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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 05:23 am
@Bogulum,
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Politics IS that systematic twisting and watering down.

Exactly. But, as much as I'd like to see it, I can't really imagine an alternative. There will always be deals and compromises, lies and smokescreens, especially in a government as large as ours, hobbled by tradition and beholden to both a fickle electorate and to corporate interests.

I don't consider Golden's turnaround as an example of political "courage", though. I just think that, on a personal level, it takes guts to publicly admit one was wrong. I've seen it occur on this site a few times and I always find it admirable and refreshing.
Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 05:38 am
@hightor,
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...as much as I'd like to see it, I can't really imagine an alternative.


I shared some of this with you in a DM.

I think that difficulty in imagining a better way of doing things is precisely a desired outcome of the right wing echo chamber. "Government is the enemy, and needs to be reduced to a size that can be drowned in a tub." They do everything in their power to make us lose belief in our ability to change big things.

I don't think government has to be this smarmy and greasy. For one thing, I think Gen Z is ready to put boots on the ground, and line up to vote in ways that can serve to restore hope.

And there are other things. But basically, I just don't want things like Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert setting the standard of what is and is not possible in our leadership.



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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 06:52 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Politics IS that systematic twisting and watering down.


Politics isn't about twisting and watering down. It's about finding consensus. If consensus building becomes only about one voice no matter what - then the watering down and twisting begins. The trick with consensus is keeping it from becoming lowest common denominator.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 06:54 am
@hightor,
https://i.imgur.com/R2xBOwU.jpeg
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 08:28 am
@Bogulum,
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A "Jew coup"...
catchy. Shocked

I know Evangelicals down south who are presently expressing serious hatred towards Palestinians and who will surely excuse anything that Netanyahu's government does in Gaza and the West Bank but who also are convinced that many of the evils in the world are the result of a conspiracy of Jewish bankers.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 09:42 am
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 11:20 am
@tsarstepan,
RE Mike Johnson... Talking Points Memo has a good compilation of reporting on this far right Christian Nationalist
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 11:43 am
@blatham,
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I know Evangelicals down south who are presently expressing serious hatred towards Palestinians and who will surely excuse anything that Netanyahu's government does in Gaza and the West Bank but who also are convinced that many of the evils in the world are the result of a conspiracy of Jewish bankers.

It's like everyone has contradictions, reservations, or dysphoria concerning this conflict.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 02:07 pm
@hightor,
There's no contradiction. Israel is how America projects its power in the ME.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 03:00 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:

I know Evangelicals down south who are presently expressing serious hatred towards Palestinians and who will surely excuse anything that Netanyahu's government does in Gaza and the West Bank but who also are convinced that many of the evils in the world are the result of a conspiracy of Jewish bankers.

It's like everyone has contradictions, reservations, or dysphoria concerning this conflict.

It's well known that Evangelicals "NEED" an Israeli state in order to bring around their biblical apocalypse. AKA the Second Coming of Christ. That need isn't the same thing as refuting their most virulent, violent anti-Semitic ... umm... sensibilities.

But on the other hand, please refrain from turning this current news/politics thread into a philosophy one. A new thread on the basis of ... I'm not going to pull punches... level of evil hipocrisy that's the far right Republicans and their anti-Semetic foreign policies more appropriate for the digression.
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Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2023 03:23 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

There's no contradiction. Israel is how America projects its power in the ME.


Y'know Izzy, this thing between Israel and Palestine really does cause people to have contradicting ideas within themselves. It is NOT so cut and dried that it's easy to just choose one side and cast stones at the other. There are innocent Israeli children dead, and innocent Palestinian children dead. Hamas is a terrorist organization, AND Israel has maintained Palestine in an apartheid state. BOTH THINGS ARE TRUE.

If you had to solve this situation, what would YOU do?


izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 01:42 am
@Bogulum,
Stop giving **** tons of money to the I D F.

Insist on a serious 2 state solution.

Stop vetoing UN resolutions condemning Israel

It really is that straightforward

America has backed the persecution of the Palestinians from the off.

We all remember Bush boasting about crusades before launching an illegal invasion of Iraq that resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Bogulum
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 02:44 am
@izzythepush,
Do you blame all of us for what Biden does?
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 04:23 am
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An article this morning jumped out at me. Catherine Rampell of the Washington Post noted that the U.S. economy “looks remarkably good.” A recent stunning jobs report, showing that the economy continues to add jobs at record rates—more than 13.9 million since President Joe Biden took office—along with yesterday’s stunning report that U.S. economic growth grew at an annual pace of 4.9% in the third quarter of this year, puts the U.S. economy at the forefront of most of the world. And inflation is back in the range that the Federal Reserve prefers—it’s at 2.4%, close to the Fed’s target of 2%.

