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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 12:06 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:


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Okay, I apologize to you for having stretched things.


Are you okay?


Yeah.

I did miss a birdy putt of less than three feet today, but...yeah. I'm okay.

Before going to play this morning I checked in and read the post where Hightor mentioned my ire and withering sarcasm. It kinda knocked me for a loop. I've never exchanged a bad word with Hightor ever...that I remember. Mostly up vote his (and your) posts. You and I have clashed so often, I think both of us treat it like a duck does water. But his comment stayed with me. He may have just been screwing around, but after asking if he was on the other thing, I thought it best to just leave it be.

I've been trying my best to be on good behavior. Edgar has drawn some **** from me, but very, very mild. He's called me stupid, psychotic, a bully, a jerk...and has put me on IGNORE...and I have never replied in kind. Bulma gets some grief from me...but if anyone deserves some grief, Bulma does.

Just tryin' to get along. Whole goddam world has gone nuts. I don't want to add any crap to the pile.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 12:07 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

lol


Gotta admit. I laughed when I saw that myself.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 12:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I know, right? I believe he meant it sincerely, which is why it was so funny. And I happen to really like 'withering sarcasm/ire' or whatever was said Smile I need to follow you or something so I can read your exchanges with Bulma, I think Smile
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 02:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, you should know that I like the person you are here, and would probably like you anywhere else. We've had a few arguments but they were based on philosophiocal differences and I never felt personally offended. Hell, that irascible side of you is part of your charm and utility. Sitting on the sidelines and reading your responses to Bulma and a few others is always an enjoyable rhetorical adventure.

(Hey, I wanted to ask you the name of that really picturesque golf course in NJ that you once mentioned.)
snood
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 03:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, I would no more change you on A2K than I would switch my morning coffee to decaf. Keep on shining man.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2022 03:51 pm
@snood,
I second that thought.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 02:55 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Frank, you should know that I like the person you are here, and would probably like you anywhere else. We've had a few arguments but they were based on philosophiocal differences and I never felt personally offended. Hell, that irascible side of you is part of your charm and utility. Sitting on the sidelines and reading your responses to Bulma and a few others is always an enjoyable rhetorical adventure.

(Hey, I wanted to ask you the name of that really picturesque golf course in NJ that you once mentioned.)



Thanks, H.

New Jersey's best golf course is Pine Valley Golf Club, which is often voted the best golf course in America...and in the world.

https://golf.com/travel/courses/top-100-courses-world-ranking-2021-2022/
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 02:56 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Frank, I would no more change you on A2K than I would switch my morning coffee to decaf. Keep on shining man.


Thanks, Snood.

After all these nice comments, maybe today I will not screw up an easy putt like I did yesterday.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 02:59 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Thanks, Bobsal.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 06:27 am
Elon Musk Is a Problem Masquerading as a Solution

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It is a perfect marriage for an age of plutocracy: Twitter with its serious problems and Elon Musk, the embodiment of those problems. What happens when the incarnation of a problem buys the right to decide what the problem is and how to fix it?

Twitter has a disinformation problem — fake news about Covid vaccines, climate and more running buck wild across the platform. Mr. Musk has shown himself to be a highly capable peddler of dubious claims, whether putting out misleading financial information or calling the British diver who helped rescue trapped schoolboys in Thailand a “pedo guy.”

Twitter has a racism problem. Time and again, it has failed to consequentially answer the pleas of users of color to address the bigotry and harassment that are endemic for them. Tesla, the carmaker that Mr. Musk runs, has its own racism problem, with many workers complaining to the press and California’s Department of Fair Employment and Housing suing the company over an allegedly pervasive problem of racialized degradation. The agency recently described one of Tesla’s plants as “a racially segregated workplace” rife with slurs as well as discrimination “in job assignments, discipline, pay and promotion.”

Twitter has a bullying and harassment problem, and the subtler but related challenge of bringing out the worst, not the best, in all of us. Mr. Musk is the incarnation of these problems, too. Though you might think that having more than $250 billion, according to Forbes, and wanting to solve the problems of Earth and space would fully occupy someone, he seems to have a compulsive need to belittle people and burp out his least-considered impulses and stoke bullying by his legions of admirers in a way that both reflects and shapes how Twitter is.

