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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2023 05:45 pm
@snood,
While accusing everyone else of their own repulsive behaviour.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2023 05:53 pm
@izzythepush,
Wrong again. The only people here who engage in repulsive behavior are progressives.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 08:12 am
Jesus Super Bowl Ad Sparks Outrage at Massive Price Tag
Quote:

"I dunno - I'd think $20MM could accomplish a lot more of the things Jesus would actually want people to do than watch a Super Bowl commercial," one person tweeted, adding that $20 million would be the equivalent of "a lot of food and shelter for the poor and underprivileged" or significant aid for those affected by war and natural disaster.


izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 08:25 am
@revelette1,
I know, it's the very antithesis of what Christ preached. The more they shout about about being Christian the further they seem to move from Christ.

This is a nicer Superbowl Story.

Quote:
Chiefs fan donated kidney to Eagles fan. Now they’re off to Super Bowl together


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/12/chiefs-fan-donated-kidney-eagles-super-bowl
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 08:34 am
@izzythepush,
Yes it is. It's a big sacrifice to donate a kidney or any other body part. I mean, you never know what is going to come down the line later.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 08:39 am
Quote:
Reports about former President Donald Trump's legal team handing over to prosecutors a laptop belonging to one of his aides has spurred calls for Republicans to hold a new congressional hearing to look into the matter.

Representative Ted Lieu, a California Democrat, said that House Republicans should hold a hearing about the aide's laptop similar to the one they held this week, which focused on the suppression of a New York Post article that was published in 2020 about Hunter Biden's laptop.

"Since MAGA Republicans are obsessed about laptops, @HouseGOP should do a hearing on the Trump laptop that illegally stored classified information. Instead, House GOP did a stupid hearing on what Twitter said about a widely known NY Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop," Lieu tweeted on Friday.


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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 09:32 am
@revelette1,

but tRump has suffered enough, according to the MAGATs...
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 10:01 am
somebody wrote:
The only people here who engage in repulsive behavior are progressives.

Progressives are bad people.

An excellent example of the intolerance that makes progressives such horrible people.


Perhaps somebody has forgotten the expressions of concern and the hopes for a speedy recovery posted by the progressives, liberals, and commies on this site when he returned after suffering a serious heart attack. Very telling – and a bit repugnant. As my grandmother used to say, "God, grant me a grateful heart."
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 10:04 am
@revelette1,
More an expression of Christian Charity than a megabucks advert anyway.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 11:05 am
https://www.fastcompany.com/90848025/ohio-train-derailment-toxic-chemicals-pvc-spill-fire-disaster

Biden's strike-breaking action in December directly led to this environmental disaster in Ohio. They won't forget. This article contains lies about safety. Nothing to see here. Another Democrat-sponsored nothingburger...

A train derailment last week in Ohio has turned into a full-fledged environmental disaster, and it’s received surprisingly little national media coverage.

Last Friday, a train belonging to Norfolk Southern, one of America’s leading rail operators, derailed near the Pennsylvania border, leaving what the Associated Press called “a mangled and charred mass of boxcars and flames” just outside the village of East Palestine, home to about 5,000 people. The crash created a 50-car pileup—half the train’s length. According to Norfolk Southern, a fifth of the cars were carrying hazardous materials.

The wreckage proceeded to burn ominously all weekend. By Sunday evening, residents near the train tracks were told to “immediately evacuate” in a sudden alert from the office of Governor Mike DeWine. He went on to warn: “There is now the potential of catastrophic tanker failure which could cause an explosion with the potential of deadly shrapnel traveling up to a mile.”

Apparently a particular cause for concern were 14 giant tankers that were “exposed to fire” while full of hundreds of thousands of gallons of vinyl chloride. A chemical used in PVC, vinyl chloride is flammable, toxic, and a declared brain, lung, blood, and liver carcinogen. The federal government banned it from household spray cans in 1974. Breathing it “can make you dizzy or sleepy, or have a headache,” a fact sheet released two days ago by the Ohio Department of Health alerts readers. “You can die from breathing extremely high levels of vinyl chloride.”

It also boils at just 8 degrees Fahrenheit—meaning moving it into containers that cleanup crews could cart away probably wasn’t a safe option.

Instead, what authorities decided to do on Monday was a controlled burn of the chemical. That required evacuating more of East Palestine, since burning vinyl chloride was going to send massive plumes of hydrochloric acid and the toxic gas phosgene into the sky.

