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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Mame
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:43 pm
@blatham,
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Okay, so we can say he's not a chicken, lol.

But that's the least important element here, Mame. What is FAR more important is the spread of misinformation/disinformation. What is being spread by the likes of Carlson is being duplicated here. Again, look at the piece I posted on who is organizing this. Further, as the Ottawa police chief revealed five or six days ago, their intel has found that "significant funding and organization" is coming from the US.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:45 pm
@georgeob1,
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Earlier reports of the apparently popular public enthusiasm for the truckers as they passed through the Western Provinces

Well, obviously, the key word there is "apparently". As I've just detailed, popular opinion here does not match what you saw as some emerging consensus. The truth is the opposite.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:45 pm
@blatham,
Neither does our secret service when an angry mob, throwing rocks and bottles and breaking down police barriers is immediately outside the official residence, though I'll concede they waited until the feared threats were much closer at hand than did the RCMP.
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:50 pm
Huh, so where were they on 6 January 2021............off on a team build?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:57 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Earlier reports of the apparently popular public enthusiasm for the truckers as they passed through the Western Provinces

Well, obviously, the key word there is "apparently". As I've just detailed, popular opinion here does not match what you saw as some emerging consensus. The truth is the opposite.


I have no strong opinion on the generalizations which may be behind all this, though I am aware of some growing discontent regarding Trudeau in Canada. Whatever "consensus may be emerging will likely be revealed in the next election.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 03:59 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Huh, so where were they on 6 January 2021............off on a team build?

Don't know. As has been widely reported, Speaker Pelosi had earlier rejected the recommendation of the Capital police that they augment their security for the Jan 6 event
blatham
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 04:12 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Whatever "consensus may be emerging will likely be revealed in the next election.

We just had one five months ago.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 04:20 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
As has been widely reported, Speaker Pelosi had earlier rejected the recommendation of the Capital police that they augment their security for the Jan 6 event

Reported in what you attend to. Politico checks it out

Quote:
More than six weeks after supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, posts spread on Facebook claiming that one person was to blame: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

One widely shared post claimed in all capital letters:

"ONLY ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL ON 6 JANUARY — ‘NANCY PELOSI’ — SECURITY AT THE CAPITOL IS HER JOB!!!"

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The post echoes the sentiment in a Feb. 15 letter to Pelosi from four top GOP House members. It suggested the California Democrat was at least partly at fault, asserting that "the Speaker is responsible for all operational decisions made within the House."

The post is wrong: Security at the 1.5 million-square-foot U.S. Capitol building does not fall solely to the speaker. Though Pelosi does have a role in the hierarchy overseeing security, there is no indication she controls its day-to-day operations.

Responsibility for Capitol security shared
Capitol security is provided by the sergeants-at-arms , who are the chief law enforcement officers for the House and Senate, in coordination with the Capitol Police, a federal law enforcement agency.

The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the speaker of the House, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader; in the days leading up to and including Jan. 6, that was Kentucky Republican Mitch McConnell.

Security of the Capitol Complex is the direct responsibility of the four-member Capitol Police Board, which includes both sergeants-at-arms, said Jane Campbell, president and CEO of the United States Capitol Historical Society.

The Jan. 6 attack
On Jan. 6, a joint session of Congress was held in the House chamber to officially count the electoral votes from the 2020 presidential election.

The proceedings were interrupted by a mob protesting the election results that showed Joe Biden winning over then-President Donald Trump. The attack left five people dead, including a Capitol Police officer, whose death the following day is still under investigation.

Former House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resigned after the attack, as did former Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger and Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund.

Irving told Sund ahead of the riot that he did not want National Guard troops at the Capitol on Jan. 6 because of bad "optics," the Washington Post and the New York Times reported.

In Feb. 23 testimony before lawmakers, Irving said that "optics" did not play a role in his decision. He said he, Stenger and Sund agreed the intelligence they received didn't warrant the troops.

The Times reported that at 1:09 p.m. on the day of the attack, minutes after protesters had burst through the barricades and began using the steel debris to assault the officers, Sund asked Irving for help from the National Guard. Irving called Sund back an hour later and said congressional leaders had approved the request; the article does not identify the leaders. But another hour passed before Defense Secretary Christopher Miller gave final approval to the request.

In his testimony, Irving said he didn’t recall receiving a call from Sund until shortly before 2 p.m. Sund testified that the call was made shortly after 1 p.m.

The delay in deploying the National Guard was caused by communication breakdowns, inaction and confusion over who had authority to call for the National Guard, the Times analysis found.

Pelosi called for an independent 9/11-type commission to review and investigate the Capitol attack. She also tapped retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré to investigate security failures that day. McConnell has blasted Pelosi’s proposal as "partisan by design."

Our ruling
A widely shared Facebook post claimed that only Pelosi is "responsible for what happened at the Capitol" on Jan. 6, "security at the Capitol is her job."

Responsibility for Capitol security is shared, it is not solely the responsibility of the Speaker.

