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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2023 12:05 pm
Trump animates California Republicans with calls to shoot people who rob stores.

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During the address to GOP members, Trump also railed that wealthy Beverly Hills residents smell because of water denials, and repeated election fraud lies.

“We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply: If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store,” Trump said, spurring applause. “Shot!”
[...]
California has 169 delegates up for grabs and a novel change in rules could give Trump, who is leading the GOP pack, a leg up. Under this new rule, Trump would take each of California’s delegates should he garner more than 50% of its primary vote, AP explained.

The intensified calls for action come as Biden lapped Trump in campaign fundraising. Biden’s team reported $72m during quarter two and $77m in cash on hand – “more than doubling Trump’s haul” Mediaite said, citing the first FEC filing for the 2024 campaign.

“With your support, we will overcome the vicious attacks from the deep state and evict crooked Joe Biden from the White House. He’s the most corrupt president in our history,” Trump said in demanding donations. “He’s the most incompetent president in our history. And this country will die if we have to go through another four years of this guy!”

The heated appeals to voters correspond to Trump’s efforts to separate himself from his Republican competitors, none of whom appear poised to best him in primaries. He skipped a GOP debate this week and elected to rally in Michigan instead, in an apparent effort to woo laborers in a pivotal election state, AP said.

Trump’s scaremongering proclamations come on the eve of a New York civil trial this coming week that threatens his eponymous businesses with potentially ruinous fines. He also faces criminal proceedings in Georgia, Florida, New York and Washington DC.
The Guardian
blatham
 
  6  
Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2023 11:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Call me Pollyanna but my anxieties, well founded, are diminishing. Trump, almost certainly, will be their candidate. So it's a clear choice. Orange **** gibbon violent bullshiting paranoid christianist insanity or... Grandpa Joe. There are a lot of indicators which suggest that we'll get it right.
Builder
 
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Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 01:20 am
@blatham,
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or... Grandpa Joe


A feeble brain-dead octogenarian is all the D party can field at this time?

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There are a lot of indicators which suggest that we'll get it right.


Get what right? Rebuild better didn't do anything. The economy is in the shitter. Fuel prices and food prices are skyrocketing.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 03:34 am
@Builder,
Good night, Builder.
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 04:40 am
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This afternoon, the House of Representatives passed a continuing resolution to fund the government for 45 days—until just before Thanksgiving—by a vote of 335 to 91.

The maneuver was a huge blow to the MAGA caucus that was demanding dramatic cuts to the government, the embrace of their border policies, and elimination of Ukraine aid in exchange for keeping the government open. The measure the House passed had almost none of that. It was a clean continuing resolution to fund the government at 2023 levels for another 45 days…with two important exceptions: it added disaster funding, and it stripped out additional funding for Ukraine’s war against Russia.

House speaker Kevin McCarthy’s move was enough of a surprise that Democrats had to scramble even to read it, but it essentially means that McCarthy had to turn away from the MAGA Republicans to whom he has been catering and turn to the Democrats for the votes needed to fund the government.

All but one of the Democrats voted in favor; the lone “no” vote came from Representative Mike Quigley (D-IL), the co-chair of the Ukraine Caucus, whose district has a high percentage of Ukrainian Americans. The unity of the Democrats is notable and a sign of their strength going forward.

In contrast, the Republicans remain divided, but after months of catering to the extremists, today the rest of the conference asserted itself. One hundred and twenty-six Republicans voted in favor of the measure; 90 voted no. That 90 included all the usual suspects on the far right. The vote to pass the measure was a clear rebuke to the MAGA Republicans who had forced their colleagues in swing districts to vote for dramatic and unpopular cuts in services and then refused to fund the government anyway.

House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) said, “The American people have won. The extreme MAGA Republicans have lost. It was a victory for the American people and a complete and total surrender by right-wing extremists who throughout the year have tried to hijack the congress.”

