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Does The Left Honestly Support Our Troops?

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:31 am
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
To accusing another member of something for which you have not one iota of evidence is immoral.

Immoral? Are you kidding me? Can you explain exactly how your system of ethics makes you believe that such a thing is immoral?

Also, It's fun to watch you try to play your "prove it or retract it" game against something that doesn't require proof.

If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident. I'm sure you do find it amusing, but support for dishonest debating practices reflects no credit on you.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:36 am
parados wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
Bush/America bashers -- so if one bashes Bush, they are automatically bashing America? Like I said earlier, Brandon, this is intellectually dishonest to more than a fault.

I never said anything of the kind. I am getting pretty freaking tired of talking to people who either don't bother to read posts before responding or else can't understand anything.


Your insinuation with the slash mark is unmistakable but if you want to attempt to rationalize, once again, your way out of it then go for it. I, for one, don't believe you.

I insist that you show me one post I've made on this Web site that says that someone who bashes Bush is automatically bashing America. If you can't show me a single post I've ever made in which I say what you claim falsely my position is, then you're the only one around here being dishonest.

Rather, I have said that bashing the administration's conduct of a war in progress, to such an extent that the war effort is diminished is un-American. I have never said, and emphatically do not believe, that criticising the president is inherently un-American.

Just remember, if you can look at one of my posts and accuse me of an opinion I have never, ever expressed due to some conjunction of words, I can do it to you. Believe me, you'll be amazed at learning some of the things you advocate.


Same ole Brandon.. When faced with reality of what he said and how others interpret it he goes into attack mode and demands proof of his statements. I am not going to let you off the hook here Brandon. You do this constantly. You are nothing but a playground bully in your actions. You attempt to browbeat people here on A2K. The first time I encountered you on here you were doing this same thing to a couple of people that weren't quite capable of handling you. The thing I learned a long time ago about bullies is they hate their own tactics being used against them.

Since you claim that Bush/America doesn't equate the two find me a usage of the / in English language that would apply to your usage and doesn't tie the words together in some way. I look forward to your factual response. You are the one that used the term. It IS up to you to provide evidence of how and why you used it.
"Every poster has the responsibility to back up claims he makes here or else not make them. "

Most of your post is ad hominem fluff, which I shall ignore. The core of the matter is that Lightwaizard claims that I believe that bashing Bush is equivalent to attacking America.

1. I am saying that I do not believe it.
2. I challenge him to produce any post in which I have ever said it.

I suspect that Lightwizard, whom I have spoken to in other contexts, probably really believed that that was what I meant, but it isn't. You, parados, on the other hand, are simply a liar.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:37 am
You are guilty of Conflating the issue of Bush/America, Brandon, not to mention moral bankruptcy and intellecutal idiocy. Quit playing stupid, for you are not.

And no, I'm not going to waste my time to go find posts to 'prove it to you,' because I frankly don't give a damn what you think about anything.

The quality of your posts has made my conclusions quite evident. I suggest that you go back and look at your OWN posts if you want evidence of your failings.

Cycloptichorn
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:43 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
You are guilty of Conflating the issue of Bush/America, Brandon, not to mention moral bankruptcy and intellecutal idiocy. Quit playing stupid, for you are not.

And no, I'm not going to waste my time to go find posts to 'prove it to you,' because I frankly don't give a damn what you think about anything.

The quality of your posts has made my conclusions quite evident. I suggest that you go back and look at your OWN posts if you want evidence of your failings.

Cycloptichorn

To accuse someone of believing something that he says he does not believe, and for which you can present no evidence is improper and an invalid debating technique.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:46 am
Lol, I don't care what you consider a 'proper debating technique' or not! And neither does anyone else here. You have proven yourself to be guilty of the things that I mentioned by the body of your irresponsible and immoral posts that you have accumulated over your time here.

If you disagree with me, fine. I don't give a damn. It doesn't change the fact that your opinions on any defense-related subject are meaningless and immaterial to everyone else's discussion; you have shown that you do not possess the neccessary moral character to discuss such things.

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:48 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
To accusing another member of something for which you have not one iota of evidence is immoral.

Immoral? Are you kidding me? Can you explain exactly how your system of ethics makes you believe that such a thing is immoral?

Also, It's fun to watch you try to play your "prove it or retract it" game against something that doesn't require proof.

If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident. I'm sure you do find it amusing, but support for dishonest debating practices reflects no credit on you.

Most people would laugh at you for resorting to claiming something is self-evident when you constantly require others to back up their claims.