Security is provided by the sergeant-at-arms of the House, the sergeant-at-arms of the Senate and the Capitol Police. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, Pelosi. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader, then McConnell. The Capitol Police is overseen by a four-member board that includes both sergeants-at-arms.

News reports indicate that before the attack, the House sergeant-at-arms resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of "optics," but he said intelligence reports didn’t warrant the extra security.

The chain of command for Capitol security does include Pelosi, but it does not fall solely to her as this post claims. Others in the chain of command include the Senate majority leader and the Capitol police chief. We rate the claim Mostly False.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 04:38 pm
@blatham,
Lots of stuff there, but none of it relevant to the point you are trying so hard to discredit.

Pelosi is indeed in the chain of command for the Capitol Police, and numerous reports from multiple news sources indicated that she had indeed denied approval for some requested augmentation soon before the event. The subsequent investigation and resignation of the House Sergeant at Arms were all indications of some level of discord over the matter, though I don't claim to know much more than that.
blatham
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 05:23 pm
@georgeob1,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/01/jordans-false-claim-that-pelosi-denied-request-national-guard-troops/
glitterbag
 
  1  
Sun 6 Feb, 2022 08:08 pm
@blatham,
Jim Jordan is another hysterical hissy fitter.
Mame
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 07:51 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate with you on Trudeau. But you made a claim about international relations which you need to back up. We have two international posters here, Walter and Izzy. Why don't we ask them if they've seen anything in their media to support your claim. I don't read as much international press as I used to but I've seen nothing anywhere to support this idea.


Here's one article, albeit not international, but it reflects how I'm feeling about him in the global theatre.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-justin-trudeau-the-nowhere-man-of-international-stage
Walter Hinteler
 
  0  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 08:24 am
@blatham,
Trudeau ... He is reported on in the same way as other heads of government (one wonders here - surely also because mainland Europeans always regard the British Isles as belonging to Europe - more about the Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service, and Minister for the UnionThe Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP .

Canadians, however ... Of course, typical Canadian professions such as ice hockey player, lumberjack, mountie or Niagara Falls tap turners require a lot of energy. You also get it from the nutritious meat of "accidentally" run-over caribou or from salmon, which the natives snatch from icy mountain rivers with courageous bites. But poutine?
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 09:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You have us as we are.
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 09:23 am
@glitterbag,
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Jim Jordan is another hysterical hissy fitter.

One of the more dishonest individuals in that crowd which has a lot of such people.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  0  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 09:24 am
@blatham,
I know - I grew up listening to Canadian Army's Radio Station Radio CAE every day.
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 10:06 am
@Mame,
Quote:
Here's one article, albeit not international, but it reflects how I'm feeling about him in the global theatre.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-justin-trudeau-the-nowhere-man-of-international-stage

That is not a quality piece of "reporting", Mame. Read it again and note the lack of substantiation for his opinions. Or you can read his post on visiting the protest in Ottawa

The Sun is a right wing publication. Important side note: If you happened to read the quote I posted earlier quoting Tucker Carlson, he claimed that the Canadian government controls almost all of Canada's news outlet. He's lying and/or he just doesn't have a ******* clue. The Toronto Sun is owned by Postmedia which controls 90% of Canada's daily and weekly papers. Further, Postmedia is currently 66% owned by American media conglomerate Chatham Asset Management, a hedge fund operation which operates in just the way one one might expect.
Quote:
Chatham’s track record as an owner of a major newspaper chain is grim, according to 10 current and former Postmedia employees who spoke with The New York Times on the condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation.

Since Chatham took a majority stake in Postmedia, the company has cut its work force, shuttered papers across Canada, reduced salaries and benefits, and centralized editorial operations in a way that has made parts of its 106 newspapers into clones of one another.

And Chatham has deep connections to the Trump crowd. It owned the National Enquirer until recently when the US government began investigating David Pecker and dumped it because the PR look was bad.
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 10:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'll send you some maple syrup.
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Mame
 
  0  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 11:05 am
@blatham,
Thanks for the info. I'm heading out now, but I will keep looking Smile At any rate, regardless of that guy and his bad connections, he's reflecting how I feel about Trudeau. I'm not privy to (paying for) many international publications.

But... you make a good point. I didn't research him or the paper. Big mistake. Sloppy of me.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Mon 7 Feb, 2022 11:09 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Here's one article, albeit not international, but it reflects how I'm feeling about him in the global theatre.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-justin-trudeau-the-nowhere-man-of-international-stage

That is not a quality piece of "reporting", Mame. Read it again and note the lack of substantiation for his opinions. Or you can read his post on visiting the protest in Ottawa


I don't recall seeing any "substantiation" in any the editorial opinion pieces you've posted here.

Just how, pray tell, does Mame or anyone else determine that a source is of sufficient "quality" to satisfy you ? My strong impression is that your standards for left-leaning pieces are a good deal more permissive than those for any source expressing conclusions or opinions you don't like. The document Mame posted was quite obviously written by someone who doesn't think much of Trudeau. However that does not appear to be a particularly unusual condition.
 

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