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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 06:58 am
@oralloy,
racist nonsense and wrong "evidence" which shows no such things.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 07:14 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
racist nonsense

Reality is neither racist nor nonsense.


MontereyJack wrote:
and wrong "evidence"

The evidence isn't wrong. It shows what it shows.


MontereyJack wrote:
which shows no such things.

The evidence shows clearly that Trayvon was the aggressor and was killed in justified self defense.
Region Philbis
 
  5  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 08:04 am
Quote:
EPA removes dozens of Trump-appointed advisers from advisory panels

"Scientific integrity is one of EPA's foundational values -- and as Administrator, I am committed to ensuring
that every decision we make meets rigorous scientific standards," EPA Administrator Michael Regan said in
a statement. "Resetting these two scientific advisory committees will ensure the agency receives the best
possible scientific insight to support our work to protect human health and the environment. Today we
return to a time-tested, fair, and transparent process for soliciting membership to these critically important
advisory bodies."
(cnn)
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 08:44 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The evidence shows clearly that Trayvon was the aggressor and was killed in justified self defense.


Not this "evidence", I hope.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 08:50 am
@hightor,
No. The evidence is the actual location of their fight.

The fight happened behind the building where Mr. Zimmerman parked his truck, which is where Mr. Zimmerman was when the dispatcher advised him that following Trayvon was a very bad idea.

Had Mr. Zimmerman continued following Trayvon for an additional four minutes, the fight would have occurred in a much different location.

The only way for the fight to happen behind the building where Mr. Zimmerman parked his truck would be for Trayvon to double back and confront Mr. Zimmerman.
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engineer
 
  4  
Thu 1 Apr, 2021 10:56 am
Slate's April 1st Biden Article

Quote:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Biden Administration

I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to bite members of his Secret Service detail and poop on his floors.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 07:32 am
Going back a couple of pages, I see no mention of John Boehner's piece at Politico on how the GOP went crazy. It's really quite excellent.
HERE
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 07:57 am
@blatham,
Quote:
It's really quite excellent.


It really is! Who knew?
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 08:15 am
@hightor,
I'm not terribly surprised as I've previously caught bits from him that suggested such a set of perceptions. But he's laid out the story with a depth and range that most other senior GOP officials have been reluctant to do. Interesting too that the story he tells is very close to the sort of take on all this that you or I or others here have had and made for years. Reading the piece, I found myself wondering what georgeob might have to say about it. I mean, sooner or later he's got to have the epiphany, doesn't he?

Also, Matt Gaetz... couldn't happen to a nicer fellow.
snood
 
  0  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 09:21 am
@blatham,
An “excellent piece”, huh? I can’t stand the different degrees of revisionist history that republicans will indulge in – all to wash the stain of complicity from themselves. Complicity with a republican party that has buddied up with racist wackos and fellated the NRA for decades. At least someone like Lindsay Graham is transparent with his schizophrenic disingenuousness. He does his flip flops from strong, independent thinker to Trump throne sniffer right out in public.

John Boehner was best buddies with Roger Ailes and was totally blindsided by it when Ailes pushed Obama-hating conspiracy theories. Yeah, okay.


Boehner saw Michelle Bachman as a lunatic at first, but after getting her on the House Intelligence Community came to know her as a “focused... hard-working” asset to the party. How can you claim Bachman as a positive for Republicans while pretending to bewail the **** show republicans have become?

Now - now after four years of insane destruction that was cheered on or at least unopposed by the Republicans, now John Boehner wants to make sure he’s marked down as having always been for sanity.