McCarthy, explaining his sudden about-face to work with the Democrats, also blamed the extremists. It was very clear he had done all he could to work with them, he said, but “if you have members in your conference that won’t let you vote for appropriation bills, doesn’t [sic] want an omnibus, and won’t vote for a stopgap measure so the only answer is to shut down and not pay our troops, I don't want to be a part of that team. I want to be part of a conservative group that wants to get things done.”

More colloquially, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) wrote: “Here’s what went down: we just won a clean 45 day gov extension, stripped GOP’s earlier 30% cuts to Social Security admin etc, staved off last minute anti-immigrant hijinks, and averted shutdown (for now). People will get paychecks and MTG threw a tantrum on the way out. Win-win[.]”

Still at stake is funding for Ukraine, but members promise to make sure that happens. “We will get the Ukraine funding next,” Representative Eric Swalwell (D-CA) wrote. “This is a 45-day bill to make sure government is open and troops/cops/air-traffic controllers etc get paid. With the same leverage we used to bear back MAGA, we will keep Ukraine in the fight.”

The issue of funding for Ukraine is not a small one. Former Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) noted that it was on September 30, 1938, that British prime minister Neville Chamberlain announced he would not stand in the way of Adolf Hitler’s annexation of the Sudentenland, a key move in Hitler’s rise. “Members of the House and Senate who are voting to deny Ukraine assistance on the 85th anniversary of Neville Chamberlain’s 1938 “peace in our time” speech should read some history,” she wrote. “Appeasement didn’t work then. It won’t work now.”

The votes should be there for Ukraine aid. Just two days ago, members of the House voted 311 to 117 for Ukraine funding, and the Senate, too, strongly favors Ukraine aid. But there is no doubt the removal of this funding signals that Trump and the MAGA Republicans favor a foreign policy that helps Russian president Vladimir Putin.

The biggest loser in today’s vote was former president Trump, who had urged his loyalists to shut down the government until they got all their demands. He is an agent of chaos and recognized that hurting the nation—including our credit around the world—would make voters more likely to turn against the sitting president.

Getting himself or someone like him back into the White House is becoming his only hope for turning back his legal troubles, especially now that a judge has decided that he, his older sons, a number of associates, and the Trump Organization engaged in fraud that requires the dissolution of many of his businesses. That is a psychic blow as well as a financial one, and he cannot afford either.

The biggest winner is the American people, not only because Congress has agreed to do as the vast majority of us wish and fund the government. It’s far too early to say Republican leadership might really be breaking away from the MAGA crowd, but for today, at least, we can see what’s possible. It is clear at the very least that McCarthy cannot hold the speakership without Democratic votes.

Tonight the Senate also passed the continuing resolution, by an overwhelming vote of 88 to 9. The nine were all Republicans.

President Biden is expected to sign the measure. Tonight he released a statement saying that the agreement would prevent “an unnecessary crisis that would have inflicted needless pain on millions of hardworking Americans. This bill ensures that active-duty troops will continue to get paid, travelers will be spared airport delays, millions of women and children will continue to have access to vital nutrition assistance, and so much more.” “But I want to be clear,” he continued: “[W]e should never have been in this position in the first place. Just a few months ago, Speaker McCarthy and I reached a budget agreement to avoid precisely this type of manufactured crisis. For weeks, extreme House Republicans tried to walk away from that deal by demanding drastic cuts that would have been devastating for millions of Americans. They failed.”

Biden noted that despite the bill’s lack of aid for Ukraine, McCarthy and the overwhelming majority of Congress have been strong supporters of Ukraine. He said, “We cannot under any circumstances allow American support for Ukraine to be interrupted. I fully expect the Speaker will keep his commitment to the people of Ukraine and secure passage of the support needed to help Ukraine at this critical moment.”

hcr
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 05:24 am
@hightor,
Took McCarthy long enough to realize that trying to work with the far right politicians was not going to end well. (Probably should have realized that sooner with the 15 ballots it took for him to be Speaker in the first place).
Now the Freedom Caucus will attempt to oust him this week and Congress will have to vote for a new Speaker (for the 16th time this year).
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Bogulum
 
  5  
Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 04:53 pm
You know something I absolutely LOVE about Donald Trump?
No, really! There’s something I really appreciate about the guy..,

It’s the way, whenever he is questioned either officially or unofficially, he cannot HELP but further incriminate himself. He has been SO privileged and lived above suffering ANY consequences for his own actions for SO long, that he doesn’t think anything he says can hurt him.

