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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 06:45 am
@neptuneblue,
It was the answer you didn’t know you needed.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 07:03 am
@Lash,
Actually in a lot of the US, your home is considered to be your castle. This is how people can escape a guilty verdict if they harm an intruder. And whether they appear even remotely chummy with their attacker is immaterial.

I don't imagine I would be thinking straight if I had the adrenaline going and I was in fear. And would I do something that seems dumb in hindsight? Probably.

He had just been hit in the head with a ******* hammer.

You, on the other hand, are sitting in your comfortable home, with the beverage of your choice in hand and 20/20 hindsight.

And, presumably, you have not been assaulted with a hammer, either now or in the past.

Have you? Because then your experience and opinion would be salient. And then you could tell us all how logical and rational you are, and how much more logical and rational you are than everyone else. Throw in genius and some IQ numbers while you're at it, please. If you're gonna go there, go all in, I say.

And if you'd like to add cuter, thinner, and with better cholesterol numbers, then have at it.

Otherwise, rather than doubling and tripling down on the political rhetoric, how about toning it down and, if you simply must say something (You don't. Seriously, the world will not stop spinning if you leave this topic for a day or forever), then maybe talk about the clear need for the family of the person second in line to the presidency to have some protection.

And now, to all -- let's step back. It's the weekend. Enjoy the good things life has to offer.

Endlessly discussing politics with people whose minds you will never change is not one of them.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 07:33 am
@jespah,
A word to the wise, Jespah. I‘ll give it the old college try.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 08:49 am
Quote:
He had just been hit in the head with a ******* hammer.

According to police reports, at the point you inserted the quote above, he had not yet been hit with the ******* hammer.

Will happily return to waiting for video.


revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 09:57 am
@Lash,
You have no proof of any liars or their stories. Just wild speculation because from your biased point of view, it doesn't add up.

Well, good grief, Pelosi was dealing with a person with obvious mental issues, he was trying to placate him plus get help at the same time from what I gathered from what I read so far. But go ahead with your certainty that the story that is emerging is another big cover up from the democrats and the FBI and the mainstream media.

You are fooling no one but yourself. Why not just admit you are now supporting the MAGA and have done with it? If you don't support it, you support all their conspiracies, which is bad enough.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:30 am
@Lash,
Why is this so important to you? Is Pelosi related to you? Why do you even care? He has family to take care of him. Why not take on an IMPORTANT issue? This is boring.

And as for his actions, he may have been in shock - who wouldn't be? His wife's name was being called out, so he probably figured this to be a political-in-nature event. He is 82. He's not a hero. Let it go. You see conspiracies behind everything.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:31 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

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Just how the hell do you plan on doing that? All you can do is vote.


How un-American is that quote? How historically inaccurate?

You're completely out of the picture, when it comes to Americans taking their rights seriously.



So what are you suggesting one do? Take up arms? Form a militia?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:37 am
@revelette1,
The only claims I make are directly from claims made in the varying police reports and varying news releases.

Beyond that confusion, I’m waiting for security surveillance footage to confirm a couple of the more inconsistent details in news and police reports.

I’m sure you have more important things to do than make accusations against me just because I don’t automatically buy this nutty, changing story.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:39 am
@Mame,
If it’s so boring, why spend so much time arguing about it?
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 10:59 am
@Lash,
You're the one investing so much energy into this. And you still haven't answered the question. You must have nothing much going on in your life to waste so much time and space on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you, and with so much speculation. Do you read the National Enquirer, too?
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2022 11:09 am
@Mame,
I’d told people here I was done four pages ago.
Yet, you all keep going.
Why don’t you move on?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:01 pm
Excellent article in the NY Times yesterday. Definite must-read. (Just one relevant example... “'Just produce the police body cam, — why is that so hard?' Mr. Carlson demanded on his show on Wednesday night.")Here's the introduction...
Quote:
How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. ThompsonNov. 5, 2022

WASHINGTON — Within hours of the brutal attack last month on Paul Pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the House, activists and media outlets on the right began circulating groundless claims — nearly all of them sinister, and many homophobic — casting doubt on what had happened.

