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US Government Malfeasance

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 03:55 am
@glitterbag,
She's got your number, joint. ( It's probably 666)
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 10:05 am
@McGentrix,
Twisting a posters words to mean nothing like what he said. At least Ollie and CJ honesty lie. You are also a liar but try to make it look like you are not by twisting others posts.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 11:06 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
She's got your number, joint.

She has a narrow mind and a big mouth. What she says is predictable, condescending, and displays an arrogance that put Trump in the WH and will do it again.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 12:48 pm
@coldjoint,
You have no idea what the majority of the country thinks. She does. Trump is president because the founding fathers made a horrenmdous mistake two hundred-odd years ago with the EC. It's bitten uks on the ass every time it mandated a losing candidate as prez. That's why Trump is down fourteen points and looks to drag the senate down with him. good riddance to all that rubbish.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 12:50 pm
@coldjoint,
and talk about predictable, it's all of your posts.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 01:12 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
and talk about predictable, it's all of your posts.

I usually source my posts and they cover many subjects. The only predictable here is your lame response.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 05:39 pm
@coldjoint,
Wro ng. They all toe the far right wack job position on any ltopic you discuss. Predictablee. And as far as youior cites go, garbage in, garbage out.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 06:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
And as far as youior cites go, garbage in, garbage out.

Just like the NYT, WP, and CNN? Salon, Slate, Vox?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2020 08:53 pm
@coldjoint,
No, ;like the loopy extreme right wing fake news sites which are all you cite.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2020 05:26 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
What Federal laws would that be?

All of them. Riots and rebellions prevent the government from enforcing any law that is on the books.


McGentrix wrote:
Local criminal law does not fall under federal codes though.

True, but federal law falls under federal codes.


McGentrix wrote:
It is not a rebellion.

When those Seattle thugs declared an autonomous zone where no government agent was allowed, that was a rebellion against the government.


McGentrix wrote:
Riots are not a federal issue.

They are when they prevent federal law from being enforced.


McGentrix wrote:
no Federal laws are being broken.

That doesn't matter. Federal agents have the right to use force against people who prevent them from carrying out their duties.
RABEL222
 
  3  
Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2020 09:10 pm
@oralloy,
Another whack job post from our resident genus.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 02:40 am
@oralloy,
Sweet Jesus, everything you said was wrong. Perhaps you have an IQ of 130 but it's glaringly apparent that you don't have a clue how this democracy works. What else do you imagine, do you think the Gov. of New York can declare martial law in New Jersey.? Holy Mother of God, you are so poorly informed it hurts my feelings...Your parents should be embarrassed at the nonsense you mouth...

Every thing I said is factual and correct, if you try to dispute my truth, everyone will se you as a boring drip of a nerd. Don't be a boring drip of a feckless nerd.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 06:28 am
WHAT THE ACTUAL "F" IS HE DOING??

Trump contradicts SecDef on Germany withdrawal

Defense Secretary Mark Esper portrayed the plan as a strategic shift. President Trump said, "we're reducing the force because [Germany is] not paying their bills." Criticism from both sides of the aisle was swift.
By PAUL MCLEARY

on July 29, 2020 at 1:12 PM

WASHINGTON: This morning, the Secretary of Defense, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and head of US forces in Europe painstakingly explained to reporters at the Pentagon that pulling 12,000 US troops out of Germany was a smart strategic move, unrelated to President Trump’s anger at German defense spending. An hour later, the president blew it all up.

“We don’t want to be the suckers anymore,” the president said at the White House Wednesday morning. “So we’re reducing the force because they’re not paying their bills. It’s very simple, they’re delinquent.”

Trump, as he has done for years, conflated the pledge by NATO nations to spend two percent of their GDP on national defense with payments to the alliance itself. Germany, despite being the wealthiest nation in Europe, continues to fall well below that mark.

During the Pentagon briefing this morning, Defense Secretary Mark Esper repeatedly made the case that moving the troops back to the US, or to Belgium and Italy, is a strategic decision that will benefit the US and its NATO allies. Despite his claim that some movement will start within “weeks,” it was clear that the bulk of the planning is yet to be done.

Esper said that the total cost of the movements would be in the single digit billions, and movement was on the verge of beginning. Then the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. John Hyten quickly walked that back:

“The secretary said single digit billions, but those are rough estimates,” Hyten said. “What we have right now is really a concept ― a concept that we’ve shared with our allies, shared with the Congress, and we shared inside the department fairly widely. We now have to turn it into plans. As you turn into plans, we have a very structured process involving the Joint Staff, the office of the secretary, and the combatant commands and the services, to make sure we understand what those are, then we’ll lay in the costs.”

Hyten’s comments served as a brake on what appeared to be an urgent push to move the troops, indicating that there are no firm plans to do anything other than talk with European allies and align complex budget lines and a massive logistical push. His comments suggest any final decisions are weeks or months away, and are wrapped up with consultations with allies and building out new infrastructure to house US forces, both deployed and rotational.

Lots of Flak

Denunciations came quickly from former top commanders and leading Republicans.

In a rare rebuke of the president, GOP Sen. Ben Sasse decried the withdrawal in blunt language.