The U.S. is outperforming forecasts made even before the pandemic began for where the economy would be now, even as other countries are worse off.

And yet, Rampell notes, Americans are about as negative about the economy today as they were during the Great Recession after 2008, when mortgage foreclosures were forcing people out of their homes and unemployment rested at about 9%, more than twice what it is today. In contrast, consumers give high marks to the Trump years, when average growth before the pandemic was 2.5% and the U.S. added only about 6.4 million jobs.

There is a crucial divorce here between image and reality. Americans think our economy, currently the strongest in the world, is in poor shape. They mistakenly believe it was better under Trump.

That profound and measurable disjunction ought to make us sit up and take notice, especially as the Biden administration continues to try to make the economy responsive to ordinary Americans and the country continues to pay little attention. Today, for example, the White House announced an effort to turn the dual problems of empty office buildings and a shortage of affordable housing into a win-win. It announced a series of actions to convert vacant commercial properties to residential buildings. Their efforts are designed to create affordable, energy-efficient housing near public transportation and jobs.

The importance of identifying the contrast between image and reality in today’s politics showed recently as the meticulous work of Nashville investigative reporter Phil Williams of Tennessee’s NewsChannel 5 appears to have had an important effect on the mayoral election in Franklin, Tennessee.

While far-right Christian nationalist mayoral candidate Alderman Gabrielle Hanson promised she was “committed to restoring and upholding the wholesome values that have long been the foundation of our city’s identity,” Williams exposed to voters Hanson’s shady history. He showed that Hanson had lied about having multiracial supporters and her ties to white supremacists, highlighted her bizarre behavior, and noted her embrace of Christian nationalism.

On Tuesday, voters overwhelmingly rejected Hanson and other far-right candidates. Hanson won just 20.6% of the vote to 79.4% for the incumbent mayor. Then, after losing, Hanson apparently had her husband drop off her computer and ID badge at City Hall, abandoning her term as alderman before its November 14th end.

Such deep investigation stands out in an increasingly turbulent sea of disinformation. Shayan Sardarizadeh of the BBC explained to Hanaa’ Tameez of Neiman Journalism Lab that social media posters on platforms like TikTok, YouTube, or Twitter can make significant sums of money from “engagement farming.” Posting outrageous material that engages viewers pumps up a user’s brand, making them able to command high prices from marketers.

Sardarizadeh notes that the Israel-Hamas war is a particularly attractive situation for engagement farmers, and rumors and fake videos are flying.

But there are plenty of opportunities for disinformation at home, too, for political purposes. In Ohio, the Republican-controlled Ohio Senate is using its official government website to push what Associate Press legal and medical experts say is “false or misleading” information against the proposed constitutional amendment the state’s voters will consider in the November 7 election. Their inflammatory language warns, for example, that the measure will “legalize abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy” and permit “the dismemberment of fully conscious children,” the rhetoric of anti-abortion activists.

Julie Carr Smyth and Christine Fernando of the Associated Press report that Republicans began their “On the Record” blog on the state Senate website after Ohio voters rejected their attempts to make it much harder to pass constitutional amendments. The Republicans bill the blog as an “online newsroom” where voters can find “the views the news excludes.” Republican Senate president Matt Huffman denied that the blog was a news service, but it sits under the “News” tab on the Senate’s website.

“My [Republican] colleagues say that this is done because the mainstream media won’t print their stuff,” Democratic state senator Bill DeMora told the reporters. “But of course, the mainstream media won’t pick this up because it’s factually incorrect and basically lies.”

But because the blog appears on an official government website, internet searches turn it up as a reliable source. Laura Manley, executive director of the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, told Smyth and Fernando: “It’s a really strategic way to make something appear to be neutral information and fact when that’s not the reality…. I’ve never seen anything like that.”

Finally, after a two-day manhunt, law enforcement officers found Maine mass murder suspect Robert Card dead tonight from a self-inflicted gunshot. Reports suggest that Card had at least a recent history of mental illness and note that his social media accounts show a history of engagement with right-wing and Republican political content.

hcr
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 07:50 am
@hightor,
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It's like everyone has contradictions, reservations, or dysphoria concerning this conflict.

