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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:45 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

It's called sarcasm. I'm mid-seventies. 18 to 150 works for me. I believe most prisoners should have this civil right, too.


Missed that Bobsal.

Mea Culpa.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:49 am
@hightor,
Quote:
On Monday, just before The Associated Press called Ms. Lake’s defeat, Ms. Cheney responded: “You’re welcome, @KariLake.”

nyt


She does have a sharp wit.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:52 am
@Frank Apisa,
It’s always important for me to do the next right thing. That may be what everyone here is doing.

I *cannot* accept that I’ve been relegated to pretending to consent to perpetuate what happens in Congress. I dissent. I refuse to assume the position.

I think that in 2016, if everyone who knew Sanders’ policies were exactly what we needed *had voted for him*, we’d be nearing a decade of massive improvements in this country for the 90% rather than hearing the death rattle of our democracy.



Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:52 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:


Quote:
We do not HAVE to defund the police...and we WILL NOT defund the police.


Quote:
CLAIM
Top Congressional Republicans attacked the Democrats on police funding.

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise said "The left wants to defund the police."

CONCLUSION
While some Democrats have joined calls for a radical shift in police policy, including a reduction in police budgets, top congressional Democrats and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden have not supported calls to "defund the police."
here

Is there even a single Dem in Congress who has called for this? Rightwing voices have taken the phrase/motto of citizens who are understandably angry as hell over centuries of maltreatment of (mainly) African Americans and have been using it to paint the left as proponents of the notion. That's a lie, obviously. But Lash finds it convenient to echo the rightwing disinformation tactic.


Yup.

I despise the fact that so many police officers think it okay to treat blacks like scum...and to react to situation where blacks are involved in ways they would never do if the it were whites instead. I think of that white punk walking back to police lines carrying a weapon after having shot three people (killing two of them)...and being welcomed back. If he had been black, a coroner would have had trouble counting the entry wounds!

I can't even imagine what I would feel like if I were black in America...how much rage and anger I would express. I suspect I would be among the most militant of the militant.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
That’s the most powerful statement I’ve ever seen from you, Frank. Agree to the core.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 10:59 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It’s always important for me to do the next right thing. That may be what everyone here is doing.

I *cannot* accept that I’ve been relegated to pretending to consent to perpetuate what happens in Congress. I dissent. I refuse to assume the position.

I think that in 2016, if everyone who knew Sanders’ policies were exactly what we needed *had voted for him*, we’d be nearing a decade of massive improvements in this country for the 90% rather than hearing the death rattle of our democracy.



You are so wrong...I do the word "wrong" an injustice by using it here, Lash.

Bernie Sanders would have been buried in that election. The only thing he and his supporters could do...is what they did. Help Trump to win.

I cannot imagine it feels good to have done so, but...I do not think it beyond you to feel great that Hillary lost even if it meant that Trump won.

Bernie supporters in 2016 were more like the patriots of January 6th than the patriots of 1776.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:06 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Formerly progressive Democrats caved to fear about the term ‘defund the police.’
Name them and show they "caved".


I’m thinking you know their names, but if you don’t, try Google.

https://local12.com/amp/news/nation-world/squad-member-who-pushed-to-defund-police-spent-thousands-on-private-security-reports-say-ayanna-pressley

(More at link)
Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., a founding member of “the squad,” a group of Representatives in Congress who are fierce advocates for the divestment of police funding and promote the abolishment of police, reportedly spent $63,000 on personal security services in 2021.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:10 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Formerly progressive Democrats caved to fear about the term ‘defund the police.’
Name them and show they "caved".


https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/in-the-news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-was-asked-about-defunding-police-and-her-answer-went

Excerpt:

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is among the proponents of the call to defund the police, and a recent post on her Instagram story on the subject quickly went viral, after it was screenshotted and shared by Twitter user Ashley Quan. Asked, "What does an America with defunded police look like to you?" Ocasio-Cortez responded, "It looks like a suburb."

"Affluent white communities already live in a world where the choose to fund youth, health, housing etc more than they fund police," Ocasio-Cortez explained. "When a teenager or preteen does something harmful in a suburb (I say teen bc this is often where lifelong carceral cycles begin for Black and Brown communities), White communities bend over backwards to find alternatives to incarceration for their loved ones to 'protect their future,' like community service or rehab or restorative measures. Why don't we treat Black and Brown people the same way?
___________________

I loved her answer. Too bad she caved.
revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:18 am
Quote:
After their party’s disappointing performance in the midterms, Republican elites seem to have decided that Donald Trump is their big problem. The Murdoch media empire has been trashing the former president. Many donors and operatives are reportedly rallying around Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida. But Trump, who is widely expected to announce his 2024 presidential campaign on Tuesday, won’t go quietly.

