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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2022 02:40 pm
Your democracy is still at risk.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/one-year-since-the-january-6-capitol-hill-attacks/100737164

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It took less than an hour for a peaceful yet passionate political rally to become one of the most documented crimes in American history.

Tens of thousands of Donald Trump's most ardent supporters marched on and breached the US Capitol, turning the seat of American democracy into the scene of an unforgettable felony.

The only other time the Capitol's defences have been breached was in 1812. That attack was carried out by British troops.

This time, it was orchestrated by the country's own citizens.

It was surreal to be a reporter covering the invasion as it unfolded.

To label the moment as simply a spontaneous eruption of anger, fuelled by an election result some refused to accept, would be naive at the very least.

This moment had been simmering for years.

The combined ingredients of anger, rhetoric and lies had simply reached boiling point, creating an unprecedented juncture in American history.

A mob, mobilised by Donald Trump's false claims of a stolen election, stormed the seat of American government to keep him in power through violent means.

In the hours and days that followed, Americans in large part expressed shock, outrage and embarrassment of the actions of Trump's most passionate following.

The condemnation on both sides of Congress was swift. Even Trump's own party criticised his actions that day and demanded he bear responsibility for the bloodshed.

It should have been a reset moment for a country at war with itself. But a year on, the undercurrent of fear remains.

Outrage gives way to misinformation
Some within Republican circles have sought to bury the events of January 6 and those in power at the time are yet to face any real punishment for their actions.

The anger and world-stage embarrassment also faded fast.

Since March, the share of Republicans who think it is very or somewhat important to find and prosecute those who broke in and rioted that day has slumped from 79 per cent to 57 per cent, according to Pew Research.

Senior members of the Republican party have consistently contradicted themselves over how the former president should be held accountable, if at all.

A legion of conservative activists, media personalities and elected officials have in the months that followed systematically sought to rewrite history.

Despite reams of clear video and photographic evidence streamed live that day by the invaders themselves, some have described it as a choreographed attack staged by left-wing provocateurs Antifa.

The tear gas was still being fired and rioters cleared from the Capitol grounds when that line started being fired at journalists like me.

When that argument didn't stick, the armed insurrection became a good-natured protest spoiled by a few troublemakers.

Or instead of a deadly event that put the lives of hundreds of politicians, police and congressional staffers at risk, the riot was no big deal at all.

Some congressional staffers live in fear
In the months since, senators, representatives and police officers defending the building that day have chronicled the trauma.

Congressional staffer Sharon Nichols went into her office that day to get her COVID-19 vaccine.

When the Capitol came under attack, she hid out in her office for eight hours alone.

She finally managed to escape by using the underground tunnels connecting the House and the Senate.

"I walked outside and it was like the world had changed. It looked like our country was at war," she said.

"I do worry sometimes that it's so out of control that they could influence the next big election.

"I would be a fool to say it would never happen again."

Recognition of the events that day though hasn't stopped the steady stream of staff resignations, with many left uneasy about the thought of another attack.

The great Capitol resignation
Capitol Hill Police, overwhelmed that day, promised an overhaul.

But a year on, its own Inspector General has criticised the agency for only implementing a quarter of his 200 recommendations to help prevent a similar attack in the future.

Those in the force and others held captive that day in the Capitol halls have quit in droves.

Among the hundreds of Capitol Hill police officers overwhelmed during the insurrection was officer Harry Dunn.

"Nothing has been done to prevent what happened on January 6 from happening again," he said.

"We have to proceed with caution, and we need to be very careful and smart over how we proceed, to make sure this doesn't happen again."

The threats to democracy displayed last January haven't dispersed or changed or diluted.

They have simply morphed into different forms, which are being expressed in spot-fire fashion at a local level across the country.

"The ingredients are still there," Harry Dunn said.

"Nobody wants to say this is America, this is what we represent, these are the values, but it is.

"It's irresponsible to deny the existence of that culture … and denying its existence is kind of how we got to where we are now."

January 6 drove the wedge deeper

The insurrection didn't become a moment of truth that helped stitch the fabric of society back together — rather, it frayed the edges.

The percentage of Americans who say violent action against the government is justified stands at 34 per cent, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.


1 in 3 Americans say violence against government can be justified, citing fears of political schism, pandemic https://t.co/Q0N1l6QXNw

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 2, 2022
That's considerably higher than past polls dating back two decades, and the numbers are again partisan.

Four in 10 Republicans say violence is sometimes justified. That compares to two in 10 Democrats.

While it appears unlikely Washington DC will play host to another armed contest in the near future, what's happening at school board meetings is a concern to many.

They have become a visual manifestation of the tensions still bubbling under the surface.

Members of the Proud Boys, the far-right nationalist group that led its men and women into the US Capitol, have started appearing at town council gatherings, school board presentations and health department Q&A sessions.


