay off A2K until I post the next one?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:53 pm
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:55 pm
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jan, 2024 08:57 pm
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