“U.S. troops aren’t stationed around the world as traffic cops or welfare caseworkers – they’re restraining the expansionary aims of the world’s worst regimes, chiefly China and Russia,” Sasse said. “The President’s lack of strategic understanding of this issue increases our response time and hinders the important deterrent work our servicemen and women are doing. Maintaining forward presence is cheaper for our taxpayers and safer for our troops. Chairman Xi and Vladimir Putin are reckless – and this withdrawal will only embolden them. We should be leading our allies against China and Russia, not abandoning them. Withdrawal is weak.”

Retired Supreme Allied Commander at NATO, Adm. James Stavridis, tweeted this morning that “Abruptly pulling 12,500 troops out of Germany (to put half of them in countries who spend LESS on defense) doesn’t make sense financially, hurts NATO solidarity overall, and is a gift to Putin.”

Doug Lute, former US Ambassador to NATO and retired 3-star general, tweeted that the move “makes zero strategic sense when judged against the stated objectives,” of deterring China and Russia.

Longtime Trump critic Sen. Mitt Romney called the plan “a grave error” and “a slap in the face at a friend and ally when we should instead be drawing closer in our mutual commitment to deter Russian and Chinese aggression,” Romney said in a statement. “The move may temporarily play well in domestic politics, but its consequences will be lasting and harmful to American interests.“

However, some Eastern European allies are eager to host US troops coming out of Germany.

Overall, the plan would bring 6,400 service members home and reposition 5,600 elsewhere in Europe, including possibly moving troops to the Baltic nations and Poland. The move will leave 24,000 troops in Germany.

Earlier this month, Latvian officials told me they were eager to strike a deal with Washington to bring some of those troops to their country, but said talks were in the very early stages. Any movement of more troops to Poland is also contingent on the signing of a long-awaited security pact with the government in Warsaw. There were expectations that the deal would be signed with Policy President Andrzej Duda visited Washington last month, but negotiations continue.

The rough outline presented by the military leaders this morning revealed that about 2,000 troops from the US military’s European Command headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, will relocate to Mons, Belgium. The Africa Command headquarters, also in Germany, is also likely to move to Spain or Italy.

Also, 4,500 members of the Second Cavalry Regiment in Germany will return to the US, and then begin rotations in the Black Sea region. Elsewhere, the 2,500 airmen scheduled to deploy to Germany from the U.K. will remain in the U.K., while an F-16 squadron will be sent to Italy.

Italy spends approximately 1.2% of its GDP on defense, while Belgium spends even less, .93%. Those countries are both less than the German 1.38%, making the president’s comments even more puzzling.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/07/trump-contradicts-secdef-on-germany-withdrawal-money-trumps-strategy/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 11:12 am
@MontereyJack,
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You have no idea what the majority of the country thinks. She does.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 12:11 pm
@neptuneblue,
Trump, who never pays his personal bills or the bills his political 'look at me' rallies incur....Has the audacity city to say that Germany (a crucial ally) doesn't pay enough??? That is a bullshit argument, and it pisses me off.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 12:36 pm
@glitterbag,
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Has the audacity city to say that Germany (a crucial ally) doesn't pay enough??? That is a bullshit argument, and it pisses me off.

It is a fact. Germany does not pay the amount they pledged to pay. The only bullshit here is your post, which is nothing new.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2020 01:12 pm
@glitterbag,
Weakening NATO is what Putin wants which is why his lickspittle Trump is doing this.

Quote:
Hackers have broken into real news websites and posted fake stories stirring up anti-Nato sentiment, a cyber-security firm has warned.

The disinformation campaign, nicknamed "ghostwriter", has been ongoing since 2017, according to FireEye researchers.

It is designed to "chip away" at support for Nato in Lithuania, Latvia, and Poland, they said.

While the false stories are "aligned with Russian security interests", it is not known who is behind the attack.

The disinformation campaign uses "falsified news articles, quotes, correspondence and other documents designed to appear as coming from military officials and political figures in the target countries," FireEye said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53594440
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2020 01:27 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Sweet Jesus, everything you said was wrong.

Wrong again. Everything that I said is completely correct.


glitterbag wrote:
Perhaps you have an IQ of 130

170 actually.


glitterbag wrote:
it's glaringly apparent that you don't have a clue how this democracy works.

You cannot point out a single untrue statement in my posts.


glitterbag wrote:
Holy Mother of God, you are so poorly informed it hurts my feelings...Your parents should be embarrassed at the nonsense you mouth...

You cannot point out a single untrue statement in my posts.


glitterbag wrote:
Every thing I said is factual and correct, if you try to dispute my truth, everyone will see you as a boring drip of a nerd. Don't be a boring drip of a feckless nerd.

I am not sure what post of yours that you are referring to, but I'm not afraid to correct your untrue claims when I see them.

Unfortunately I've recently put all the low-IQ name-callers on ignore. While I'll still peak at your posts now and then (as I've just done with this one), I won't be reading most of your ignorant babbling.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2020 01:28 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
WHAT THE ACTUAL "F" IS HE DOING??

He's pulling troops out of Germany.

What's the problem? Pull them out of Germany and move them to Poland.

Not only is that a strategically sound move, but Poland isn't going to stab us in the back and castigate us as imperialistic warmongers.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2020 01:29 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Weakening NATO is what Putin wants which is why his lickspittle Trump is doing this.

Moving troops from Germany to Poland strengthens NATO.

And Poland isn't going to stab us in the back like Germany does.
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