2 weeks after far-right extremist group The Proud Boys rallied outside Orange Co HS football game to criticize mask mandates, the school board adopts resolution to condemn the group

“These extremist groups have been using anti-mask rage to wedge their way into our local forums.” pic.twitter.com/RgxmUG1m9G

— Joel Brown (@JoelBrownABC11) October 12, 2021
Their presence at community events can be seen as an effort by the militia group to bring their brand of politics to a grassroots level.

Twelve months on from one of the most significant assaults on American democracy in living memory, the government is still under attack.

The offensive is just quieter now, but no less menacing. It's eroding the country from within.

The fundamental right to vote is under siege. Republican states moved en masse within weeks of the 2020 election to make it harder to cast a ballot.

Faith in the electoral process is fading; the "big lie" about Donald Trump's supposed 2020 victory has continued to gained currency.

The undertone of distrust runs deep into almost all facets of American society, it just depends which version of reality you believe, or which cable news channel you watch.

Faith in democracy, which was tested on January 6, hasn't been restored in the months that have followed. Instead, it continues to slip away.

'They should be held to account'
The Justice Department (DOJ), which is leading the criminal investigation, is yet to announce any major breakthroughs in untangling the planning of the attack, nor lay any blockbuster charges.

Close to 700 rioters been charged for their involvement but those in power at the time and within Trump's close circle have so far proved untouchable.

The House Committee, established in July to investigate what caused the event to unfold, is on a tight deadline to uncover new details.

If they don't reveal any explosive new information before the mid-term election season starts this year, they risk having their recommendations thrown out if, as expected, Republicans reclaim control of the Senate.

Congresswoman Elaine Luria is one of 13 selected to sit on the committee.

While the DOJ is responsible for the criminal proceedings, she admits pinning down those in power at the time has so far been fruitless.

"I am fearful that there are those who will try to bury it," she said.

"Through the process of our work in our investigation there have been people who have refused to appear before the committee, they have ignored subpoenas, they have refused to appear and testify and for that they should be held to account."

It's difficult to imagine what new details the committee could possibly uncover: the most important moments of that fateful January day were broadcast and live-streamed as they unfolded.

But even that wasn't enough to change the minds of millions of Americans nor restore confidence in democracy.

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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2022 07:46 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
January 6th 2021 was last year. Biden wasn't yet President and had no cabinet. What we saw was a fairly well organized attempt to overthrow the votes of the American people. I'm just waiting to see the sentences delivered, that might make my 32 years of service seem just fine again.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2022 08:00 pm
@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

This article has such slant.

"Most documented crimes"

Let's repeat something that needs to be said. Six people made it into the White House. Six people. Six people.

Care to comment on how many made it into Congress? I'm not familiar with any invaders making it into the White House.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2022 08:30 pm
@roger,
I don't think any known insurrectionists made it into the White House. I'm not considering people who already work there.
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 01:58 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I don't think any known insurrectionists made it into the White House. I'm not considering people who already work there.
....and, more than 6, a lot more than 6 made into the Capitol causing massive destruction and imposing an insurrection upon the government of the United States of America and its functions! Kinda serious.......
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 04:56 am
We're very lucky to have members such as the one above who informed us about the violence at the White House last January 26 caused by President Biden's repressive covid measures and the restrictions on freedom of speech he put into place before he was inaugurated and actually took office.
a gifted comedian wrote:
They peacefully assembled. No violence was done to Biden or any of his cabinet.


Moving right along, how many of you remember that we actually had an A2Ker right at the Capitol last year? Here are some excerpts from his exciting accounts of the day:

a patriotic A2K member wrote:
I'm currently at the Trump protests in Washington.

I can confirm that an unarmed woman has been shot in the neck by police. The woman has died.

Also, many Antifa and BLM members have been spotted posing as Trump supporters and committing acts of violence, probably to give the media false stories to publish.

This is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen.

Today was wild. I experienced tear gas for the first time, I saw people shot, and I can definitely confirm that Antifa was in DC causing violence for news cameras.


He was good enough to share a picture of himself, right there, right in the middle of the action:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FR8kZx.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 04:58 am
@hightor,
Lol good one
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 07:51 am
Elie Mystal very often says very close to what I am thinking at the time. And he says it very directly. If Garland was going to take on trump and the other rich and powerful republicans who did this to us, he already had the Mueller report, which clearly outlined 10 instances of obstruction of justice that he said he could not prosecute because trump was president.

People are saying now exactly what they said about Mueller - another good ole white-guy institutionalist(with rock-hard morals and integrity). That he's just making an airtight case; dotting the 'i's - crossing the 't's... making sure Trump has no wiggle room...

AND MUELLER DIDN'T DO ****.

https://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1479084439099613187?s=20
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 08:02 am
Is everyone waiting breathlessly by their televisions; waiting for Biden and Harris to make their historic speeches about 1/6; expressing outrage against the insurrectionists and solidarity with the Capitol police, and pledging that those responsible will be brought to justice?

