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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:12 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Plus these:

https://www.nbcnews.com › news › world › us-rebuke-israel-west-bank-settlements-frustration-biden-palestinians-rcna76047
U.S. issues rare rebuke of Israel over West Bank settlements - NBC News
Mar 22, 2023March 22, 202302:51 The Palestinian Authority condemned the legal changes as a violation of international law and called on the Biden administration to do more to put pressure on Israel to halt...

https://www.reuters.com › world › middle-east › us-slams-israeli-ministers-statements-resettlement-palestinians-outside-gaza-2024-01-02
US slams Israeli ministers' statements on resettlement of Palestinians ...
4 days agoThe U.S. State Department on Tuesday slammed recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir that advocated for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza ...


https://www.commondreams.org › news › us-allows-un-security-council-denounce-israeli-settlements
For First Time in 6 Years, US Allows UN Security Council to Denounce ...
Feb 21, 2023Feb 21, 2023 The United Nations Security Council on Monday unanimously approved a formal statement expressing opposition to Israel's ongoing expansion of illegal settlements on Occupied Palestinian Territory, the first time in more than six years the United States has permitted the body to rebuke its close ally.

https://www.bloomberg.com › news › articles › 2023-03-21 › us-condemns-israel-over-reversal-on-west-bank-settlements-law
US Condemns Israel Over Reversal on West Bank Settlements Law
Mar 21, 2023March 21, 2023 at 2:14 PM PDT. Listen. 1:08. The Biden administration condemned an Israeli parliament vote repealing a 2005 law that barred settlers from parts of the West Bank, calling the move ...

https://www.aljazeera.com › news › 2023 › 3 › 21 › us-says-it-is-extremely-troubled-by-new-israeli-settlements-law
US says it is 'extremely troubled' by new Israeli settlements law
Mar 21, 202321 Mar 2023 Washington, DC - The United States has renewed its opposition to Israeli settlement policies, saying that Washington was "extremely troubled" by an Israeli law that paves the...

https://www.cbsnews.com › news › u-n-security-council-votes-14-0-to-condemn-israeli-settlement-construction
UN Security Council votes 14-0 to condemn Israeli settlement ...
The U.S., along with the Palestinians and nearly all of the international community, considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem obstacles to peace. Some 600,000 Israelis...

https://apnews.com › article › business-middle-east-jerusalem-israel-united-states-a6d7faba3f0fb6d40695729ec398dc21
Israel OKs some 3,000 new settler homes, despite U.S. rebuke
Published 11:26 AM PST, October 27, 2021 JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel approved about 3,000 new settler homes in the occupied West Bank on Wednesday, a day after the United States issued its strongest rebuke yet of such construction. It was the biggest announcement of settlement plans during the Biden administration.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:20 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It's a bit like saying that Goldfinger wasn't interested in America's gold reserves when he tried to contaminate them with nuclear waste.


Understanding, of course, Goldfinger is a fictional character acting on personal animus. The Iraq war was strictly politics and business by state policy acted bon by dismal people in the same league as Saddam Hussein.

Interesting read:

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq
History of the Jews in Iraq - Wikipedia
Immediately prior to the Gulf War, the U.S. State Department noted that there was no recent evidence of overt persecution of Jews, but travel, particularly to Israel, ... In 2020-2021, the Jewish population in Iraq was reported to be four. [better source needed] Among the American forces stationed in Iraq, there ...
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:27 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
https://www.whitehouse.gov › briefing-room › statements-releases › 2023 › 10 › 18 › u-s-announcement-of-humanitarian-assistance-to-the-palestinian-people

U.S. Announcement of Humanitarian Assistance to the Palestinian
Oct 18, 2023President Biden announced today that the United States is providing $100 million in humanitarian assistance for the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank. This funding will help support...

Right.

I guess your point is that if you feed the Gazans at the same time that you supply the means for a religious nut to murder them, that somehow absolves you of the crime of supporting war crimes.

Is that your point?

izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:38 am
@bobsal u1553115,
What was the result of all these "strong rebukes" from America?

Did they result in any change of behaviour on the part of the Israeli government?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:55 am
@izzythepush,
What was the effect of any other nations strong rebukes?
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:56 am
@hightor,
Quote:
So how would you like it if I posed a single question . . .

