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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 06:02 pm
Here is Trump's speech at Mount Rushmore for the 4th of July

From: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts


Donald Trump: (02:20)
Well, thank you very much. Governor Noem, Secretary Bernhardt, we very much appreciate it. Members of Congress, distinguished guests, and a very special hello to South Dakota. As we begin this 4th of July weekend, the First Lady and I would wish each and every one of you a very, very happy Independence Day. Thank you.

Donald Trump: (02:52)
Let us show our appreciation to the South Dakota Army and Air National Guard and the Air Force for inspiring us with that magnificent display of American air power, and of course our gratitude as always to the legendary and very talented Blue Angels. Thank you very much. Let us also send you our deepest thanks to our wonderful veterans, law enforcement, first responders, and the doctors, nurses, and scientists working tirelessly to kill the virus. They are working hard. I want to thank them very, very much. We’re grateful as well to your state’s congressional delegation. Senator John Thune. John, thank you very much. Senator Mike Rounds. Thank you, Mike. And Dusty Johnson, Congressman. Hi, Dusty. Thank you. And all others with us tonight from Congress, thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it.

Donald Trump: (04:07)
There could be no better place to celebrate America’s independence than beneath this magnificent, incredible majestic mountain and monument to the greatest Americans who have ever lived. Today we pay tribute to the exceptional lives and extraordinary legacies of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt. I am here as your president to proclaim before the country and before the world, this monument will never be desecrated, these heroes will never be defamed, their legacy will never ever be destroyed, their achievements will never be forgotten, and Mount Rushmore will stand forever as an eternal tribute to our forefathers and to our freedom.

Donald Trump: (05:29)
We gather tonight to herald the most important day in the history of nations, July 4th, 1776. At those words, every American heart should swell with pride, every American family should cheer with delight, and every American patriot should be filled with joy because each of you lives in the most magnificent country in the history of the world and it will soon be greater than ever before.

Donald Trump: (06:13)
Our founders launched not only a revolution in government, but a revolution in the pursuit of justice, equality, liberty, and prosperity. No nation has done more to advance the human condition than the United States of America and no people have done more to promote human progress than the citizens of our great nation. It was all made possible by the courage of 56 patriots who gathered in Philadelphia 244 years ago and signed the Declaration of Independence. They enshrined a divine truth that changed the world forever when they said, “All men are created equal.” These immortal words set in motion the unstoppable march of freedom. Our founders boldly declared that we are all endowed with the same divine rights, given us by our Creator in Heaven, and that which God has given us, we will allow no one ever to take away ever.

Donald Trump: (07:48)
1776 represented the culmination of thousands of years of Western civilization and the triumph of not only spirit, but of wisdom, philosophy, and reason. And yet, as we meet here tonight, there is a growing danger that threatens every blessing our ancestors fought so hard for, struggled, they bled to secure. Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they’re doing this, but some know what they are doing. They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive, but no, the American people are strong and proud and they will not allow our country and all of its values, history, and culture to be taken from them.

Donald Trump: (09:17)
One of their political weapons is cancel culture, driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and to our values and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America.

Donald Trump: (10:24)
This attack on our liberty, our magnificent liberty must be stopped and it will be stopped very quickly. We will expose this dangerous movement, protect our nation’s children from this radical assault, and preserve our beloved American way of life. In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished. It’s not going to happen to us.

Donald Trump: (11:25)
Make no mistake. This left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution. In so doing they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress. To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.

Crowd: (12:08)
Not on my watch.

Donald Trump: (12:09)
True. That’s very true actually. That is why I am deploying federal law enforcement to protect our monuments, arrest the rioters, and prosecutors offenders to the fullest extent of the law.

Crowd: (12:28)
Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

Donald Trump: (12:48)
Thank you.

Donald Trump: (12:51)
I am pleased to report that yesterday, federal agents arrested the suspected ringleader of the attack on the statue of the great Andrew Jackson in Washington, D.C., and in addition, hundreds more have been arrested. Under the executive order I signed last week pertaining to the Veterans Memorial Preservation Memorial and Recognition Act and other laws, people who damage or deface federal statues or monuments will get a minimum of 10 years in prison and obviously that includes our beautiful Mount Rushmore.

Donald Trump: (13:54)
Our people have a great memory. They will never forget the destruction of statues and monuments to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, abolitionists and many others. The violent mayhem we have seen in the streets and cities that are run by liberal Democrats in every case is the predictable result of years of extreme indoctrination and bias in education, journalism, and other cultural institutions. Against every law of society and nature, our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it were not heroes but that were villains. The radical view of American history is a web of lies, all perspective is removed, every virtue is obscured, every motive is twisted, every fact is distorted and every flaw is magnified until the history is purged and the record is disfigured beyond all recognition. This movement is openly attacking the legacies of every person on Mount Rushmore. They defiled the memory of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt. Today we will set history and history’s record straight.