He always says stuff like “Well yes, I did that, but I’m allowed to do that”, or “I don’t think I did that, but if I did there’s nothing wrong with it”.

It doesn’t even matter to me whether he really believes his own bullshit or not. I just love that he’s so ******* stupid and arrogant that he can’t help but to tell on himself.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2023 05:12 pm
@Bogulum,
Yes, it's like a rough version of Nixon's statement "But if you're the President, it's not illegal." It's a knocked up version of infallibility. You have to have a massively corrupt and morbidly inflated ego to think it applies to you.
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 03:53 am
Quote:
The trial of former president Trump, his oldest sons, two associates, and the Trump Organization began today in Manhattan. Jose Pagliery, political investigations reporter for The Daily Beast, noted that the presiding judge, New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, started with a reference to Friday’s rainstorm that flooded New York City, saying: "Weeks ago, I said we would start today 'come hell or high water.’ Meteorologically speaking, we’ve had the high water."

New York Attorney General Letitia James launched the investigation in 2019 after Trump fixer Michael Cohen testified before Congress that Trump had been engaging in fraud by inflating the value of his property. Last week, Justice Engoron issued a partial decision establishing that the organization and its executives committed fraud. Engoron canceled the licenses under which the organization’s New York businesses operated, provided for those businesses to be dissolved, and provided for an independent monitor to oversee the company.

With that major point already established, the trial that began today will establish how much of the ill-gotten money must be given up, or “disgorged,” by the defendants and whether they falsified records or engaged in insurance fraud in the process of committing fraud. James has asked for a minimum of $250 million in disgorgement, along with a ruling permanently prohibiting Trump and his older sons from doing business in New York, and a five-year ban on commercial real estate transactions for Trump and the organization.

Trump is attending the trial in person, likely because, as Pagliery noted, he cited this trial as the reason he couldn’t show up for two days of depositions in his federal case against Michael Cohen. If he didn’t show up, he would be in contempt of court. So he is there, but his goal in all his legal cases seems to be to play to the public, where his displays of victimization and dominance have always served him.

He has already said it is “unfair” that he isn’t getting a jury trial in New York, but his lawyers explicitly said they did not want one, possibly because a bench trial gives Trump a single judge to attack rather than a jury. Today, his lawyer Alina Habba, who along with her law firm and Trump has been fined close to $1 million by a federal judge for filing a frivolous lawsuit, gave a fiery opening statement aimed at “the American people” rather than the judge. When the court broke for lunch, Trump went straight to reporters to rail at the prosecutors holding him to account.

Historian Lawrence Glickman noted that the press is emphasizing Trump’s anger at the proceedings as if a defendant’s anger matters, but it is starting to feel as if bullying and bluster to get away with breaking the rules is not as effective as it used to be. Legal analyst Lisa Rubin notes that this case is a form of “corporate death penalty” that strikes at his wealth and image, both of which are central to his identity and to his political power.

And it is not just Trump; another case announced on Friday suggests the era of real estate crime is ending. The Department of Justice announced that a California real estate executive had pleaded guilty the previous day to a multi-year scheme that looked a lot like the one Trump’s organization is charged with: fraudulently inflating the value of real estate holdings of a Michigan company in order to defraud lenders.

“My office will not hesitate to prosecute those who lie in order to engage in financial crimes, regardless of the titles they may have,” said U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan Dawn N. Ison.

The drive for the impartial application of the rule of law is showing up among the Democrats, as they seek to illustrate the difference between them and the Republicans. New Jersey Democratic senator Bob Menendez is insisting that the federal indictment against him and his wife for bribery, fraud, and extortion in exchange for helping Egypt is a political smear campaign, but more than half of Democratic senators have called on him to resign.