I’m not.

If you just take what I wrote above, throw in a couple of heartfelt Joe Biden homilies and one or two Kamala Harris emotional moments when her voice cracks, and you can basically say you’ve already heard it.

And just watch NBA highlights.

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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 08:04 am
There's some talk about a new Maxwell trial...
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 08:08 am
@snood,
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AND MUELLER DIDN'T DO ****.

Given that a sitting president can not be indicted, wasn't it up to Barr to do something though?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 08:52 am
@hightor,
Have you got an excuse ready for when Garland does nothing to hold those behind 1/6 responsible?
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:21 am
@snood,
No "excuse" is necessary if a simple explanation will suffice.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 11:31 am
@hightor,
Any “explanation” for not prosecuting the traitors in our government who spawned 1/6 is going to just be an excuse.

What kind of thing would you imagine as a reasonable explanation, pray tell?
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 12:32 pm
@snood,
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AND MUELLER DIDN'T DO ****.


Okay. What kind of "****" did you expect Mueller to do, pray tell? As a special prosecutor wasn't his job to investigate the charges and deliver the results to the attorney general for possible legal action?

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Any “explanation” for not prosecuting the traitors in our government who spawned 1/6 is going to just be an excuse.

Not necessarily. What if the explanation for your predicted inaction on Garland's part is that he's taking orders from Jamie Gorelick? How does that "excuse" him? I think it's more likely that, should an explanation be necessary, it will basically be a searing indictment of our political culture in general and our legal system in particular – how would that "excuse" anybody?

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What kind of thing would you imagine as a reasonable explanation, pray tell?

How am I supposed to imagine a "reasonable explanation" for something that hasn't happened? Why not wait for it to play out and then turn to journalists and lawyers for an in-depth legal analysis instead of demanding that some nitwit on a message board provide wild guesses about the future?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 07:33 pm
@hightor,
Here’s the thing, Hightor…

Those exhorting me to patience would say, Merrick Garland is playing all this close to the chest, and he is doing what prosecutors with cases involving a lot of moving parts naturally do - convict the low-hanging culprits first, then take care of the big criminal bosses. So this pace is what it’s supposed to be, things look exactly how they’re supposed to, and he will get to Trump and the Congress persons and senators behind it after he uses the others to build his case.


But,

If Merrick Garland only planned to pursue the lackeys who climbed the walls and defecated in the halls, and make them an example of DOJ justice being done, and then spend two years issuing statements that he is “on the job” and getting us used to the idea that nothing else is going to happen…

This is also exactly how things would look.

So it comes down to how much faith does one have in “the process” of federal justice? It comes down to either you believe in the people we pay with our taxes to punish the rich white bad guys, or you don’t.

And belief is either a blind act of faith, or based on some prior history of information.

I don’t personally have any information that leads me to believe that our department of justice is going to
punish Donald Trump or the other rich white people who fomented the attack on our way of government.

And I sure don’t have blind faith that that’s going to happen, either.

You say, “How can I imagine an explanation for something in the future”, as if speculating about the political future isn’t just about all we do on threads like this. C’mon, man. Are we supposed to judge this issue about DOJ justice for the riot planners as if it’s in a vacuum, and we’re aw shucks intellectually just virginal and brand new to the whole thing?
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2022 10:43 pm
As a former DOD employee who happened to be working during the Watergate investigations and the Iran-Contra investigations, I watched the Justice Department conduct investigations that investigated everything. Every time a new piece of info came up the JD was all over it. Will the lower caste be held responsible? Probably........., that's what happened at my Agency, the rarified seldom were saddled with guilt. But this time we are talking about a coup attempt to cancel the votes of the American people. Watergate and Iran-Contra were both stains on our country but this latest scheme is despicable.

Personally I want everyone who participated in this coup to be identified and punished. As a country we have a lot of work to do, it's time to bring civics back to the schools......if our population doesn't understand how democracy works, we can expect more and more irritated individuals influenced by nobheads to be attacking every vestige of normal routines and government. I'm not saying the Government is perfect, but we need to vote, not gripe and form hate groups if we wish to move along as a civilization.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2022 05:11 am
@glitterbag,
GB, I’m fairly familiar with how big bureaucracies work too.
The military is a great example of how the **** only strikes the pawns, when it hits the fan.

And it doesn’t matter what the size or depth of the crime is - the system protects its own.

There are a hundred examples, one of the most egregious of which is the torture at Abu Ghraib. The people who made the torture policy and gave the torture orders just went on living their lives. Nobody got punished except the lowly enlisted.

I think it’s FAR more likely that Trump and the others behind 1/6 go unscathed than a scenario where they have to pay for their crimes against our country.

I guess the good thing for me about this argument is that - while I’m stubborn as the next guy about being right- in this case I will actually be glad to be dead wrong.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2022 05:17 am

quite a powerful speech...

 

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