Donald Trump: (15:51)
Before these figures were immortalized in stone, they were American giants in full flesh and blood, gallant men, whose intrepid deeds unleashed the greatest leap of human advancement the world has ever known. Tonight I will tell you and most importantly the youth of our nation the true stories of these great, great men. From head to toe George Washington represented the strength, grace, and dignity of the American people. From a small volunteer force of citizen farmers, he created the Continental Army out of nothing and rallied them to stand against the most powerful military on earth. Through eight long years, through the brutal winter at Valley Forge, through setback after setback on the field of battle, he led those patriots to ultimate triumph. When the army had dwindled to a few thousand men at Christmas of 1776, when defeat seemed absolutely certain, he took what remained of his forces on a daring nighttime crossing of the Delaware River. They marched through nine miles of frigid darkness, many without boots on their feet, leaving a trail of blood in the snow. In the morning, they seized victory at Trenton after forcing the surrender of the most powerful empire on the planet at Yorktown, General Washington did not claim power but simply returned to Mount Vernon as a private citizen.

Donald Trump: (17:56)
When called upon again, he presided over the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and was unanimously elected our first president. When he stepped down after two terms, his former adversary, King George called him the greatest man of the age. He remains first in our hearts to this day, for as long as Americans love this land, we will honor and cherish the father of our country, George Washington. He will never be removed, abolished, and most of all, he will never be forgotten. Thomas Jefferson, the great Thomas Jefferson, was 33 years old when he traveled north to Pennsylvania and brilliantly authored one of the greatest treasures of human history, the Declaration of Independence. He also drafted Virginia’s constitution and conceived and wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, a model for our cherished First Amendment. After serving as the first Secretary of State, and then Vice President, he was elected to the presidency. He ordered American warriors to crush Barbary pirates. He doubled the size of our nation with the Louisiana Purchase and he sent the famous explorers Lewis and Clark into the west on a daring expedition to the Pacific Ocean. He was an architect, an inventor, a diplomat, a scholar, the founder of one of the world’s great universities and an ardent defender of liberty. Americans will forever admire the author of American freedom, Thomas Jefferson, and he too will never, ever be abandoned by us.

Donald Trump: (20:50)
Abraham Lincoln, the savior of our union, was a self-taught country lawyer who grew up in a log cabin on the American frontier. The first Republican president, he rose to high office from obscurity based on a force and clarity of his anti-slavery convictions. Very, very strong convictions. He signed the law that built the Trans-Continental Railroad. He signed the Homestead Act given to some incredible scholars as simply defined ordinary citizens free land to settle anywhere in the American West, and he led the country through the darkest hours of American history, giving every ounce of strength that he had to ensure that government of the people, by the people and for the people did not perish from this earth. He served as commander in chief of the U.S. Armed Forces during our bloodiest war, the struggle that saved our union and extinguished the evil of slavery. Over 600,000 died in that war, more than 20, 000 were killed or wounded in a single day in Antietam. At Gettysburg 157 years ago, the Union bravely withstood an assault of nearly 15,000 men and threw back Pickett’s Charge. Lincoln won the Civil War. He issued the Emancipation Proclamation. He led the passage of the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery for all-time and ultimately his determination to preserve our nation and our union cost him his life. For as long as we live, Americans will uphold and revere the immortal memory of President Abraham Lincoln.

Donald Trump: (23:46)
Theodore Roosevelt exemplified the unbridled confidence of our national culture and identity. He saw the towering grandeur of America’s mission in the world and he pursued it with overwhelming energy and zeal. As a Lieutenant Colonel during the Spanish-American War, he led the famous Rough Riders to defeat the enemy at San Juan Hill. He cleaned up corruption as police commissioner of New York City, then served as the Governor of New York, Vice President, and at 42 years old, became the youngest ever President of the United States.

Donald Trump: (24:43)
He sent our great new naval fleet around the globe to announce America’s arrival as a world power. He gave us many of our national parks, including the Grand Canyon. He oversaw the construction of the awe-inspiring Panama Canal and he is the only person ever awarded both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was American freedom personified in full. The American people will never relinquish the bold, beautiful and untamed spirit of Theodore Roosevelt.

Donald Trump: (25:39)
No movement that seeks to dismantle these treasured American legacies can possibly have a love of America at its heart. Can’t happen. No person who remains quiet at the destruction of this resplendent heritage can possibly lead us to a better future. The radical ideology attacking our country advances under the banner of social justice, but in truth, it would demolish both justice and society. It would transform justice into an instrument of division and vengeance and it would turn our free and inclusive society into a place of a repression, domination, and exclusion. They want to silence us, but we will not be silenced.

Crowd: (26:43)
USA! USA! USA! USA!

Crowd: (26:43)
We love you!

Crowd: (26:43)
We love you President Trump.