Trump is increasingly being held to account by former staff, as well. In the wake of his attacks on former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley, Trump’s former chief of staff Marine Corps General John Kelly went on the record today with Jake Tapper of CNN, confirming a number of the damning stories that emerged during Trump’s presidency about his denigration of wounded, captured, or killed military personnel as “suckers” and “losers,” with whom he didn’t want to be seen.

Kelly called Trump: “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason—in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law…. There is nothing more that can be said,” he added. “God help us.”

The confirmation of Trump’s attacks on wounded or killed military personnel will not help his political support. After reading Kelly’s remarks, retired Army Major General Paul Eaton, a key advocate for veteran voting, released a video he recorded more than two years ago when he first heard the stories about Trump’s attack on the military. “Who could vote for this traitor Trump?” he asked on social media. In the video, Eaton urges veterans to “vote Democratic,” because “our country’s honor depends on it.”

That Trump is concerned about his ebbing popularity showed tonight when his campaign released a statement demanding that the Republican National Committee cancel all future debates and focus on Trump’s evidence-free allegations that the Democrats are going to steal the 2024 election. If it refuses, the statement says, it will just show that national Republicans are “more concerned about helping Joe Biden than ensuring a safe and secure election.”

Popular pressure against the extremism of the Republican Party showed up today when Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas recused himself from participating in a case related to the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Thomas’s wife, Ginni, was a staunch supporter of Trump’s attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election, and in the past, Thomas had voted on related cases nonetheless. Today’s case involved John Eastman, formerly one of Thomas’s law clerks.

There were interesting signs today that the tide seems to be turning against the MAGA Republicans elsewhere, too. In an op-ed in the New York Times, former South Carolina representative Bob Inglis told his “Fellow Republicans: It’s Time to Grow Up.” He expressed regret for his votes in 1995 to shut down the government and in 1998 to impeach President Bill Clinton, and for his opposition to addressing climate change on the grounds that if Al Gore was for it, Republicans should be against it.

But he had come to realize that “the fight wasn’t against Al Gore; it was against climate change. Just as the challenge of funding the government isn’t a referendum on Speaker McCarthy; it’s a challenge of making one out of many—E pluribus unum—and of bringing the country together to do basic things.” He called on Republicans to remember that we must face the huge challenges in our future together: language that echoes President Joe Biden, who has been making that pitch since he took office.

The fight over funding the government has contributed to growing pressure on the extremists. The chaos in the Republican Party as the factions fought each other with no plan to fund the government until McCarthy finally had to rely on the Democrats for help passing a continuing resolution was a sign that the extremists’ power is at risk.

Today, there was much chafing over the threats of Representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) to challenge Speaker Kevin McCarthy of California, and he actually did it this evening, although it is not clear that he has the votes either to remove McCarthy or to prevent his reelection as speaker. What is clear is that Gaetz is forcing a showdown between the extremists and the rest of the party, and while such a showdown is sure to garner media attention, it is unlikely to leave the extremists in a stronger position.

Indeed, when he left the floor after making the motion to vacate the chair, some Democrats laughed.

hcr
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blatham
 
  4  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 10:03 am
@Bogulum,
Quote:
It doesn’t even matter to me whether he really believes his own bullshit or not. I just love that he’s so ******* stupid and arrogant that he can’t help but to tell on himself.

Though I'm not suggesting you are making this mistake, it would be a mistake to think that what he is doing and what he is saying aren't working to his benefit. Of course he knows now (and always has) that he is lying. But he got rich and became President and now leader of the GOP through behaving/speaking as he always has. Whether in business, in the courts or in politics, he is a chaos agent. It's the key reason his base loves him. He can, in a campaign stop, call Biden a "mother ******" and his base cheers. He can make another joke about Paul Pelosi being assaulted with a hammer and his audience screams in approval. He can declare that if he is President again then people stealing from a store will be shot. Shot! He can threaten Milley's life and before attending his trial say publicly that his judge deserves to be put on trial and his base love him for saying these things. What he is doing right now is a duplicate of what he tried before Jan 6 - foment violence and revolution against any person or any national institution that attempts to curb his rise to dictatorial power through creating civic chaos.