Ain't that so (and often for good reasons). But the cats I'm speaking of are particularly incoherent. They tend to hold that the Palestinians are totally wrong/evil, illegitimate squatters and not a real people at all while Israel is not just right in this conflict (legally and morally) but that Jews are sacred inhabitants of land given them, and only them, by God. And though they seldom come right out and say it in this context, they eagerly anticipate and welcome a worldwide conflagration beginning in this region that will usher in the End Times where anyone not a Christian (including all Jews) will burn in hellfire for eternity. And of course, they don't really trust Jews, eg banker conspiracy, Hollywood Jews, etc.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 10:55 am
@blatham,
What I want to know is how Tulsi Gabbard sees the situation.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 02:11 pm
@hightor,
That would bring the sort of historical and moral clarity so sadly missing at present.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2023 02:23 pm
This guy is a movement conservativism cartoon character.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9hIEQJbYAAin-9?format=jpg&name=medium
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2023 06:23 am
Joe Biden Knows What It Actually Means to Be President

David French wrote:
There’s a gathering sense that President Biden’s response to the war in Gaza may cost him the 2024 election. A recent Gallup poll showed that his support among Democrats has slipped 11 points in the past month to 75 percent, the lowest of his presidency. On Friday my colleagues in the newsroom reported on a growing backlash against Biden coming from young and left-leaning voters.

Does this mean that standing with Israel could be politically fatal for Biden? I don’t think so, and to understand why, it’s important to understand the core responsibilities of an American president.

In 2012, when I was a partisan supporter of Mitt Romney, there was one message from President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign that I thought made the most succinct and persuasive case for his second term. It was delivered most memorably by then-Vice President Biden, of all people, at the 2012 Democratic National Convention. He said that Obama had “courage in his soul, compassion in his heart and a spine of steel,” and then Biden delivered the key line: “Osama bin Laden is dead, and General Motors is alive.”

While I believed that Romney would do a better job as president than Obama, that sentence affected me so much — not just because it happened to be true but also because it resonated with two of a president’s most vital tasks: preserving prosperity at home and security abroad. A war-weary nation longed for a clear win, and a people still recovering from the Great Recession needed economic stability. The killing of bin Laden was the greatest victory of the war on terrorism, and the preservation of General Motors, an iconic American company, resonated as a national symbol as important as or more important than the number of jobs saved.

Now fast-forward to August 2024, when Biden will speak on his own behalf in Chicago at the next Democratic convention. Will he be able to tell the American people that he did his job? Will he be able to make that claim in the face of international crises more consequential than anything either Obama or Donald Trump faced during their presidencies?

Consider what he confronts: a brutal Russian assault on a liberal democracy in Europe, the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and an aggressive China that is gaining military strength and threatens Taiwan. That’s two hot wars and a new cold war, each against a nation or entity that forsakes any meaningful moral norms, violates international law and commits crimes against humanity.

In each conflict abroad — hot or cold — America is indispensable to the defense of democracy and basic humanity. Ukraine cannot withstand a yearslong Russian onslaught unless the United States acts as the arsenal of democracy, keeping the Ukrainian military supplied with the weapons and munitions it needs. America is Israel’s indispensable ally and close military partner. It depends on our aid and — just as important — our good will for much of its strength and security. And Taiwan is a target of opportunity for China absent the might of the United States Pacific Fleet.

And keep in mind, Biden is managing these conflicts all while trying to make sure that the nation emerges from a pandemic with inflation in retreat and its economy intact. In spite of economic growth and low unemployment numbers that make the American economy the envy of the world, Americans are still dealing with the consequences of inflation and certainly don’t feel optimistic about our economic future.

Biden is now under fire from two sides, making these challenges even more difficult. The populist, Trumpist right threatens his ability to fund Ukraine, hoping to engineer a cutoff in aid that could well lead to the greatest victory for European autocrats since Hitler and then Stalin swallowed European democracies whole in their quest for power and control.

At the same time, progressives calling for a cease-fire in Gaza threaten to hand Hamas the greatest victory of its existence. If Hamas can wound Israel so deeply and yet live to fight again, it will have accomplished what ISIS could not — commit acts of the most brutal terror and then survive as an intact organization against a military that possesses the power to crush it outright. I agree with Dennis Ross, a former U.S. envoy to the Middle East: Any outcome that leaves Hamas in control in Gaza “will doom not just Gaza but also much of the rest of the Middle East.”

And hovering, just outside the frame, is China, watching carefully and measuring our will.

I understand both the good-faith right-wing objections to Ukraine aid and the good-faith progressive calls for a cease-fire in Israel. Ukraine needs an extraordinary amount of American support for a war that has no end in sight. It’s much easier to rally the West when Ukraine is on the advance. It’s much harder to sustain American support in the face of grinding trench warfare, the kind of warfare that consumes men and material at a terrifying pace.