And so it’s just perfect, absolutely fitting, that this guy, of all guys, could now own Twitter.

If you’ve been paying attention to how things work in our plutocratic society, this turn of events won’t surprise you. The arsonists routinely cosplay as firefighters. Mark Zuckerberg of Meta (né Facebook) was as responsible as any American for letting hate speech and disinformation run amok on his platforms in the run-up to the 2020 elections, only to donate — with his wife, Priscilla Chan — $300 million to help secure that election from the forces he had helped unleash. Google, having helped shred local news gathering around the country with its massive market power in online advertising, turned around and promised to donate $15 million to the Support Local News campaign. At one point, a member of the Sackler family, whose company Purdue Pharma manufactured and promoted OxyContin and thus helped to spread the opioid epidemic, mused in leaked group chat messages I reviewed and published on my newsletter, The.Ink, about whether the company should “commit to starting a foundation and pledge $1 billion over the next 10 years to play a leading role in addressing the epidemic.”

Mr. Musk’s deal for Twitter starts to feel surreal when you contemplate what it means for the idea of free speech and the attendant cultural debates about who can say what about whom. He styles himself as a libertarian defender of free speech, motivated to crack down on a Twitter management that he believes moderates the discourse to the point of censorship and suppresses certain political speech.

This self-portraiture ignores the extent to which Mr. Musk has a shaky commitment to his own notion of free speech, once canceling the Tesla order of a man who dared to criticize the company on a blog and engaging in the troll baiting that can be a powerful means of making journalists and other interrogators and critics fear the mob pile-ons that could result from writing critically about his interests.

Mr. Musk operates from a flawed, if widespread, misapprehension of the free speech issue facing the country. In his vision, what we may, with help from the philosopher Isaiah Berlin, call negative freedom of speech, the freedom to speak without restraint by powerful authorities, is the only freedom of speech. And so freeing Nazis to Nazi, misogynists to bully and harass and doxx and brigade women, even former president Donald Trump to possibly get his Twitter account back — this cutting of restraints becomes the whole of the project.

But there is also what we may call positive freedom of speech: affirmative steps to create conditions that allow all people to feel and be free to say what they think.

Legally speaking, all American women or people of color or both who were ever talked over in a meeting or denied a book contract or not hired to give their opinion on television enjoy the protections of the First Amendment. The constitutional protection of speech does not, on its own, engender a society in which the chance to be heard is truly abundant and free and equitably distributed.

“Freedom for the wolves has often meant death to the sheep,” Mr. Berlin once said. This is a point often lost on Americans. Government — or large centralized authority — is one threat to liberty but not the only one. When it comes to speech, what has often kept a great many people from speaking isn’t censorship but the lack of a platform. Social media, including Twitter, came along and promised to change that. But when it became a cesspit of hate and harassment for women and people of color in particular, it began to offer a miserable bargain: You can be free to say what you wish, but your life can be made unrelentingly painful if you so dare.

The “censorship” that Mr. Musk performatively deplores consists of efforts to rectify these very real problems of harassment and abuse. Twitter has taken modest but wildly inadequate steps to improve safety on the platform. It has acknowledged it has a problem. It has recognized positive freedom of speech — the creation of a safe and non-life-ruining environment for the airing of thoughts. And it is this that Mr. Musk and his ilk seem to loathe.

This is why his deal to purchase Twitter is so dangerous. In recent years, there has been progress toward positive freedom of speech — real work to give everyone, truly everyone, more meaningful occasion to speak. Mr. Musk apparently wants to shut that down. Instead, in a moment of proto-fascism on the political right, his priority seems to be to undam the flood of bile and bigotry and bullying and disinformation.

The country already faces the very real prospect, starting at noon on Jan. 20, 2025, of a descent toward racist authoritarianism and a protracted slide away from liberal democracy. If your idea of what the country needs in this moment is less clamping down on hate and lies and more rightists gone wild, whew.