Well did it ever occur to you that the reason I keep asking whether or not you view Israel's slaughter of human beings as the war crime that it is is because you want to keep the answer to that particular question to yourself. Of course, that means that no one can know what you think.

Just tell me that you do not view Israel's murder of innocent Gazans as crimes against humanity, and I'll not ask you again.

Can you do at least that?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 07:56 am
@Glennn,
My point is you made a lot of contradictory and incorrect claims regarding US policy on Israel and the middle east.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 08:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
America is the only country giving Israel military aid.

It is the only country capable of reining in Israel.

As it is, those "serious rebukes" amounted to little more than hand wringing.
Glennn
 
  0  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 08:04 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Better questions are:

Why has Israel being stealing land from Palestine since they arrived in 1948?

Why have IDF soldiers been sniping, beating, killing, and incarcerating children in Gaza for the last 70 years?

Why did Biden give Israel white phosphorous to drop on Palestinians?

Why did Biden override Congress to give Israel more weapons to kill Palestinians with?

Why did Biden direct our UN rep to place what was the only vote stopping a ceasefire?

I guess their point is that, as long as the biden feeds the victims of the war crimes, it's perfectly acceptable to also supply the war criminals with the means to commit their crimes.
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Glennn
 
  0  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 08:21 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
What was the result of all these "strong rebukes" from America?

More dead dads, dead brothers, dead sisters, dead mothers, and dead babies; oh, and more weapons for the criminals accomplishing all of this death and destruction.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 08:58 am
@Glennn,
Seems as if you object to being made to answer a posed question in order to proceed in a dialogue, while expecting me to respond when it's you posing the question.

Quote:
Just tell me that you do not view Israel's murder of innocent Gazans as crimes against humanity, and I'll not ask you again.

Hey wait – previously you promised to "discuss solutions" if I answered your question and agreed with you. Now you offer me nothing if I disagree with you – what kind of deal is that? You couldn't just stop asking the question without me performing a kabuki dance?

Quote:
Of course, that means that no one can know what you think.

I don't believe anyone really cares what I think. You certainly don't, as I've offered to give you a "yes or no" answer to your question. All you need to do is answer a single question:

• Did Hamas organize and dispatch armed fighters (I won't use the freighted term, "terrorists") to cross a nation's border, enter its territory, and massacre (I won't use the freighted term "butcher") over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians – including women, children, and the elderly – and kidnap well over a hundred hostages – including women, children, and the elderly – and imprison them in Gaza, hidden in undisclosed bases in urban areas densely populated with civilians?

So maybe you feel that Hamas deserves to be treated with impunity? But we'll never know, I guess. Maybe you don't like being compelled to respond. Or maybe you're just afraid to answer.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:05 am
The Gradual Release Of Jan. 6 Footage Has The Far Right Raging At House Republicans And Speaker Mike Johnson

Quote:
On one of the internet’s main QAnon forums, Speaker Mike Johnson’s November decision to unveil tens of thousands of hours of security footage from the Jan. 6 attack was greeted with great fanfare. Johnson committed to publicly release the security tapes, which have been something of a holy grail for Capitol attack conspiracy theorists, soon after he took office. At the time, the new speaker framed it as the fulfillment of a “promise to the American people.”

However, in the weeks since, Johnson’s move has not lived up to the expectations of the far-right fringe. A fraction of the promised footage has been released and the slow pace has online conspiracy theorists and pro-Trump activists furious at Johnson and his GOP colleagues.

“Women For America First” co-founder Amy Kremer — who helped organize the Jan. 6 rally on the White House Ellipse where former President Trump spoke and urged the crowd to “fight like hell” as his supporters marched on the Capitol — took to the site formerly known as Twitter on Dec. 4 to write an angry note directed at Johnson.

“𝐉𝐀𝐍 𝟔 𝐓𝐀𝐏𝐄𝐒 𝐀𝐑𝐄 𝐁𝐄𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐒𝐋𝐎𝐖 𝐑𝐎𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐃,” Kremer wrote, adding, “𝐖𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬!!! 𝐖𝐇𝐘?!? I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to be quiet 𝐑𝐄𝐋𝐄𝐀𝐒𝐄 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐃𝐀𝐌𝐍 𝐓𝐀𝐏𝐄𝐒 𝐍𝐎𝐖!!!!”