I also understand that it is hard to watch a large-scale bombing campaign in Gaza that kills civilians, no matter the precision of each individual strike. Much like ISIS in Mosul, Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population. It is impossible to defeat Hamas without harming civilians, and each new civilian death is a profound tragedy, one that unfolds in front of a watching world. It’s a testament to our shared humanity that one of our first instincts when we see such violence is to say, “Please, just stop.”

This instinct is magnified when the combination of the fog of war and Hamas disinformation can cause exaggerated or even outright false claims of Israeli atrocities to race across the nation and the world before the full truth is known. The sheer scale of the Israeli response is difficult to grasp, and there is no way for decent people to see the death and destruction and not feel anguish for the plight of the innocent.

The combination of tragedy, confusion and cost is what makes leadership so difficult. A good leader can’t overreact to any given news cycle. He or she can’t overreact to any specific report from the battlefield. And a good leader certainly can’t overreact to a negative poll.

I’ve long thought that politicians’ moment-by-moment reaction to activists, to members of the media and to polls is partly responsible for the decline in trust in American politicians. What can feel responsive in the moment is evidence of instability in the aggregate. The desperate desire to win each and every news cycle leads to short-term thinking. Politicians put out fires they see on social media, or they change course in response to anger coming from activists. Activists and critics in the media see an outrage and demand an immediate response, but what the body politic really needs is a thoughtful, deliberate strategy and the resolve to see it through.

No administration is perfect. Americans should object, for example, to the slow pace of approving each new weapons system for Ukraine. But in each key theater, Biden’s policies are fundamentally sound. We should support Ukraine as long as it’s necessary to preserve Ukrainian independence from Russian assault. We should stand by Israel as it responds to mass murder, including by supporting a lawful offensive into the heart of Gaza. And we should continue to strengthen alliances in the Pacific to enhance our allies’ military capabilities and share the burden of collective defense.

And we should do these things while articulating a moral vision that sustains our actions. On Thursday, John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communication, did just that. First, in an interview on “Morning Joe,” he described the efforts to aid Gazan civilians — a humanitarian and legal imperative. He made it clear that the United States is working to preserve civilian life, as it should.

Later on Thursday, he also provided a wider moral context. Asked at a news conference about Biden’s observation that innocents will continue to die as Israel presses its attacks, Kirby responded with facts we cannot forget: “What’s harsh is the way Hamas is using people as human shields. What’s harsh is taking a couple of hundred hostages and leaving families anxious, waiting and worrying to figure out where their loved ones are. What’s harsh is dropping in on a music festival and slaughtering a bunch of young people just trying to enjoy an afternoon.”

By word and deed, the Biden administration is getting the moral equation correct. There should be greater pressure on Hamas to release hostages and relinquish control of Gaza than there should be pressure on Israel to stop its offensive. Hamas had no legal or moral right to launch its deliberate attack on Israeli civilians. It has no legal or moral right to embed itself in the civilian population to hide from Israeli attacks. Israel, by contrast, has every right to destroy Hamas in a manner consistent with the laws of war.

If Biden can persevere in the face of the chaos and confusion of war abroad and polarization at home, all while preserving a level of economic growth that is astonishing in contrast with the rest of the world, he’ll have his own story to tell in Chicago, one that should trump the adversity of any given moment or the concern generated by any given poll. If Biden can do his job, then he can take the stage in Chicago with his own simple pitch for re-election: In the face of disease, war, inflation and division, the economy thrives — and democracy is alive.

nyt
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2023 11:47 am
@Bogulum,
Do you blame all Palestinians for what Hamas does.

Criticising a country is not the same as criticising all of its population.

There were decent people in Nazi Germany, Ludvig Koch, who ended up working for the BBC.

And I'm not comparing Biden's administration to Nazi Germany, just using an extreme example to make a point.

There has been no progress in Palestine since the Oslo accord and the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

Since then Israel has become increasingly more right wing, the Palestinians have suffered greater persecution and all America has done is at best handwringing and lipservice.

America is the only country that can stop the brutal occupation because it funds the military. Israel receives Billions in military aid, not loans or privileged access to American weapons which have to be bought, but aid, freebies.

The reason for this is two fold, first of all it finances the American defence industry, which is very powerful, and more importantly it projects America power in the ME.

That's what matters, not Palestinian lives, but money for the arms industry and prestige abroad.

And a load of bullshit from Revelations keeps the Evangelical Christian Right on board.

That's why America, (like Russia in the Ukraine,) is finding itself isolated at the moment in the UN with only Pacific Island (vassal) nations going
along with its resolution on Gaza.

America is as responsible for decades of oppression of the Palestinian people and mealy mouthed words about aid won't wash.

It's lipservice and handwringing and it's meaningless and hypocritical.
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