I don't think he'll skate through and win an election. But we're left with a huge portion of the population who will have developed an eager appetite for the vigorous and violent chaos he has inspired.
Bogulum
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 11:13 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Though I'm not suggesting you are making this mistake, it would be a mistake to think that what he is doing and what he is saying aren't working to his benefit.


See, I think you and I have definite differences in what we deem as important. You say it “works to his benefit”. I say so what if it keeps him popular and in favor with the people who support him? So what? So he’s leading in the polls? That’s not my focus – my focus is how he looks to the judges and juries who will decide whether he rots in prison. I don’t care that his blathering and capering makes him a superhero to the drooling hordes of motherfucking Trump supporters. For crissakes, they would vote for him if he barbequed a puppy on live tv.

I care that the American justice system may finally have enough material and momentum to save democracy from this putrid creep.

You and Frank Apisa and others keep bringing up concerns about what his supporters will think, and what they might do. I’m saying that in doing so, you’re feeding right into a festering disease upon the very concept of right and wrong.

Look, I’m saying justice must be done with Trump, and it must be done NOTWITHSTANDING WHATEVER HIS ******* CRAZY-ASS SUPPORTERS THINK, OR WHAT THEY DO. Please cease cautioning me to be wary of what his stirring the crazy pot might do.

Quote:
Of course he knows now (and always has) that he is lying. But he got rich and became President and now leader of the GOP through behaving/speaking as he always has. Whether in business, in the courts or in politics, he is a chaos agent. It's the key reason his base loves him. He can, in a campaign stop, call Biden a "mother ******" and his base cheers. He can make another joke about Paul Pelosi being assaulted with a hammer and his audience screams in approval. He can declare that if he is President again then people stealing from a store will be shot. Shot! He can threaten Milley's life and before attending his trial say publicly that his judge deserves to be put on trial and his base love him for saying these things. What he is doing right now is a duplicate of what he tried before Jan 6 - foment violence and revolution against any person or any national institution that attempts to curb his rise to dictatorial power through creating civic chaos.


Yes Blatham, I understand he’s doing the same things now that he’s always done. There's one tiny difference now, that I am counting on. Now he’s doing it while OUT ON BAIL FACING FOUR INDICTMENTS. Otherwise, I’d probably be chiming right in with you and others warning to “be careful”, to “not underestimate”, and reminding of “his popularity, influence and power”, because all that we'd be talking about is the chance this stupid country will elect him again.

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I don't think he'll skate through and win an election. But we're left with a huge portion of the population who will have developed an eager appetite for the vigorous and violent chaos he has inspired.


There’s that focus again... – on all those tens of millions who will still vote for him, and might take up tiki torches and assault rifles. They are of course a worry, but I wrote them off as irredeemable persons to beware of – WHEN THEY TRIED TO REELECT HIM 3 YEARS AGO.

I cannot live in fear of what those crazy sumbitches will do. And sorry, but that’s what it feels like you’re suggesting - to fear: “Go ahead and hate Trump if you want; hope and pray that he is convicted and sentenced. But you better not forget that he’s still popular to 70 million crazy motherfuckers.”

I don’t forget it, or ignore it. I’m sure all the people in the justice system who hold Trump’s life in their hands are ACUTELY AWARE of the crazies. But I hope if they think about them at all, it just makes them more determined to look at the evidence and convict this asshole. An alarming amount of things depend on that.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 11:35 am
@Bogulum,
Golly. Need I now offer up an apology for suggesting a take on matters which is not a perfect duplication of your own?
Bogulum
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 11:41 am
@blatham,
We differ on some things. I don’t apologize for my opinion, nor have I suggested you apologize for yours.
Golly, Have you always been this delicate?
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Bogulum
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 11:47 am
@blatham,
Let me ask you this. What was your point - what was the desired effect - of reminding me that Trump is doing the same things that caused his rise to power?