Other right-wing activists including “DC Draino,” the conservative influencer who has been praised by Trump at rallies, have posted similar messages. Among them is Brandon Straka, a pro-Trump organizer who was sentenced to three years of probation in 2022 after admitting he used social media to encourage the crowds that stormed the Capitol, who has also used the site formerly known as Twitter to air his frustrations with Johnson and other Republicans.

“It’s been 41 days since @SpeakerJohnson promised to release ALL J6 footage to ALL Americans. On Nov. 17th, Speaker Johnson gave the public access to 90 videos- which probably accounts for less than 5% of the footage we still have not seen,” Straka wrote on Dec. 28. “Since then, I have put out dozens of tweets asking Speaker Johnson when the public will get this footage. No answer. No update. No explanation. Why will no elected Republicans give us access to this footage?

Spokespeople for Johnson did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The focus on the U.S. Capitol Police security videos comes after years of efforts by Trump and others on the right to deny the violence of Jan. 6 and blame it on others. Almost immediately after the violence broke out, Trump’s allies (including Republican members of Congress) began grasping for evidence that the attack was something other than the pro-Trump riot it so obviously was. Despite the mountains of proof Trump’s supporters were behind the violence, many on the right sought to blame everyone, from “antifa” to federal law enforcement. Amidst this push, the conspiracy theorists held out hope their hunches could be proved correct by the security footage.

In a statement to TPM, Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-GA), who is chairman of the House Administration subcommittee that began releasing the footage after Johnson’s announcement, suggested the videos could paint a better picture of what happened on Jan. 6 than the Democratic-led Jan. 6 committee that conducted an investigation into the attack from 2021 until 2022.

“The American People deserve to know the truth about January 6th,” Loudermilk said. “The USCP CCTV footage we’ve released so far has given the American people the opportunity to see the full story of what really happened that day, instead of the cherry-picked narrative sold by the former Select Committee.”

Perhaps nowhere had the excitement for the tapes — and the anger over their slow-moving release — been greater than on the QAnon-friendly forum 8kun. A few days after Johnson announced the plan to post almost all of the 44,000 hours of Jan. 6 security footage from the Capitol, members of the anonymous forum’s “Qresearch” board created a thread dedicated to parsing the clips. The user who wrote the first post declared that they were “calling all digital soldiers, online sleuths, [and] keyboard warriors” to review the footage.

“ALL HANDS NEEDED!” they wrote.

8kun is an imageboard, a website where users can post content anonymously. The best known imageboard, 4chan, made headlines in the past decade as a haven for conspiracy theories, far-right politics, and extreme content including gore and sexual images. In 2013, a 4chan user named Frederick Brennan founded 8chan, which he envisioned as an imageboard that would have even less censorship than its predecessor. That twisted dream came true, and 8chan ultimately played host to so much child pornography that it was removed from Google search results in 2015. The board went completely offline for three months in 2019 — technological service providers refused to work with it after multiple mass shooters involved in attacks that targeted minorities and Jews were believed to have posted manifestos announcing their crimes on the site. 8chan subsequently re-emerged in November 2019 with a Russian hosting company and a new name, 8kun.

Imageboards played a key role in the spread of QAnon, a paranoid conspiracy theory based on the idea that a high-level source inside the government was working to help former President Trump expose and take down a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who, the theory contends, have substantial control over the worlds of government, media, and finance. The fever dream began on 4chan in October 2017 with the first posts from “Q.” These “Q Drops” ultimately migrated to 8chan and then to 8kun where there is a dedicated “QResearch” board that ultimately played host to the thread dedicated to Jan. 6 footage. Due to the extreme and often illegal nature of the content on the site, TPM will not be linking to it directly.

The Capitol attack footage has been long-sought by online conspiracy theorists and especially by QAnon devotees, who had a visible presence in the crowds of Trump supporters that stormed the Capitol to prevent the certification of his loss in the 2020 election. But those on the internet fringe aren’t the only ones who have latched on to the idea the security videos could somehow exonerate Trump and his supporters for their role in the Jan. 6 attack. Republican elected officials, Trump, and right-wing media have all promoted claims that public release of the footage would somehow change the narrative.