Some Republican officials quickly joined in, rushing to suggest that the bludgeoning of an octogenarian by a suspect obsessed with right-wing conspiracy theories was something else altogether, dismissing it as an inside job, a lover’s quarrel or worse.

The misinformation came from all levels of Republican politics. A U.S. senator circulated the view that “none of us will ever know” what really happened at the Pelosis’ San Francisco home. A senior Republican congressman referred to the attacker as a “nudist hippie male prostitute,” baselessly asserting that the suspect had a personal relationship with Mr. Pelosi. Former President Donald J. Trump questioned whether the attack might have been staged.

The world’s richest man helped amplify the stories. But none of it was true...
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:17 pm
@blatham,
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The disinformation surrounding the attack on Mr. Pelosi presented many of the standard elements of alt-right conspiracy theories, which relish a culture of “do your own research,” casting skepticism on official accounts, and tend to focus on lurid sexual activities or issues related to children, often driven by a fear of society becoming immoral.

Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation expert, said no amount of evidence — be it police body camera footage or anything else — could get in the way of such falsehoods in the eyes of those who do not want to believe facts.

“It doesn’t matter when there are documents or sworn testimony claiming something is, in fact, not the case,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “There will be an elaborate reframing effort. If the footage was released, people would claim it was fabricated. There’s no bottom.”

(...)
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:25 pm
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On the holiest night of the Jewish year earlier this month, my rabbi looked up from his Kol Nidre sermon — a homily about protecting America’s liberal democracy — and posed a question that wasn’t in his prepared text: “How many people in the last few years have been at a dining room conversation where the conversation has turned to where might we move? How many of us?”

He was talking about the unthinkable: that Jews might need to flee the United States. In the congregation, many hands — most? — went up.

The sermon included a quotation from the Jewish scholar Michael Holzman: “For American Jews, the disappearance of liberal democracy would be a disaster. … We have flourished under the shelter of the principles behind the First Amendment, and we have been protected by the absolute belief in the rule of law. Without these, Jews, start packing suitcases.”

The fear of exile has become common as Jews see the unraveling rule of law, ascendant Christian nationalists and anti-Israel sentiments turning antisemitic on the far left. Wondering where Jews might move “is among the most frequently asked questions that I get,” Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League, told me.

Incidents of antisemitic harassment, vandalism and assault nearly tripled between 2015 and 2021, the ADL reports, and it says 2022 attacks are on pace with last year’s record level. This week was the fourth anniversary of the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre, which was followed by other synagogue attacks in 2019 and earlier this year. One in 4 U.S. Jews has experienced antisemitism in the past year.

Now we have Kanye West, who now goes by Ye, unleashing a torrent of filth on social media (“death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE”), white supremacists applauding him (and giving Nazi salutes to Los Angeles motorists), Elon Musk’s Twitter preparing to welcome white supremacists, and the Pennsylvania Republican gubernatorial nominee deploying antisemitism against his Jewish opponent.

The leader of the Republican Party, who remains the top presidential contender for 2024, reacted to Ye’s attacks on Jews by saying, “He was really nice to me.” Donald Trump compared Jews unfavorably to “our wonderful Evangelicals” and warned Jews to “get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel — Before it is too late.”

The threat was the latest of many Trump claims that Jews have a dual loyalty and are not fully American. As usual, Republicans were mostly silent.

For Jews, just 2 percent of the population but the targets of 55 percent of reported religiously motivated hate crimes, the trend revives centuries-old fears. This is not to compare Jewish victimhood to other groups that have had it much worse in this country; most Jews are White and benefit from associated privilege. But until the American experiment, Jews in the diaspora were marginalized, ghettoized, persecuted and eventually converted, exiled or killed. “As Jews, we know at some point the music stops,” Greenblatt said. “This is burned into the collective consciousness of every Jewish person.”