Talk about dishonest.

And talk about reflecting no credit on you.

I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:49 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Lol, I don't care what you consider a 'proper debating technique' or not! And neither does anyone else here. You have proven yourself to be guilty of the things that I mentioned by the body of your irresponsible and immoral posts that you have accumulated over your time here.

If you disagree with me, fine. I don't give a damn. It doesn't change the fact that your opinions on any defense-related subject are meaningless and immaterial to everyone else's discussion; you have shown that you do not possess the neccessary moral character to discuss such things.

Cycloptichorn

This is an interesting post, in that it is 100% ad hominem. It was issued by you in furtherance of asserting that I believe something which I say that I do not believe, and for which you can present no evidence that I believe. I make a logical argument. You counter with an attack on me as a person but do not address my argument. Despite your posturing, it is clear whose argument and behavior are proper.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:53 am
Regarding categories of bashers I think you are making a logical mistake there McG.

They are not distinct groups. Some of the bashers will belong to both the anti Bush and anti American camps. But its quite possible to be a Bushbasher and pro-America.

The slash sign is confusing because it doesnt make clear the possibility of this third group.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:54 am
DD said it perfectly, Brandon:

Quote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.


Cycloptichorn
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 08:58 am
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
To accusing another member of something for which you have not one iota of evidence is immoral.

Immoral? Are you kidding me? Can you explain exactly how your system of ethics makes you believe that such a thing is immoral?

Also, It's fun to watch you try to play your "prove it or retract it" game against something that doesn't require proof.

If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident. I'm sure you do find it amusing, but support for dishonest debating practices reflects no credit on you.

Most people would laugh at you for resorting to claiming something is self-evident when you constantly require others to back up their claims.

Talk about dishonest.

And talk about reflecting no credit on you.

Really? I said:

Brandon9000 wrote:
If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident.

You want me to prove that this is self-evident? You think that it isn't???

DrewDad wrote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.

I really couldn't say, but it isn't relevant to valid debate.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:08 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
DD said it perfectly, Brandon:

Quote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.


Cycloptichorn

Your posts now consist mostly of ad hominems. This is not really something of which to be proud. Maybe you've got some great argument that this is now valid or commendable debating style.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:10 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
To accusing another member of something for which you have not one iota of evidence is immoral.

Immoral? Are you kidding me? Can you explain exactly how your system of ethics makes you believe that such a thing is immoral?

Also, It's fun to watch you try to play your "prove it or retract it" game against something that doesn't require proof.

If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident. I'm sure you do find it amusing, but support for dishonest debating practices reflects no credit on you.

[bMost people would laugh at you for resorting to claiming something is self-evident when you constantly require others to back up their claims.

Talk about dishonest.

And talk about reflecting no credit on you.[/b]

Really?

Really. You hold yourself to a lower standard. You are intellectually dishonest. And immoral by your self-proclaimed standard.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
If you cannot see that accusing another member of something for which you can show no evidence is both unethical and logically invalid, then I probably can't help you. Most people would call that self-evident.

You want me to prove that this is self-evident? You think that it isn't???

You made a global statement ("it is immoral") and then used a subjective standard ("it is self-evident"). I'll take the answer to my question ("Can you explain exactly how your system of ethics makes you believe that such a thing is immoral?") as a "no."

Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.

I really couldn't say, but it isn't relevant to valid debate.

You are correct. But since I'm not debating you, it is a moot point.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:13 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
DD said it perfectly, Brandon:

Quote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.


Cycloptichorn

Your posts now consist mostly of ad hominems. This is not really something of which to be proud. Maybe you've got some great argument that this is now valid or commendable debating style.

As this post was not an attempt at debate, this logically can not be an ad hominem. Try to keep up.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:34 am
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
DD said it perfectly, Brandon:

Quote:
I should think that the contempt I have for you is self-evident.


Cycloptichorn

Your posts now consist mostly of ad hominems. This is not really something of which to be proud. Maybe you've got some great argument that this is now valid or commendable debating style.

As this post was not an attempt at debate, this logically can not be an ad hominem. Try to keep up.


If what you say is true, then it violates the Terms of Use and should be reported as such.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:37 am
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
And here come McGentrix to muddy the semantic waters even further -- you guys believe you are so good at that but I know six graders who can do a better job. Get the to the Yahoo nunnery.


I wouldn't have needed to post anything if it wasn't for the inability of some to comprehend what they read. Perhaps you should hang out with a more appropriate age group? Sixth graders may be smart, but have a limited global perspective.