Democrats, on the other hand, have slammed Republican efforts to release the footage and cast them as both a security risk and fuel for conspiracy theories about the Capitol attack. Rep. Norma Torres (D-CA), the ranking Democrat on the House Administration subcommittee — called the move “irresponsible and dangerous” in a scathing statement.

“Speaker Johnson may want to erase the facts of an attempted coup and undo the bipartisan investigation of the Jan. 6 Committee, but he can never alter the facts,” Torres said. “Instead, his actions are putting members of Congress, staff, the press and all visitors to the Capitol at risk and further delegitimizing the integrity of this institution.”

Johnson’s predecessor, Kevin McCarthy, gave one of the most prominent Jan. 6 denialists, former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, access to over 40,000 hours of the videos for his show last year. Carlson, who has since been fired from Fox, had previously used his platform to promote the idea that Jan. 6 was largely peaceful and that law enforcement riled up the crowd in an effort to launch a “purge” of the right wing. After receiving footage from McCarthy, Carlson focused on selectively airing clips that painted the people who broke into the building as non-violent. Carlson’s broadcast drew praise from former President Trump and prompted at least one January 6 defendant to try to get his sentence thrown out. As the federal judge in that case observed, the Carlson broadcast was “replete with misstatements and misrepresentations” that were “too numerous to count.” In the face of hours of videos that show the violence and vandalism perpetrated by the crowds, the peaceful protest narrative barely held water.

Though Carlson and his producers were unable to find any bombshells in the Jan. 6 clips, the users of 8kun still had hope following Johnson’s vow to make the footage available to the broader public. One forum user helped make an app designed to allow people to download the clips.

“Hoping this thread gets some action,” the user said, before adding an abbreviation of the QAnon slogan, “Where We Go One We Go All.”

Yet, in the weeks since Johnson’s announcement, the would-be detectives of 8kun have become increasingly frustrated. A CBS News analysis published last month revealed that just approximately 0.4 percent of the 44,000 hours of promised footage has been uploaded.

With the rollout inching along, the 8kun thread where conspiracy theorists planned to scour the footage has devolved into infighting and the abusive pornography for which the site is known. Users suggested that antifa had infiltrated the board, and the original poster of the thread began clashing with the leader of the “QResearch” board before announcing they were “giving up on” the Jan. 6 footage hunt due to the drama and lack of investigative activity.

“I come back two weeks later and there’s no research or review besides regurgitate news articles,” the user said.

While the QAnon devotees have predictably paranoid concerns about the lack of new videos, there are several technical and logistical challenges related to the release. Firstly, there is the sheer volume of the footage. The over 40,000 hours of video needs to be reviewed because Johnson said he wanted to blur the faces of the people who stormed into the Capitol. While the speaker initially attributed that to a desire to prevent them from being “retaliated against” or “charged” by the Justice Department, a spokesperson subsequently clarified and said the blurring was to “prevent all forms of retaliation against private citizens from any non-governmental actors.” An aide to the House subcommittee that has been publishing the footage told TPM that further releases are planned as they deal with necessary security precautions.

The clips that have been released are being hosted on the video site Rumble, which has a strong following among conservatives and on the far right. Along with the issues related to blurring the clips, before they can be uploaded on Rumble, the file format must be converted.

A Democratic aide on the House Administration committee suggested the footage rollout was always destined for trouble.

“None of this shocks us. This entire process has been inconsistent, scattershot, and poorly thought out,” said the aide, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter, “Whether that’s willful or not I don’t know but we are not surprised they are having difficulties.”

Along with rank and file online conspiracy theorists, the lack of Jan. 6 footage attracted the ire of one of the most prominent QAnon promoters, Ron Watkins, whose father is the current owner and administrator of 8kun. Watkins and his father have been identified by linguistic scientists as the likely authors of some of the original “Q” posts. On Dec. 28, Watkins tagged Johnson on the site formerly known as Twitter and complained about the video rollout.

