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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 12:53 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:


By delaying any indictments of Donald Trump until he has now entered the actual run-up to the 2024 election, Merrick Garland has allowed Donald Trump to escape ever having to account for trying to overthrow our government.


I'm not clear how entering the run-up will prevent him coming to justice. I'm not sure how those two related.

You've had issues about Garland from the get-go, and if you're proved right, well done you. But can't he still proceed? Why do you think he won't?

snood wrote:

No one will admit it. No one will report it.


If that's true (and I don't read all or just USA news, so I don't know), then why do you think that is? Why hasn't the media gone after this angle?
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 12:55 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

The real story is January 6 was planned and carried out by Democrats and American spies. Evidence was filmed and released to the American public last night. We’ll see if the criminals who have destroyed American democracy are held accountable.


Yeah, those damn Democrats. Just like the only people proven to have committed voter fraud were Republicans... yeah, the same ones screaming about imaginary Democratic voter fraud.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 02:00 pm
@Mame,
If I’m right, that will not be a “well done”, it will be a “we’re fucked”.

Because if I’m right, it means that there are no facts, no sworn testimonies, no damning evidence, and or no weighty investigation findings that will be enough to convince Merrick Garland to prosecute Donald Trump. If I’m right, he has already caved in and quit under the weight of being the Attorney General who was the last best hope for Donald Trump to be subject yo the law, and not above it.

You say you don’t see the connection between campaign season and the possibility of Trump being arrested.

Well I’ll just say that I believe that the federal law enforcement officials like Garland and his appointed muscle Jack Smith see a connection, and they don’t want their actions to be viewed as serving anyone politically. I think they’re scared that indicting Trump would be seen as trying to help Biden. And everyone seems afraid of Trump’s rabid 30%.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 02:04 pm
@Mame,
We are all going to have to get used to the idea that by the time the 2024 election gets here, Donald Trump will have been proven beyond any doubt to be truly above the law.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 02:36 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

We are all going to have to get used to the idea that by the time the 2024 election gets here, Donald Trump will have been proven beyond any doubt to be truly above the law.


I respectfully disagree, Snood. I think what will be proven is that NOBODY is above the law in this country. Trump will be indicted on a serious charge...and will be convicted. How they administer punishment to an ex-president is another matter. But I will be satisfied if they simply give him house arrest (at a house of their choosing)...and take away his ability to play golf. I do not need him sledging rocks or making license plates to be satisfied that justice has been done.

In fact, I probably would hope for no actual prison time. Really bad precedent to set before this disgusting GOP.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 02:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
“How they administer Justice to an ex- president is a different matter”.

Why is that different? Are we talking about the same “justice” as the one that is inscribed in stone as supposedly blind?

House arrest and suspension from the golf course, for spawning sedition against our nation? How can you rest easy with that?
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 03:05 pm
@snood,
snood, I'm not challenging your observations, just posting this for its relevance to the discussion:

Merrick Garland Is No Pushover

The more we learn, the more aggressive the attorney general’s approach looks.

David A. Graham wrote:
Deliberate Aggression

No one would mistake Merrick Garland for a firebrand. When President Joe Biden nominated him to lead the Justice Department, the former federal judge cited Edward Levi, the attorney general who restored faith in the department after Watergate, as a role model. But Garland faced a potentially more complicated charge than Levi: Whereas Richard Nixon had resigned, been pardoned, and withdrawn from the national stage, Garland had to rebuild the DOJ while also delivering accountability for Trump, who remains unrepentant and is running to return to office.

As weeks turned to months and we passed the one-year mark of Biden’s term, Garland’s apparently slow pace on the second task rattled observers who worry that Trump will end up facing little punishment for attempting to steal the election and inciting an insurrection—and that he might even return to the White House. But deliberation is not the same as inaction. The first sign that Garland was not as disengaged as he might have seemed came when the FBI executed a warrant at Mar-a-Lago in August, seeking government records—some highly sensitive—that Trump had allegedly improperly taken. And the more we learn, the more aggressive Garland’s approach looks.

This week, The Washington Post reported on how the surprise August search was the culmination of a running disagreement between the FBI and Justice Department prosecutors. (All of them ultimately report to Garland.) Some of the FBI officials were reluctant to push Trump too hard and wanted to ask him for permission or to slow-walk the process. My colleague Adam Serwer notes the irony that the bureau, which Trump and Republicans have portrayed as implacably politically opposed to him, was actually quite eager to protect him. But backed by Garland, who personally approved the search, the prosecutors ultimately won the day.

Separately, the Justice Department argued in a court filing yesterday that Trump can be liable for actions of the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021. A group of Capitol Police officers and members of the House of Representatives have sued the former president for physical and psychological damage from the riot. Trump’s lawyers contend that he cannot be held liable for inciting the riot because he was acting as president at the time, which confers immunity. But the Justice Department disagreed.

“Speaking to the public on matters of public concern is a traditional function of the Presidency, and the outer perimeter of the President’s Office includes a vast realm of such speech,” government attorneys wrote in the filing. “But that traditional function is one of public communication. It does not include incitement of imminent private violence.”