Will Trump secure the nomination despite elite qualms? If he doesn’t, will a man who has never shown any loyalty to his party or, for that matter, anyone but himself, sabotage the G.O.P. out of spite? I don’t know more than anyone else who follows the news.

Let’s talk instead about how remarkable it is that someone like Trump managed to dominate one of America’s two major political parties and surely retains a substantial base.

I’m not talking about the fact that Trump holds what I consider reprehensible policy views or even the fact that he engaged in several acts, including an attempt to overturn a national election, that can reasonably be described as seditious. Clearly, most of the G.O.P. is OK with all of that.

I’m talking instead about the evident perception by many Republicans that Trump is a strong leader, when he is in reality extraordinarily weak.

Start with personal character — not my favorite subject (I’m much more comfortable talking about policy), but something that clearly matters when you’re choosing a commander in chief.

I don’t think it’s romanticizing the past to say that once upon a time politicians who sought the presidency had to appear, well, presidential. That is, they had to display gravitas and dignity; whatever their behavior behind closed doors, in public they had to appear mature and self-controlled.

Trump, however, comes across as 76 going on a very bratty 14. He veers, sometimes in consecutive sentences, between cringeworthy boasting (what kind of person describes himself as a stable genius?) and whining, between bombast and self-pity.

Beyond personal affect, what stands out about Trump’s time in office is his weakness, his inability to get things done.

On domestic policy, Trump ran in 2016 as a different kind of Republican, one who would break with the party’s tax-cutting, anti-government orthodoxy. Once in the White House, however, he was putty in Mitch McConnell’s hands. His only major domestic policy initiatives were a failed attempt to repeal Obamacare and a standard-issue G.O.P. tax cut for corporations and the wealthy.

What about his promises to invest in infrastructure? Nothing came of them: “It’s Infrastructure Week!” became a running joke.

On foreign policy, North Korea’s Kim Jong-un played Trump for a fool with empty reassurances about denuclearization. China’s Xi Jinping did much the same over trade, getting Trump to pause his tariff hikes in return for a promise to buy U.S. goods that proved entirely empty.

In short, Trump’s performance in office was feeble — especially compared with that of his successor.

President Biden didn’t get everything he wanted on domestic policy, but he did get a major infrastructure bill and, in the Inflation Reduction Act, both unprecedented spending to fight climate change and a significant strengthening of health care. And Democrats’ unexpectedly strong showing in the midterms probably ensures that these policy successes will endure.

Overseas, Biden assembled and held together a coalition in support of Ukraine that has enabled the invaded nation to resist Russia’s attack — a huge foreign-policy success reminiscent of America’s pre-Pearl Harbor role as the “arsenal of democracy.” And Biden’s China policy, centering on export restrictions designed to undermine China’s technological ambitions, is vastly more aggressive than anything Trump did, even if it hasn’t gotten nearly as much media attention.

Yet Biden is often portrayed as weak and out of it, while Trump was perceived by 90 percent of Republicans as a “strong leader” on the day he grudgingly left office. How is this possible?

The Trump personality cult may have been enabled in part by forces that go beyond politics. After all, we used to expect dignified behavior from captains of industry as well as politicians. But these days, perhaps because celebrity culture infects everything, business leaders are taken seriously even when they seem unable to refrain from flamboyant displays of ego and insecurity. (Cough. Elon Musk. Cough.)

Also, the Republican elites trying to distance themselves from Trump spent years fluffing his image. Until a few days ago Fox News, the main source of political information for much of the G.O.P. base, gave Trump the kind of hagiographic coverage you’d expect from state media in a dictatorship.

And Republican politicians, many of whom knew Trump for what he was, spent years praising him in language reminiscent of Politburo members praising the party chairman.

Now those same elites want to push Trump out of the picture. But while they may be able to deny him the nomination, they probably won’t be able to avoid paying a heavy price for their past cowardice.


nyt
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
The Brookings Institute piece that Lash linked is very good in terms of identifying problems and pointing to where remedies ought to be put in place and what those remedies might look like. Lots of work has been done over many years by those in social sciences, law and policy on improving police forces, as should happen.

But Lash's complaints are that "progressives" have cowered in fear over the phrase "defund he police" and have therefore lost opportunities to bring such changes into effect. The implication is that those "progressives" aren't really legitimate progressives and bear significant responsibility for little change having been accomplished in this sphere. This echoes a common theme with her (eg Warren isn't a legitimate "leftie"). Or to put it another way, "Don't support the Dems".