John Boehner says his plan was to find ways to work with Obama, while still standing strong for “Republican principles” (whatever the **** that means). He says his plan was thwarted by all the crazies who took over the party and the media. This is the same John Boehner who said this about Obama’s agenda right before he became speaker of the house:
“We’re going to do everything we can - and I mean everything- to kill it, stop it, slow it down.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311

But this was an “excellent piece”, by Boehner, and “who knew?”, right? Well I guess you’re praising the quality of writing, because if you’re praising the content for it’s accuracy or the man for his integrity, you’re full of it.

izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 09:26 am
@snood,
I feel the same way about Norman Fowler’s decision to stand down as speaker in the Lords to campaign on gay rights. This is the same Fowler who was in Thatcher’s cabinet which passed some of the most restrictive anti gay legislation since homosexuality was legalised.
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Region Philbis
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 09:42 am

Pandemic recovery picks up speed as employers add 916,000 jobs
(cnn)

great job by the Biden administration.
but don't start celebrating just yet -- we're still not back to where we were in march 2020...
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oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 10:18 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
An "excellent piece", huh? I can't stand the different degrees of revisionist history that republicans will indulge in – all to wash the stain of complicity from themselves.

No such revisionism. There are no stains to wash.


snood wrote:
Complicity with a republican party that has buddied up with racist wackos and fellated the NRA for decades.

Falsely accusing everyone of racism makes you look silly.

Being linked to a prominent civil liberties organization is something for Republicans to be proud of.


snood wrote:
Now - now after four years of insane destruction that was cheered on or at least unopposed by the Republicans, now John Boehner wants to make sure he's marked down as having always been for sanity.

Everyone knows that he's always been a moderate willing to work for the other side.


snood wrote:
John Boehner says his plan was to find ways to work with Obama, while still standing strong for "Republican principles" (whatever the **** that means).

He is stating the obvious there.


snood wrote:
He says his plan was thwarted by all the crazies who took over the party and the media.

He's being a bit unfair to the far right there. They did make things difficult for him, true.

But the main reason why his plan was thwarted was because Mr. Obama is a deranged whacko who can't work with other people.


snood wrote:
But this was an "excellent piece", by Boehner, and "who knew?", right? Well I guess you're praising the quality of writing, because if you're praising the content for it's accuracy or the man for his integrity, you're full of it.

I'll confess to not having read the piece in question.

But going by your reaction to the piece, the only inaccuracy in it was his refusal to put the blame squarely on Barack Obama's extremism for undermining bipartisanship.

It's not the far right's fault that Mr. Obama is a deranged whacko.

And it's not too late to impeach him.
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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 10:51 am
Quote:
But this was an “excellent piece”, by Boehner, and “who knew?”, right? Well I guess you’re praising the quality of writing, because if you’re praising the content for it’s accuracy or the man for his integrity, you’re full of it.


I'm always interested in the actual sausage-making that goes on behind the scenes. I knew that Boehner had some reservations about the way things were headed in the Congress but I wasn't privy to the machinations involving Bachman. It makes me wonder how he'd have dealt with Marjorie Taylor Greene. When push comes to shove, yeah, he's a conservative creep but at least he drinks, smokes, and can call out somebody like Ted Cruz. As with G.W. Bush, he only looks "better" in comparison to the Trump-tainted politics we see today. Realize, of course, that both of those characters have the luxury of saying what's on their mind. McConnell gave a pretty impassioned speech on Jan 6 but when the party failed to coalesce around his re-framing of Trumpism he caved. I don't expect these people to embrace liberal ideals but I do appreciate the occasional glimpse of conscience and independence.
snood
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 11:10 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I do appreciate the occasional glimpse of conscience and independence.


For the love of god, why?

Because on rare candid moments in between trampling voting rights,
robbing from the poor to make the rich feel more secure, denying climate change and fighting to maintain the white cis male status quo, they appear to have vestiges of humanity?

Whew
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 11:20 am
@snood,
Quote:

For the love of god, why?

Because it opens a crack that allows the public to see how compromised these people are, how hollow their claims of integrity, and why we need to reform our institutions and elect more effective public servants.

Nowhere did I say that I approved of Boehner's (or Bachman's) political record or ideology. I would have thought that was a given.



blatham
 
  1  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 11:46 am
@snood,
You'll perhaps notice that I did not say Boehner is Jesus returned.