While all of this happens, the criminal investigations into Trump’s actions around the 2020 election and the Mar-a-Lago documents are moving swiftly. After Trump announced his presidential campaign in November, Garland appointed Jack Smith, a former Justice Department lawyer, to oversee the probes, and Smith has demonstrated an aggressive streak. In the past month, he has subpoenaed Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and former Vice President Mike Pence. CNN also reports that Smith “is locked in at least eight secret court battles” related to the Trump investigations. (Garland also appointed a special counsel to look into classified documents found in one of Biden’s houses and a former office space. He has said that the DOJ can handle an investigation into Hunter Biden, the president’s son, internally.)

My colleague Franklin Foer saw all of this coming in an October profile of the attorney general. He wrote that Garland did not seem to relish the position in which he found himself, but that the very qualities that worried Garland’s naysayers—his institutionalism, caution, and fastidiousness—were the ones that would likely lead him to indict Trump. “I’ve reached the conclusion that his devotion to procedure, his belief in the rule of law, and in particular his reverence for the duties, responsibilities, and traditions of the U.S. Department of Justice will cause him to make the most monumental decision an attorney general can make,” Frank wrote.

What the attorney general has not managed to do so far is depoliticize public perceptions of the department. By all reports, he’s returning a greater professionalism to the department after some of the lowlights of the Trump presidency, but the Mar-a-Lago search and other investigations have made the DOJ a subject of greater political strife. Despite his painstaking approach to the Trump investigations, Garland was grilled by Republicans during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this week, and accused (unconvincingly) of conducting a witch hunt against conservatives. An indictment of Trump would only exaggerate complaints of bias from the right.

There is, to be fair, a big gap between investigating and indicting. Trump is clearly upset about how things are going. He issued an angry comment after the DOJ’s filing yesterday, and last month released a long, unusual statement, replete with very un-Trumpian footnotes, that I wrote was a preview of the legal strategy he might use if charged with crimes connected to the insurrection. The strategy might work, either as a defense or at least as a deterrence to charges. And, as I reported in January, any case against Trump would also have to move fast, with the goal of concluding before January 20, 2025, when a Republican president could take office and shut it down.

But whatever ultimately happens to Donald Trump, what we’ve seen over the past month should be enough to put to rest the idea that Garland is letting the former president off easy. Perhaps the Trump years made us forget that the Justice Department can get things done without messy public drama.

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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 03:11 pm
Posted without comment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqtncDfaEAEi6vC?format=jpg&name=medium
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 03:13 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

“How they administer Justice to an ex- president is a different matter”.

Why is that different? Are we talking about the same “justice” as the one that is inscribed in stone as supposedly blind?

House arrest and suspension from the golf course, for spawning sedition against our nation? How can you rest easy with that?


I will not rest easy with it, Snood. I would love for his punishment to be what treason would have brought not all that long back. He should be hung.

But I will tolerate something less...because something less is the very best we will get. And, in the long run, will probably serve our purposes better than hanging the son-of-a-bitch.

We are in a tit-for-tat kind of reality for the foreseeable future. I don't want to see someone like Joe Biden, Kamela Harris, or Tony Fauci being hung as a tat.

Anyway...we are far away from that for now. Like you, I want to see the charges brought. I just feel as close to confident that they will come...as you seem to be confident that they will not.

We'll see what happens.

As an afterthought...we, America and all of us living here, will not come out of the Trump era in any kind of decent shape. The wound put on us by Trump, his enablers, and supporters will not heal during the lifetimes of anyone now alive.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 04:36 pm
The incompetent capital police were woefully unprepared for innocent tourists.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqqPHN-WcAAYSpa?format=jpg&name=medium

What Carlson et al are counting on...

Quote:
dou·ble·think
noun
the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 05:21 pm
@Lash,
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Obv Nancy Pelosi is above the law.

1. For now, I will put aside any (misleading) claims you make about Pelosi.

2. My question to you Lash is:
Aren't you the ultimate defender of MAGA lawlessness?
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 05:29 pm
@Lash,
I think we can agree your mental abilities have been on a severe decline lately. Either that or you've had a personality lobotomy. You're not who you once were.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 05:37 pm
@hightor,
"My colleague Franklin Foer saw all of this coming in an October profile of the attorney general. He wrote that Garland did not seem to relish the position in which he found himself, but that the very qualities that worried Garland’s naysayers—his institutionalism, caution, and fastidiousness—were the ones that would likely lead him to indict Trump. “I’ve reached the conclusion that his devotion to procedure, his belief in the rule of law, and in particular his reverence for the duties, responsibilities, and traditions of the U.S. Department of Justice will cause him to make the most monumental decision an attorney general can make,” Frank wrote.

This is somewhat reassuring, especially as spoken by someone who knows the man well.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 05:37 pm
@Lash,
Drunk
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2023 05:41 pm
@Real Music,
Drunk Drunk


You see, I’ve done two emoticons, so I win.
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