The burn alarmed people observing it from various positions, who maybe had a different idea of “controlled”:

Residents told the local news they “fear[ed] for their lives.” One said that even indoors, “You could smell it and taste it, and I had a headache.” Meanwhile, the crash site was leaching other hazardous materials besides vinyl chloride. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) says they seeped into surrounding waterways, and “were immediately toxic to fish”—though it added that “actions were taken to minimize that.” The agency has assured the public that, the poor aquatic life’s fate notwithstanding, everybody’s drinking water was “protected.”

“ALL READINGS NORMAL”
Yesterday, the agency announced that the air in East Palestine was finally deemed safe enough for residents to return. Multiple samples from “strategic locations” had been taken; all readings were “at normal concentrations, normal backgrounds, which you find in almost any community,” the EPA said. Officials said they’ve also installed “a series of containment measures” to limit environmental impact from the site’s water runoff, and add that they’ll continue taking daily water samples from area creeks, water wells, and the Ohio River.

But reentering that “evacuation zone” isn’t that appealing yet to everyone, despite authorities’ reassurances. Some are circulating claims, unverified, about neighbors’ livestock dying. “Norfolk Southern assures us that the vinyl chloride spilling from the tanks of their derailed train and burning and turning into hydrogen chloride as it rises into the atmosphere and mixes with water vapor then turning into hydrochloric acid is not dangerous to humans more than 2 miles away,” tweeted Robert Atkinson, an International Brotherhood of Teamsters rep living in the area. “Why would I EVER doubt their word??????? It’s not like vinyl chloride in doses more than one part per million over an 8-hour period is extremely harmful to humans, and it’s not like hundreds of thousands of pounds of resulting toxic acid in the air is bad for humans either.”

Making things worse, a reporter for the media network NewsNation was arrested yesterday during the news event where Governor DeWine discussed the evacuation order being lifted, drawing a stern rebuke on Thursday afternoon from the Society of Professional Journalists, and also stoking rumors that Eastern Ohio was somehow becoming the scene of an environmental-disaster government coverup.

Meanwhile, given the definite white noise vibe going on, the lawsuits have also started filtering in. According to the AP, on Tuesday three locals filed a suit against Norfolk Southern alleging negligence and exposure to toxic chemicals. They’re asking the judge to make it a class-action for all affected residents and businesses, plus anyone who may have been physically harmed by spilled chemicals. We’ve reached out to Norfolk Southern for comment.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 11:51 am
@Lash,
Um, the Railway Labor Act was signed in 1926, well before Biden was president — or even born.

Meanwhile:
Quote:
After sustained pressure from organized workers and their allies, freight rail giant CSX Transportation agreed Tuesday to provide 5,000 employees in two unions with four days of paid sick leave each year—an industry-first move progressive said should serve as an example for other companies to follow.

source
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 12:16 pm
Biden directly intervened to block the railway workers’ ability to strike. The workers are cut to bare bones. They don’t have the time or basic manpower to do appropriate safety checks. Biden and Mayo Pete are directly responsible. No distractions, lies, or equivocations can change that fact.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/ohio-train-derailment-wake-up-call
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Ineffective oversight and a largely self-monitoring industry that has cut the nation’s rail workforce to the bone in recent years as it puts record profits over safety is responsible for the wreck, said Ron Kaminkow, an Amtrak locomotive engineer and former Norfolk Southern freight engineer.
“The Palestine wreck is the tip of the iceberg and a red flag,” said Kaminkow, who is secretary for the Railroad Workers United, a non-profit labor group that coordinates with the nation’s rail unions. “If something is not done, then it’s going to get worse, and the next derailment could be cataclysmic.”

About 4.5m tons of toxic chemicals are shipped by rail each year and an average of 12,000 rail cars carrying hazardous materials pass through cities and towns each day, according to the US Department of Transportation.
The latest accident comes after 47 people were killed in the town of Lac-Megantic, Quebec, in 2013 when a runaway train exploded. In February 2020, a crude oil train derailed and exploded outside Guernsey, Saskatchewan, and an ethanol train in Kentucky derailed and burst into flames a week later.
The Pittsburgh region alone has seen eight train derailments over the last five years, according to the public health advocacy group Rail Pollution Protection Pittsburgh (RPPP), and about 1,700 annually occur nationally. The causes of the Pittsburgh accidents highlight the myriad ways in which things can go wrong. A crack in a track ignored by rail companies caused a 2018 derailment, while another train hit a dump truck at a crossing with inadequate safety equipment. A broken axle on a train car is thought to be the source of the East Palestine accident.

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The Railroad Workers United pinned the threat on rail industry cuts to inspection staff and the elimination of safety protocol. The East Palestine train was hurried, the non-profit said in a statement, and though a cause hasn’t been fully determined, it appears the train was not properly inspected.
Rail companies laid off more than 20,000 rail workers during a year period in 2018-2019, representing the biggest layoffs in rail since the Great Recession, and the nation’s rail force has dipped below 200,000 – the lowest level ever, and down from 1 million at its peak.
“They have cut the hell out of the workforce, and there are big plans to cut it further,” Kaminkow said. “Just because the rail companies are profitable doesn’t mean they’re healthy.”