The political scientists and historians I attend to are in agreement on a primary problem which has broken American politics - one party has gone nuts. It is not fact-based, it has almost nothing in the way of a policy agenda or a governing philosophy, it relies on corruption and fear-mongering to influence its base and it is bolstered by a sophisticated and large propaganda machine. How does that change? I think you'd agree that it must or the American experiment is fucked.

The only way it changes that I can possibly imagine is via changes in consensus within the American public. That's not an on/off switch. It's a slow and incremental shift where an increasing number of citizens rethink their allegiance to the GOP as it now exists. Every Republican (or ex Republican/conservative) who speaks out and identifies the destructive aspects of the modern party is doing a good thing. Without such voices, there's really no hope of change.



snood
 
  0  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 12:45 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

You'll perhaps notice that I did not say Boehner is Jesus returned.


You’re stretching. I hate hyperbole. I hate it with the white-hot intensity of a hundred exploding suns. (That was a joke)
You’ll perhaps acknowledge there’s a hell of a lot of distance between saying someone’s Jesus and just giving them way more deference than they’re due.

blatham wrote:



The political scientists and historians I attend to are in agreement on a primary problem which has broken American politics - one party has gone nuts. It is not fact-based, it has almost nothing in the way of a policy agenda or a governing philosophy, it relies on corruption and fear-mongering to influence its base and it is bolstered by a sophisticated and large propaganda machine. How does that change? I think you'd agree that it must or the American experiment is fucked.

The only way it changes that I can possibly imagine is via changes in
consensus within the American public. That's not an on/off switch. It's a slow and incremental shift where an increasing number of citizens rethink their allegiance to the GOP as it now exists. Every Republican (or ex Republican/conservative) who speaks out and identifies the destructive aspects of the modern party is doing a good thing. Without such voices, there's really no hope of change.



And you think that this incremental change that you submit is so crucial to the saving of the republic will be abetted by kindly encouragement of any Republican who speaks any truth for whatever reason.

I do agree with a couple things you said, though. I agree that one party lost it’s goddamn mind, and I agree that something basic has got to change.

But I think that particular basic change needs to be that democrats defeat them at every level. They need to be beaten back into a weak minority until they get some leaders with souls and common sense.

I don’t want one party government but I’m living in a time when one of the parties needs to be crushed into submission. The democrats believe they know the right role of government, and I believe they are correct. I think if the republicans ever did have a plan for the greater good that it’s been coopted and perverted by blind fear and greed.

I believe democrats need to stop worrying about hurting the feelings of republicans who play cutthroat politics every chance they get.


blatham
 
  0  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 02:32 pm
@snood,
Quote:
But I think that particular basic change needs to be that democrats defeat them at every level. They need to be beaten back into a weak minority until they get some leaders with souls and common sense.

Me too. All the interesting questions relate to how this gets done.

Quote:
I believe democrats need to stop worrying about hurting the feelings of republicans who play cutthroat politics every chance they get.

I don't see that as the problem. Manchin and Sinema are real-world problems with no easy solution. They are going to have to be finessed and compromises made. As the Republicans, in their modern shape, constantly play the victim game no matter what the situation, they will predictably claim their feelings are hurt so you're quite right to advocate not worrying about that. But I don't think Biden's team is worried about it in that way. My reading is that they are trying to get as much done as possible while still projecting to citizens that well-intentioned and effective governance is possible so that chaos/civil war doesn't gain further adherents.

There are three leaders that speak to me in our situation: Gandhi, MLK, and Mandela. It's surely true that patience and steadfast, ethical efforts allied with a rejection of violence doesn't always lead to resolution of national and humanitarian problems but any other path seems far more likely to end disastrously.

Any way, I hope you and yours are well. You've always been an admirable chap.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 2 Apr, 2021 02:40 pm
@snood,
It's the Democrats who are the problem.

The solution is to outlaw the party IMO.
 

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