The United States has until now been different because of our constitutional protections of minority rights: our bedrock principles of equal treatment under law, free expression and free exercise of religion. Now, the MAGA crowd is attacking the very notion of minority rights. Ascendant Christian nationalists, with a sympathetic Supreme Court, are dismantling the separation between church and state. Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), for example, calls the principle “junk that’s not in the Constitution” and claims “the church is supposed to direct the government.” Red states, again with an agreeable Supreme Court, are rolling back minority voting rights and decades of civil rights protections. And leading it all is Trump, threatening violence and going to “war with the rule of law,” as Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) puts it.

Without these protections, there is no safety in the United States for Jews — or, really, for any of us. In a perverse sense, Trump’s MAGA movement shares the fear of becoming a persecuted minority. The whole notion of the bogus “great replacement” conspiracy belief is that some nefarious elite is scheming to import immigrants of color to marginalize White people.

In reality, it will be almost a quarter-century before White people are no longer a majority in this country — and they should remain a plurality well into the next century, at least. But if white nationalists truly fear becoming an oppressed minority, the best way to guard against that is to fortify minority rights. The rule of law protects us — all of us — from tyranny.

I admit I’ve thought about where my family might go if the worst happened here. But we’re not going anywhere. The only choice is to stay and fight for our liberal democracy. As my rabbi, Danny Zemel, put it on Kol Nidre: “If there is a Jewish message for our time, it is to support our great experiment with every fiber of our being.”

If it isn’t safe here, it won’t be safe anywhere.
HERE
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:31 pm
@hightor,
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“It doesn’t matter when there are documents or sworn testimony claiming something is, in fact, not the case,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “There will be an elaborate reframing effort. If the footage was released, people would claim it was fabricated. There’s no bottom.”

Oh yes! We can see that coming down the pike.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:36 pm
@blatham,
In fact, one is literally at a loss for words when one has to refute "They're all lying after all".
BillW
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
But, in fact, they are! It is unbelievable that it has come to this.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 01:49 pm
@blatham,
I was among those who clamored for Kyrie to just ******* apologize and get on with things. And I have been tired of his penchant for causing drama in this, and on several other occasions.

But after they suspended him, he finally came out with what I thought was a perfectly serviceable apology. It might even have had some sincerity.

That’s when it got weird for me. Because following his apology, ESPN had a Rabbi in a panel discussion about Kyrie. The guy said the apology was “a good first step”, but that the Nets and the NBA should mandate professional counseling for Kyrie, and take further steps to ensure this kind of terrible offense against the Jewish community never happens again… and on and on.

Antisemitism, just like hatred against any group based solely on their religion or ethnicity, is wrong. But the level of punishment and outrage toward Kyrie Irving has taken on a warped feeling.

I don’t want to resort to whataboutism, but for perspective I could list several others who have made antisemetic comments with no where close to this kind of scrutiny and backlash.

If I wasn’t so thoroughly convinced of the scrupulous equanimity of all white people in positions of authority, I might start thinking that Kyrie is receiving such severe treatment because he’s black.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 02:36 pm
@snood,
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If I wasn’t so thoroughly convinced of the scrupulous equanimity of all white people in positions of authority, I might start thinking that Kyrie is receiving such severe treatment because he’s black.

It's tough, I think, to untangle these factors. We feel oddly betrayed when our sports (or entertainment) heroes disappoint us. Would a white quarterback bending the knee have been received differently than Colin Kaepernick? Almost certainly, I suspect. I was crushed by revelations regarding both Louis CK and Bill Cosby but much more deeply with Cosby because I loved the guy so much. And a fundamental part of that love had to do with him being exceptionally funny and bright and the first black man to get a lead role in a TV series where he was more than a prop and then his second big series which portrayed a black family as, in all important respects, as fine a family as America might hope to produce. It can get complicated.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2022 02:51 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

the Nets and the NBA should mandate professional counseling for Kyrie, and take further steps to ensure this kind of terrible offense against the Jewish community never happens again.


I must admit knowing nothing about this. I don't follow American sports, but professional counselling doesn't sound extreme.

Isn't that what most people have to go through. Mel Gibson had to go through counselling although that was probably more to do with his drinking than antisemitism.

Although his career did dip for a while, but he's back now.

I'm not talking about Fox news shits but others, how has their antisemitism been treayed diferently?
 

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