I read more and more where you say people have the inability to comprehend what they read. Since this happens on a more than too frequent basis, have you considered the possibility that it is your inability to form proper sentences that is incomprehensible? As for sixth graders... you do them a disservice to say that they have a limited global perspective. You are, again, making assumptions.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:54 am
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
And here come McGentrix to muddy the semantic waters even further -- you guys believe you are so good at that but I know six graders who can do a better job. Get the to the Yahoo nunnery.


I wouldn't have needed to post anything if it wasn't for the inability of some to comprehend what they read. Perhaps you should hang out with a more appropriate age group? Sixth graders may be smart, but have a limited global perspective.


I read more and more where you say people have the inability to comprehend what they read. Since this happens on a more than too frequent basis, have you considered the possibility that it is your inability to form proper sentences that is incomprehensible? As for sixth graders... you do them a disservice to say that they have a limited global perspective. You are, again, making assumptions.


No, I believe there is a very large comprehension problem. People read what they want to read and not what the author intends. Especially in heated chat forums. Can you honestly say you read every post by me with a completely neutral stance? Or, more likely, do you read my posts saying "I wonder what right-winged gibberish he's spouting this time?" and react negatively before you have even read the post?

For example, you have pointed to my jab at lightwizard and you are trying to make an issue of it, as though a sixth graders world views matter.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 09:57 am
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
And here come McGentrix to muddy the semantic waters even further -- you guys believe you are so good at that but I know six graders who can do a better job. Get the to the Yahoo nunnery.


I wouldn't have needed to post anything if it wasn't for the inability of some to comprehend what they read. Perhaps you should hang out with a more appropriate age group? Sixth graders may be smart, but have a limited global perspective.


I read more and more where you say people have the inability to comprehend what they read. Since this happens on a more than too frequent basis, have you considered the possibility that it is your inability to form proper sentences that is incomprehensible? As for sixth graders... you do them a disservice to say that they have a limited global perspective. You are, again, making assumptions.


No, I believe there is a very large comprehension problem. People read what they want to read and not what the author intends. Especially in heated chat forums. Can you honestly say you read every post by me with a completely neutral stance? Or, more likely, do you read my posts saying "I wonder what right-winged gibberish he's spouting this time?" and react negatively before you have even read the post?

For example, you have pointed to my jab at lightwizard and you are trying to make an issue of it, as though a sixth graders world views matter.


If it was a jab, i.e., a personal attack, it is a violation of the TOS and should be reported as such.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 10:04 am
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
And here come McGentrix to muddy the semantic waters even further -- you guys believe you are so good at that but I know six graders who can do a better job. Get the to the Yahoo nunnery.


I wouldn't have needed to post anything if it wasn't for the inability of some to comprehend what they read. Perhaps you should hang out with a more appropriate age group? Sixth graders may be smart, but have a limited global perspective.


I read more and more where you say people have the inability to comprehend what they read. Since this happens on a more than too frequent basis, have you considered the possibility that it is your inability to form proper sentences that is incomprehensible? As for sixth graders... you do them a disservice to say that they have a limited global perspective. You are, again, making assumptions.


No, I believe there is a very large comprehension problem. People read what they want to read and not what the author intends. Especially in heated chat forums. Can you honestly say you read every post by me with a completely neutral stance? Or, more likely, do you read my posts saying "I wonder what right-winged gibberish he's spouting this time?" and react negatively before you have even read the post?

For example, you have pointed to my jab at lightwizard and you are trying to make an issue of it, as though a sixth graders world views matter.


Yes, I can honestly say that I read your posts with a comletely neutral stance. I do not form an opinion or reply until I feel that I understand it. If I agree with what you say, I will state such. However, if I do not agree I will state that as well. It is your right to spout gibberish (your words) and I support your right to do so. That does not mean that I have to agree with it.

And, yes, I believe that a sixth graders world views do matter. It is what they learn now that will carry through to adulthood.

You admit that you made a jab at lightwizard. No, I am not making an issue of it. I am trying to show you that it may not always be the comprehension level of the poster that is the cause of confusion.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 10:19 am
Making notes:

Jabs are automatically ad hominem attacks or insults to be reported as violations of TOS.

Some believe Sixth Graders should be consulted on national and global policy.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2005 10:20 am
McGentrix wrote:
If what you say is true, then it violates the Terms of Use and should be reported as such.

I stated my personal feelings. I did not, for example, tell him to "quit being an idiot."

Glass houses, McG.
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