“There are still thousands of hours of J6 footage that has not been released. Will we be getting access to this before year end?” Watkins asked.

While Watkins and his father have denied playing a role in the creation of the “Q” persona, they have reveled in their fringe infamy. In 2022, Watkins made a failed attempt to win an Arizona House seat as a Republican.

Watkins’ shot at Johnson came as he is trying to regain his political footing and plot his next move. Early last month, Watkins made a post on the encrypted app Telegram that included a personal admission and a vow that his unique brand of activism will continue.

“Since I lost my election, I’ve been in something of a rut,” Watkins wrote. “Am currently working on a new project that I am planning to announce soon. … We will take control of our country back.”

tpm
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:13 am
@izzythepush,
https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2023 › dec › 06 › uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-over-arms-exports-to-israel
UK government faces legal challenge over arms exports to Israel
Dec 6, 2023The Palestinian human rights organisation Al-Haq and the UK-based Global Legal Action Network (Glan) have applied for a judicial review of the government's export licences for the sale of British...


https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk › research-briefings › cdp-2023-0223
Arms export licences for sales to Israel - House of Commons Library
Dec 7, 2023The UK has licenced arms worth over £442 million to Israel between May 2015 and August 2022, according to analysis of Government export data by the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), a UK based pressure group that seeks an end to the global arms trade.
https://www.hrw.org › news › 2023 › 12 › 12 › selling-weapons-israel-could-make-uk-complicit-war-crimes
Selling Weapons to Israel Could Make UK Complicit in War Crimes
Dec 13, 2023Since 2015, the UK has licensed at least £474 million worth of military exports to Israel, including components for combat aircrafts, missiles, tanks, technology, small arms and ammunition....


https://www.middleeasteye.net › news › israel-palestine-which-countries-companies-arming
Arms trade: Which countries and companies are selling weapons to Israel ...
It's harder to track arms that have actually been delivered, but between 2013-2017, the US delivered $4.9bn (£3.3bn) in arms to Israel, according to the UK-based Campaign Against the Arms...
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:18 am
@hightor,
Quote:
This is also true. The two statements are not mutually exclusive. It's not as if the US wanted to get its hands specifically on the oil produced in Iraq. It wanted more stability in the world supply and it wanted a stable market in which to sell its own petroleum at a steady profitable level.

Yes. To posit the matter as an either/or proposition is the mistake here.

Some of us will remember this 2007 story
Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Clarifying a controversial comment in his new memoir, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he told the White House before the Iraq war that removing Saddam Hussein was "essential" to secure world oil supplies, according to an interview published on Monday.

Greenspan, who wrote in his memoir that "the Iraq War is largely about oil," said in a Washington Post interview that while securing global oil supplies was "not the administration's motive," he had presented the White House before the 2003 invasion with the case for why removing the then-Iraqi leader was important for the global economy.

"I was not saying that that's the administration's motive," Greenspan said in the interview conducted on Saturday. "I'm just saying that if somebody asked me, 'Are we fortunate in taking out Saddam?' I would say it was essential."

In his new book "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World," Greenspan wrote: "I'm saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil."

"I think that it's really about stability in the Gulf. It's about rogue regimes trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. It's about aggressive dictators," Gates said...


That "clarification" came within 24 to 48 hours after the excerpt (bolded above) hit the news. It seemed obvious or at least very likely at the time that the Bush administration was unhappy with Greenspan's framing and immediately set to counter it. But that is not necessarily because they didn't want the "truth" to be known. Rather that they wished to present (to US citizens and the world) the idea that the motivations for the attack as other than, or broader than, or more complicated than a resource grab. And knowing what we knew even then of the goals of the PNAC, that seems the case.

blatham
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:34 am
I'd be delighted if the folks here bent on discussing the Israel/Palestine issue were to move their discussion to a thread on that specific topic. There are rather a lot of other important issues at stake right now.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:54 am
@bobsal u1553115,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Israel_relations#1940s%E2%80%931960s

