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Why not just at least allow them to leave?

Maybe because there's no destination that will accept them. Neither Egypt nor Jordan will allow millions of Palestinians across their borders. That's why many people had been pushing for a Palestinian state for so long and why it was such a mistake for Israel to colonize the West Bank and let Hamas assume control of Gaza.

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@hightor,

1. I believe Joe Biden has a very good record to run on.
2. And the Democratic party as a whole has a good record to run on.
3. Also, I believe that the (fear) of Trump winning will work in Joe Biden favor.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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You're making sense on this specific topic, at any rate.

It's good to see you're paying attention in this thread, anyway.

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@Glennn,

Cheese. Compliment and upvote someone and they get pissy.

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@hightor,

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it was such a mistake for Israel to colonize the West Bank . . .

It was also a war crime. Moreover, it was , and still is, such a mistake for the U.S. to pathologically vote in favor of those war crimes at UN Security Council votes.

And it seems that biden's only concern about the current war crime is what it will do to Israel's image.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Cheese. Compliment and upvote someone and they get pissy.

I was just offering you a backhanded compliment like the one you offered me.

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@Glennn,

I upvoted all your posts on this thread: that's the difference. I followed through, you just snarked.

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@Glennn,

You sound as if you expect nation states to consistently act in an ethical and moral manner. That's never been the case. It's difficult for individuals to operate that way. It's nearly impossible for societies. Countries can vote to condemn particular atrocities as "war crimes" and "genocide" while being guilty of similar crimes themselves.

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One thing that struck me about A2K was that those individuals who would castigate me for the horrors of the British Empire were the same people who would use the same horrors to justify American atrocities in Vietnam and Iraq.

You can't have it both ways either you really want to move forward away from torture, war crimes and illegal detention or you just shrug your shoulders and say that's how it is.

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Trump, at a rally in New Hampshire yesterday, spoke about immigrants...

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“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done,” Trump told the crowd.

“They poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America … but all over the world.

“They’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world.”

What do we want?
WHITE RACIAL PURITY!
When do we want it?
NOW!

And it's not just the Mexican wetbacks. No way, Jose! This blood poisoning polluting our great nation is also coming from the squat Aztec types and from shithole Africa and those tiny skulking slant-eyed Asian creatures and eskimos with blubber running down their ugly faces and other such vermin.

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@hightor,

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You sound as if you expect nation states to consistently act in an ethical and moral manner.

No. I expect the U.S. to stop backing Israeli war crimes and labeling everyone who points it out as an antisemite. It's one thing for the U.S. to give a nod to Israel's war crimes, but they also supply the necessary destructive means to commit those war crimes.

I'm always going to speak up against "democracies" that imprison children for throwing stones, and then abuse the hell out of them while they're in their custody.

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@izzythepush,

Crazy. I do not get it. All these morons one generation away from WWII want to elect what we spent over a quarter of a million war dead to eliminate.

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_military_casualties_of_war
United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia
da.^ World War II Note: as of March 31, 1946, there were an estimated 286,959 dead of whom 246,492 were identified; of 40,467 who were unidentified 18,641 were located {10,986 reposed in military cemeteries and 7,655 in isolated graves} and 21,826 were reported not located.

And how worked up they get over the Hamas attack. I believe the kill ratio in Israel/Gaza is 18:1, the IDF's favor.

Crazy.

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@Glennn,

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I expect the U.S. to stop backing Israeli war crimes and labeling everyone who points it out as an antisemite.

Again, your expectations are somewhat higher than experience would indicate as being likely. As far as the charges of anti-Semitism go, are they officially being made by the State Department or are they statements by individuals? And is it possible that some critics of Israel really are anti-Semites and are using this situation as cover for their bigotry? Maybe those are the people being chastised – an "if the shoe fits" general charge which is only applicable to some people.

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I'm always going to speak up against "democracies" that imprison children for throwing stones, and then abuse the hell out of them while they're in their custody.

That's admirable. It's also about as effective as down-voting posts on message boards. I've criticized many instances of injustice but I don't actually expect such political speech to be effective until underlying conditions actually favor a change in behavior.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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I believe the kill ratio in Israel/Gaza is 18:1, the IDF's favor.

I actually dug in on this question of Palestinian deaths/Israeli deaths from conflict about 20 years ago. I'm working from memory now but as I recall, a ratio quite close to what you state was the case at that point in time as well.

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@Glennn,

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I'm always going to speak up against "democracies" that imprison children for throwing stones, and then abuse the hell out of them while they're in their custody.

I think that children (anyone below the age of 14) generally don't have the age of criminal responsibility, neither in democracies or "democracies".
No children should be imprisoned, anywhere.

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@hightor,

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Again, your expectations are somewhat higher than experience would indicate as being likely.

Not talking about what is likely. I'm talking about the dysfunctional relationship between the U.S. and Israel.

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As far as the charges of anti-Semitism go, are they officially being made by the State Department or are they statements by individuals?

Students were protesting a war crime being committed against the people of Palestine. That complaint was determined to be of antisemitc nature; the media supported that determination. I saw news programs showing students holding signs that expressed their disapproval of genocide while news anchors informed us that the biden administration wants universities to do something about the rising tide of antisemitism. Rising tide of antisemitism that just happened to have coincided with war crimes being committed against the Palestinians. Sure. Coincidence.

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I don't actually expect such political speech to be effective until underlying conditions actually favor a change in behavior.

And what underlying conditions need to be addressed regarding the U.S.'s willful blindness to a war crime? What underlies that robotic veto of theirs?

If biden identifies as a zionist, does that indicate a duel loyalty on his part?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Carve it in stone: children belong in prison nowhere!!

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@blatham,

In terms of killing children it is much worse. MUCH worse according to the UN.

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