She gets it mostly right when she says that the Reagan period is where pro-police rhetoric/ideology ramped up but of course Nixon was no slouch on the campaign to suggest that "Democrats are soft on crime". This is a long standing wedge issue (and falsehood) Republicans have been pushing since at least the 60s as a means to derogate the Dems AND to foster fears among their base and beyond if that can be managed. Not merely fears of chaos but particularly fears of blacks.

As to the phrase, "defund the police", there are very good reasons to eschew the phrase, the main reason being that the literal meaning fits perfectly for rightwing agitprop purposes which is rather clearly evidenced by anything that's ever been said on Fox where that phrase is in play.

Now let's see if Lash can find ANY instance where some progressive or moderate Dem has dropped any prior initiatives they were involved with to improve policing.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:30 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., a founding member of “the squad,” a group of Representatives in Congress who are fierce advocates for the divestment of police funding and promote the abolishment of police, reportedly spent $63,000 on personal security services in 2021.

You have to be kidding. Not only do you link to a piece quoting the Daily Caller, you provide that for confirmation of your claim. A progressive member or members incur costs for their personal protection (in the face of very real threats) therefore she/he or they caved to fears about the "defund the police" phrase and thus have thwarted initiatives to improve policing. That's your argument?
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:33 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
We do not HAVE to defund the police...and we WILL NOT defund the police.


Quote:
CLAIM
Top Congressional Republicans attacked the Democrats on police funding.

House Minority Whip Steve Scalise said "The left wants to defund the police."

CONCLUSION
While some Democrats have joined calls for a radical shift in police policy, including a reduction in police budgets, top congressional Democrats and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden have not supported calls to "defund the police."



here

Is there even a single Dem in Congress who has called for this? Rightwing voices have taken the phrase/motto of citizens who are understandably angry as hell over centuries of maltreatment of (mainly) African Americans and have been using it to paint the left as proponents of the notion. That's a lie, obviously. But Lash finds it convenient to echo the rightwing disinformation tactic.

I don’t know, Blatham. Which of your lies am I suppose to be proving?? That Dems in Congress actually called stridently for Defund the Police?? Let’s start with that one.

How about YOU admitting the squad did passionately call for Defunding the Police.
————————

See how he so casually called a FACT rightwing ‘disinformation’??

Disgusting fascist behavior.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:37 am
Anyone marginally informed is well aware that all members of the squad spoke forcefully for defunding police—and not long after Pelosi and Biden pushed back very specially, most of them fell silent about the topic.

You lied and then tried to frame me as passing around ‘disinformation’.
Deplorable.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:42 am
@Lash,
The squad was never very influential in the democrat party. Most democrats didn't and still don't support defunding the police. All along that phrase implies to completely take away all funds from the police. There was never a recognizable plan articulated that I know of. All we heard was "defund the police." Completely different from police reform.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:43 am
@Lash,
Code:Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

So, she used the phrase. She then made smart and thoughtful comments in an interview to point to the differences in policing in mainly black communities versus white middle class neighborhoods. Nothing wrong there (other than another use of a phrase too easy to use bad bad actors propagandistically).

Then you say, "Too bad she caved" while presenting no evidence she caved.

Earlier, you've suggested that even Bernie Sanders has failed as a progressive. It really looks like the only legitimate progressive discourse you might find these days would be in a discussion between Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 11:47 am
While police reform is worthy discussion, we are falling down the rabbit hole again.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 12:02 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
2. Education has been defunded for decades, mental health services are gutted. We need to reallocate federal money to produce an educated populace and find decent services—residential and therapeutic—for people who are homeless or one psychotic episode from a mass shooting event. Real problems can be solved with reallocation of funds, but it takes desire to fix these problems. Our current crop of elected villains does not want an educated populace or to solve homelessness.


This is a very simplistic approach for funding Education. The majority of financing for schools come from property taxes. In which Multi-family units and senior citizens try to minimize their obligation.

Most school levies fail because people feel Administration takes too much of the chunk of the budget for what they actually do. In my county alone, seven districts failed to pass a levy for this one issue.

Teacher shortages, continuous testing, lack of resources, shootings... Hell, I don't have to tell you, you live it.

Some states don't fund Education with property taxes, the use of a sales tax is used instead. Plus the re-allocation of public school funds now going to private or religious schools also hurts the bottom line.

I think it's foolish to claim there's no desire to fix Education. There's just disadvantages to each type of funding.

blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 12:03 pm
This dude is a sociopath
Quote:
Ted Cruz @tedcruz
3h
We need strong, principled conservatives in the Senate to stand and lead as happy warriors!

We can’t roll over when faced with the disastrous policies from Democrats!
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 12:06 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
While police reform is worthy discussion, we are falling down the rabbit hole again.

But that's not what this is really about, rev. It's just another vector for attacking Dems.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2022 12:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It seems we have the same opinion of one another’s efforts in 2016.
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