Was it something you thought I wasn’t taking into careful enough consideration?
I’m really confused about what motivated you to write what you did.
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Bogulum
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 11:59 am
@blatham,
So sorry if it’s a lot, but I want to ask you one more thing…
Do you think the judges and prosecutors and juries should be worried about what the MAGATs might do?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 01:34 pm
@Bogulum,
I noticed that in the ongoing fraud trial in New York, Trump's lawer's neglected to tick a box requesting a jury trial, meaning the level of damages will be decided by the judge Trump has been badmouthing.

That's the calibre of lawyer he now attracts.

Hopefully they'll be similarly incompetent in the criminal trials.

To answer your question, I don't think the judiciary should feel intimidated by Maga scum, they should be given adequate protection.

Whether they do feel intimidated is another matter.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 01:37 pm
The former president attacked the judge’s clerk in a social media post that quickly disappeared.

Trump Ordered Not to Comment on Judge or Staff in Fraud Case
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Donald J. Trump was chastised on Tuesday by the judge presiding over his civil fraud trial after the former president posted a message targeting the judge’s law clerk.

Mr. Trump attacked the clerk, Allison Greenfield, shortly before noon on his Truth Social site. His post was a picture of Ms. Greenfield with Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic majority leader. Mr. Trump mocked Ms. Greenfield as “Schumer’s girlfriend” and said that the case against him should be dismissed.

The post was taken down during a lunch break, around 1:30 p.m.

Justice Arthur F. Engoron, after the break, explained what had happened, though he did not name Ms. Greenfield or Mr. Trump, referring to him only as a defendant. “Personal attacks on my members of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them under any circumstances,” he said.

Justice Engoron said that his statement should be considered a gag order forbidding any posts, emails or public remarks about members of his staff.

He added that serious sanctions would follow were he to be disobeyed.
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 01:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
And if Trump and any of his cronies violate this order? Let a legal hammer the size of the Trump Tower fall on their criminal heads.
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 02:10 pm
@Bogulum,
The problem isn't singular. It's not merely Trump. It seems to me that the threat of Trump gaining another term is now a dim possibility (though as still a slight possibility, a critically dangerous one). I think as I do for reasons I wrote about earlier including election results over the last two to three years, abortion, dissatisfaction with him among powerful forces on the right and the legal charges he faces. I think he's toast.

But even with him effectively removed as a candidate, we're still left with enormous problems. The MAGA phenomenon is not unique to him nor did it originate with him. The right wing base was already primed for someone like Trump and he just happened to have a set of talents and a level of sociopathy which made him a catalyst. And so, predictably, other ambitious sociopaths in the US (and elsewhere) have been copying him (not least his bullying and cruelties) and doing so because they are aware of the "market" for totalitarian figures and behaviors. The subservience to him demonstrated by the GOP broadly over the last six years because the party and movement conservative leaders found him useful in achieving their anti-government and anti-democratic goals (ie Supreme Court, electoral misbehavior, furthering Christian right policies/laws, tax cuts, etc) tells us another Trump-like figure, without some of his less marketable characteristics, would be welcomed on the modern right - eg a DeSantis with charisma.

This is, as I see it, the much bigger and more complicated problem.

Quote:
Do you think the judges and prosecutors and juries should be worried about what the MAGATs might do?

Yes. To the extent that many are now receiving security details and/or assistance at levels I've never seen before. And also as regards how thoughtfully, carefully and thoroughly legal cases brought against Trump must be researched and planned. But if you're asking, should they hesitate in bringing these cases? Definitely not. As you argue, this is essential.
Bogulum
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2023 02:48 pm
@blatham,
I don’t disagreed that dispatching Trump won’t dislodge the whole of the poisonous plant, stem and root that is MAGA-ism.
And I agree that we who remain will still have to find a way to deal with the disease of scorched-earth, power-over-everything, “Trumpian” politics.

I am simply steadfast in the belief that the democratic republic as we know it cannot survive if Donald Trump is allowed to plan and attempt the overthrow of our method of elections and to steal hundreds of US secret documents, without facing life in prison.
 

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