2020s
French President Emmanuel Macron with Israeli President Isaac Herzog, 2022

As Turkish–French rift increased following French President Emmanuel Macron's criticism of Islamist terrorism, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan had compared the treatment of Muslims in Europe similar to Nazi treatment on Jews in World War II. This statement was condemned in Israel, who pointed out the Turkish government's absence on voicing solidarity following the murder of French teacher Samuel Paty, as well as accusing Turkish government of hyping the situation and signal the differences between Nazi policy in World War II and French struggle against Islamic extremism.[26] Israel and France, along with Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Greece, Cyprus and Egypt, have also recently worked together against Turkey in various fronts, from the Kurdish question in Syria to the conflicts in Libya and Syria.[27][28][29]

In 2020, Macron gave a statement stating that anti-Zionism was a form of anti-Semitism, elaborating that it "doesn’t mean it becomes impossible to have disagreements, to criticize this or that action by the Israeli government, but negating its existence today is clearly a contemporary form of anti-Semitism".[30]

In October 2023, French President Macron condemned Hamas' actions during the Israel–Hamas war and expressed his support to Israel and its right to self-defense.[31][32]
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:58 am
https://www.ft.com › content › 1a09622b-91cf-4527-a887-f8f328bd7cad
German arms exports to Israel surge as Berlin backs campaign against Hamas
Defence sales worth €300mn this year is 10-fold rise on 2022, with most licences approved after October 7 attack. ... German arms exports to Israel have surged in the past month, as Berlin steps ...

https://www.reuters.com › world › europe › german-military-exports-israel-up-nearly-10-fold-berlin-fast-tracks-permits-2023-11-08
German military exports to Israel up nearly 10-fold as Berlin fast ...
As of Nov. 2, the German government has approved the export of close to 303 million euros' ($323 million) worth of defence equipment to Israel. By comparison, 32 million euros' worth of defence ...

https://www.aljazeera.com › news › 2023 › 9 › 28 › germany-israel-sign-historic-3-5bn-missile-shield-deal
Germany, Israel sign 'historic' $3.5bn missile shield deal
Worth about $3.5bn (3.3 billion euros), the sale is the biggest ever deal for Israel's military industry. The Arrow 3 system would make "German air defence ready for the future", Pistorius said.

https://www.euronews.com › 2023 › 08 › 17 › germany-signs-35-billion-deal-to-buy-weapons-from-israel
Germany signs €3.5 billion deal to buy weapons from Israel
The deal, worth $3.5 billion (€3.2), was only concluded after receiving US approval, according to the announcement by Israel's Defence Ministry on Thursday, since the missile defence system was ...
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:58 am
@blatham,
Quote:
That "clarification" came within 24 to 48 hours after the excerpt (bolded above) hit the news.

I remember Wolfowitz telling a select audience that the "oil would pay for the war" in an understated manner, like an afterthought, mere serendipity. I think the war cost two trillion dollars.

Quote:
I'd be delighted if the folks here bent on discussing the Israel/Palestine issue were to move their discussion to a thread on that specific topic. There are rather a lot of other important issues at stake right now.


That's a reasonable idea. The discussion has become bogged down in personal disputes because the situation offers so little chance of a just, workable, and productive conclusion. I looked for an already existing thread that might be suitable and found this one from fourteen years ago:

Israel Shells U.N. Building in Gaza and Media Center -- Charged With Using White Phosphorus

Why is this not surprising?
Glennn
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 09:59 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Seems as if you object to being made to answer a posed question in order to proceed in a dialogue, while expecting me to respond when it's you posing the question.

It's over, hightor. You refuse to call Israel's war crimes against innocent human beings a war crime. That's the result of our discussion. That's the takeaway from your posts. And in order to keep your opinion concerning Israel's war crimes secret, you come up with childish reasons for not answering, like: "You answer my question first."

The answer, of course, is that biden needs to stop committing war crimes against the innocent human beings in Gaza. Your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge even that, which tells me that you're not open to a solution.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2024 10:01 am
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com › 20230822-netherlands-signs-55m-deal-for-arms-from-israels-elbit-systems
Netherlands signs $55m deal for arms from Israel's Elbit Systems
Aug 22, 2023Israel and the Netherlands signed a four-year arms deal worth $55 million, Israel's Defence Ministry announced yesterday. Israel's Elbit Systems, a company which sells weapons to the...


Buying arms supports Israel, too.
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