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Where’s Biden appointee, Mayo Pete? Airline failures, train derailments, massive environmental failures. Eminently qualified, though, surely.

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vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 03:17 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Can you provide an example of a present-day progressive who does not engage in outrageously bad behavior?

vikorr wrote:
Every one that is:
- respectful / courteous
- teaches their children values
- understands and values personal responsibility
- understands and values community
- charitable by nature
- believes in fairness
- supportive of their loved ones
- values high self esteem
- etc

oralloy wrote:
When I asked for an example of a good progressive, I wasn't asking for a description of what such a hypothetical being would be like.
A list like the one I posted should be written as AND/OR for each item, not 'a human possessing all these traits'. And us being human, everyone fails from time to time, so each trait should be read as 'the vast majority of the time'

Point being you are attempting to be binary about a person being good or evil, and a group being good or evil, or even individuals identifying under progressive or conservative (many people have a foot in either camp).

People are never as binary as all good or all evil...so groups can't be either (though highly self identified groups can carry out acts of evil). 90+ percent of peole people recognise people aren't binary (black&white), so it makes for a very wierd conversation if one person claims such.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 03:25 pm
@vikorr,
So in other words, you cannot point out any present-day progressive who is a good person.

I'm an example of a good person. I've never committed any atrocities.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 03:26 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Perhaps somebody has forgotten the expressions of concern and the hopes for a speedy recovery posted by the progressives, liberals, and commies on this site when he returned after suffering a serious heart attack. Very telling -- and a bit repugnant. As my grandmother used to say, "God, grant me a grateful heart."

Does that exempt progressives from criticism when they do horrible things?

I'm reminded of the old Catholic doctrine that the Protestants rebelled against some 500 years ago. "Do good works and it doesn't matter if you also commit atrocities." (Not that the system that the Protestants came up with to replace it is any better.)

This "somebody" nonsense is a tad offensive. I believe we discussed that a year or two ago. I forget what your justification was, but I remember that I was not persuaded.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 04:49 pm
@oralloy,
You and I differ in that I don't bother classing people as X or Y. All that does is set you up to fail to be objective.

Even if they themselves strongly self identify as X or Y, the truth is they will have multiple different traits that don't fit into that category, so judging via a label even in this situation is inaccurate, and once again, sets you up to fail to be objective.

I find the use of labels for people, such as progressive / conservative / left / right / good / evil to be simplistic and non-encompassing (ie. not dealing with the full reality of a person) - they are used by people who don't want to (or can't) deal with the complexities of human beings.

The only possible way to be objective is to judge the idea or act on its own merit.

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If you want another perspective on it, Labels are what allows people to engage in racism, misoginism, homophobism etc. Because once you label, you can look for what fits your narative and ignore what doesn't, or you can jump the 'obvious' (label driven) conclusion. Labels are perhaps the main issue that undermines objectivity.

Again, labels are for those who have a simplistic view of human beings / lack comphrension of the complexity of human beings, and those labels (and the underlying reasons for using them) undermine objectivity
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 05:17 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:


You and I differ in that I don't bother classing people as X or Y. All that does is set you up to fail to be objective.

Even if they themselves strongly self identify as X or Y, the truth is they will have multiple different traits that don't fit into that category, so judging via a label even in this situation is inaccurate, and once again, sets you up to fail to be objective.

I find the use of labels for people, such as progressive / conservative / left / right / good / evil to be simplistic and non-encompassing (ie. not dealing with the full reality of a person) - they are used by people who don't want to (or can't) deal with the complexities of human beings.

The only possible way to be objective is to judge the idea or act on its own merit.

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If you want another perspective on it, Labels are what allows people to engage in racism, misoginism, homophobism etc. Because once you label, you can look for what fits your narative and ignore what doesn't, or you can jump the 'obvious' (label driven) conclusion. Labels are perhaps the main issue that undermines objectivity.

Again, labels are for those who have a simplistic view of human beings / lack comphrension of the complexity of human beings, and those labels (and the underlying reasons for using them) undermine objectivity



Excellent, inciteful post, Vikorr.

Thanks.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 05:20 pm
@vikorr,
People who commit atrocities are bad people.

Progressives commit atrocities. They do so willfully, and they do so frequently.

Progressives also are racists. They hate white people.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2023 06:15 pm
@oralloy,
Which post fully illustrates the points I made.
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