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Can Trump Pardon Himself?

 
 
Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2020 10:14 pm
Rumour has it Trump can pardon himself because the Constitution doesn't actually say he can't...

Matt Gaetz suggests Trump should pardon himself, potentially Joe Exotic
'The president ought to wield that pardon power effectively and robustly.'
By Sam Dorman | Fox News

Biden building national security, foreign policy team of globalists
Rep. Matt Gaetz and retired Brig. Gen. Robert Spalding sound off on 'The Ingraham Angle'

President Trump should consider pardoning himself and other administration officials given Democrats' "blood lust" for his associates, Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., told "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday.

The two-term congressman said, President Trump should "pardon everyone from himself to his administration officials, to Joe Exotic if he has to."

The pardons should come because "the radical left [has] a blood lust that will only be quenched if they come after the people who worked so hard to animate the Trump Administration with the policies and the vigor, and the effectiveness that delivered for the American people," Gaetz said.

He added that he thought "the president ought to wield that pardon power effectively and robustly."

One day before Trump officially announced he would pardon his former National Security Advisor Gen. Michale Flynn, Gaetz said, "President Trump should pardon Michael Flynn."

Trump could theoretically pardon himself as the Constitution contains no provision against doing that.

"I have the absolute right to PARDON myself," Trump tweeted in 2018, "but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!"

"Witch Hunt" was a reference to the Russia investigation, which conservatives have held up as an example of the Justice Department abusing its authority.

The pardoning of Flynn came after two guilty pleas from the 23-year military veteran, but the prosecution of Flynn came under scrutiny after the release of FBI documents that indicated a plot to get Flynn to lie. "What is our goal?" read one of the FBI's notes. "Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"

Following those revelations, Trump's Justice Department moved to drop its case against him but has since encountered hurdles in court. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected in August Flynn's plea to force a federal judge to drop his criminal case.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2020 11:48 pm
According the the Constitution, yes he can.

And in my opinion, he should do so in order to protect himself from Democratic abuses of power.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 12:54 am
@oralloy,
the Constitution does NOT suggest that at all.

Lessee, hes already under investigation Federally and locally for
INSURANCE FRAUD
MAIL FRAUD
CRIMINAL TAX EVASION
GRAND LARCENY
RAPE

The key word in the Constitution is "Grant reprieves and pardons" (except for impeachment)

Weve got a president whose, reportedly "mobbed up" , been impeached, has been principla of sveral frauduelent and possibly criminal enterprises.

We couldnt have done better had we elected John Gotti for president.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:01 am
He would have to admit he committed crimes and is found guilty.

Which, of course, there's many crimes to choose from...
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:03 am
@neptuneblue,
No he wouldn't.

And no. No such crimes.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:04 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
the Constitution does NOT suggest that at all.

It doesn't merely suggest it. It outright says that he has unlimited power to pardon (at the federal level at least).
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:05 am
@oralloy,
If that were the case, then pardoning wouldn't be an option.

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:13 am
@neptuneblue,
That is incorrect. It is the case, and pardoning is an option.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:15 am
@oralloy,
Why would he pardon himself for non-existent crimes?

Grins and giggles?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:18 am
@neptuneblue,
THI is what Article II, section 2 , clause 1 actually says:

Quote:
and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:25 am
@farmerman,
Since he won't actually BE President at the time of arrest and formal charges, the point is, he can't pardon himself.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:26 am
@neptuneblue,
That is incorrect. He is still president now, so he has the power to pardon himself.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:28 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Why would he pardon himself for non-existent crimes?
Grins and giggles?

To protect himself from the Democrats' abuse of power.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:28 am
@oralloy,
He hasn't been charged with anything, yet.

Being an asshole isn't a crime.

If it were, I'm sure you'd be long gone.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:32 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
He hasn't been charged with anything, yet.

Irrelevant.


neptuneblue wrote:
Being an asshole isn't a crime.
If it were, I'm sure you'd be long gone.

Progressives really hate people who tell the truth.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:33 am
@oralloy,
You're not telling the truth.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:39 am
"Offences against the US". So obviously the crimes on hold at the EDNY are in abayance UNTIL we have Mr Trump as Mr citizen.

Itll be an interesting time in which to see what happens to the Constitution as a result of this thug's self dealing activities.

Its obvious he has no nonscience nor could never be an empath. Everything, to him , is someone elses doing., even his lack of wit and skills.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2020 01:49 am
@oralloy,
your very misquote of the US Constitution Article II sec 2. Get it right, dont try to bluff.
 

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