The plutocrats have already rigged the economy. That’s just the first step. Then you take some of the spoils and reinvest it in buying even more political influence, so that political inequality can help keep economic inequality yawning. You buy up media or social media platforms and thus can help rig the discourse in your favor, taking control of the tools used by regular people to fight back. You venture, as Mr. Musk did, to a TED conference and, without much pushback, brand yourself as a kind of public intellectual, a thought leader, a visionary, and thereby in many people’s minds you became a sage, not a robber baron.

It doesn’t have to be this way. We can have nice things. But we’re going to have to learn to see through the fraudulent stories that elevate figures like Mr. Musk into heroes. We’re going to have to legislate real guardrails — perhaps like those created by the European Union’s Digital Services Act — on social media platforms that are too big to entrust democracy to. We’re going to have to build nonprofit alternatives to the platforms and see if they can become meaningful venues.

Because a society that outsources the tending of its social interactions to people who behave like sociopaths is a society asking not for freedom but for tyranny.

nyt
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 09:19 am
@hightor,
I have to admit to not contributing much. It just that it seems so hopeless. However, I very much appreciate reading your articles that you bring and hope and pray your freedom to do so remains.
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 09:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
I get what you're saying, like you said, something like a drop in the bucket. I never got on Twitter anyway, but I just hate seeing deplorable's taking over this country.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 09:42 am
@revelette1,
I'm not on Twitter (or any social media) and don't understand what all the fuss is about. If you don't like a forum, don't go there. We had one here where I live which I was on (it was a neighbourhood one) but the people started attacking each other so I just never went back. Everyone can do that with Twitter, FB or any other forum so why all the Chicken Little nonsense? Who of us listens to what Trump says anyway? It's all lies and self-promotion.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 10:18 am
@revelette1,
There's just something fundamentally wrong when the richest person alive can simply buy one of the the world's most influential media platforms and make it conform to his personal vision. It would be bad if it were any one rich person but the fact that Musk's a radical libertarian with repressive instincts and penchant for clownish behavior makes it even worse.

I'm glad you find value in the articles. It's good to know what's going on even if it is hopeless.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 10:31 am
@hightor,
I see this like anything else - if you don't like the guy and what he stands for, don't vote for him, don't visit his forum, don't talk about him, don't even think about him. The only way to curb forums like his is through government action. If Twitter fails to follow the policies of the country, it can be banned, as Russia and China have done. If it's banned, no Twitter. No Twitter - no Trump et al. Then he paid $44Bn for what? Boycott him.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 10:34 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

the fact that Musk's a radical libertarian with repressive instincts and penchant for clownish behavior makes it even worse.


And he looks like he has been carved out of spam.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 11:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
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New Jersey's best golf course is Pine Valley Golf Club, which is often voted the best golf course in America...and in the world.

I just took the online tour of the 18 holes. I've never played golf but even I could see that it's absolutely stunning – almost diabolically conceived!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 12:42 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
New Jersey's best golf course is Pine Valley Golf Club, which is often voted the best golf course in America...and in the world.

I just took the online tour of the 18 holes. I've never played golf but even I could see that it's absolutely stunning – almost diabolically conceived!


Yup.

I'll never be able to play it. You have to walk...and walking Pine Valley is like climbing a mountain. Best not to attempt it at my age.

Not too many years back, I used to walk and carry...and often played 36 or 54 holes. But these days, I go easier on the old legs.

The other thing with Pine Valley is that they will never host a tourney. I'm sure the PGA or USGA would love to use it as a venue, but there is no parking for the crowds.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 12:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
About half a century ago, I've played the "Grand Old Lady", the world's oldest golf course (Old Course at St Andrews).
I've found all until then unknown roughs, bunkers, water hazards ... besides testing the commonly known, of course.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2022 12:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

About half a century ago, I've played the "Grand Old Lady", the world's oldest golf course (Old Course at St Andrews).
I've found all until then unknown roughs, bunkers, water hazards ... besides testing the commonly known, of course.


Ahhh...a pleasure I've never had, Walter. Would love to play it. And I am sure I would have the same kind of trip you apparently had.
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