Donald Trump: (27:11)
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

Donald Trump: (27:17)
We will state the truth in full without apology. We declare that the United States of America is the most just and exceptional nation ever to exist on earth. We are proud of the fact that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and we understand that these values have dramatically advanced the cause of peace and justice throughout the world. We know that the American family is the bedrock of American life. We recognize the solemn right and moral duty of every nation to secure its borders and we are building the wall. We remember that governments exist to protect the safety and happiness of their own people. A nation must care for its own citizens first. We must take care of America first. It’s time. We believe in equal opportunity, equal justice, and equal treatment for citizens of every race, background, religion and creed. Every child of every color, born and unborn, is made in the holy image of God.

Donald Trump: (29:26)
We want free and open debate, not speech codes and cancel culture. We embrace tolerance, not prejudice. We support the courageous men and women of law enforcement. We will never abolish our police or our great Second Amendment which gives us the right to keep and bear arms. We believe that our children should be taught to love their country, honor their history, and respect our great American flag. We stand tall, we stand proud, and we only kneel to Almighty God. This is who we are. This is what we believe and these are the values that will guide us as we strive to build an even better and greater future. Those who seek to erase our heritage want Americans to forget our pride and our great dignity so that we can no longer understand ourselves or America’s destiny. In toppling the heroes of 1776, they seek to dissolve the bonds of love and loyalty that we feel for our country and that we feel for each other. Their goal is not a better America, their goal is to end America.

Donald Trump: (31:25)
In its place, they want power for themselves, but just as patriots did in centuries past, the American people will stand in their way and we will win and win quickly and with great dignity. We will never let them rip America’s heroes from our monuments or from our hearts. By tearing down Washington and Jefferson, these radicals would tear down the very heritage for which men gave their lives to win the Civil War, they would erase the memory that inspired those soldiers to go to their deaths, singing these words of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, “As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.” They would tear down the principles that propelled the abolition of slavery and ultimately around the world ending an evil institution that had plagued humanity for thousands and thousands of years. Our opponents would tear apart the very documents that Martin Luther King used to express his dream and the ideas that were the foundation of the righteous movement for Civil Rights. They would tear down the beliefs, culture and identity, that have made America the most vibrant and tolerant society in the history of the earth. My fellow Americans, it is time to speak up loudly and strongly and powerfully and defend the integrity of our country.

Crowd: (33:36)
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Donald Trump: (34:03)
It is time for our politicians to summon the bravery and determination of our American ancestors. It is time. It is time to plant our flag and to protect the greatest of this nation for citizens of every race in every city in every part of this glorious land. For the sake of our honor, for the sake of our children, for the sake of our union, we must protect and preserve our history, our heritage, and our great heroes. Here tonight before the eyes of our forefathers, Americans declare again, as we did 244 years ago, that we will not be tyrannized, we will not be demeaned, and we will not be intimidated by bad, evil people. It will not happen.

Crowd: (35:12)
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Here is Trump's 4th of July speech at Mount Rushmore

Donald Trump: (35:32)
We will proclaim the ideals of the Declaration of Independence and we will never surrender the spirit and the courage and the cause of July 4, 1776. Upon this ground, we will stand firm and unwavering. In the face of lies meant to divide us, demoralize us and diminish us, we will show that the story of America unites us and –

Donald Trump: (36:03)
We will show that the story of America unites us, inspires us, includes us all, and makes everyone free. We must demand that our children are taught once again to see America as did Reverend Martin Luther King when he said that the founders had signed a promissory note to every future generation. Dr. King saw that the mission of justice required us to fully embrace our founding ideals. Those ideals are so important to us, the founding ideals.

Donald Trump: (36:43)
He called on his fellow citizens not to rip down their heritage, but to live up to their heritage. Above all, our children from every community must be taught that to be American is to inherit the spirit of the most adventurous and confident people ever to walk the face of the Earth. Americans are the people who pursued our Manifest Destiny across the ocean, into the uncharted wilderness, over the tallest mountains, and then into the skies, and even into the stars.

Donald Trump: (37:33)
We are the country of Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Frederick Douglas. We are the land of Wild Bill Hickock and Buffalo Bill Cody. We are the nation that gave rise to the Wright brothers, the Tuskegee airmen, Harriet Tubman, Clara Barton, Jesse Owens, George Patton, General George Patton, the great Louis Armstrong, Alan Shepard, Elvis Presley, and Muhammad Ali, and only America could have produced them all. No other place.

Donald Trump: (38:26)
We are the culture that put up the Hoover Dam, laid down the highways, and sculpted the skyline of Manhattan. We are the people who dreamed the spectacular dream, it was called Las Vegas in the Nevada desert, who built up Miami from the Florida marsh, and who carved our heroes into the face of Mount Rushmore. Americans harnessed electricity, split the atom, and gave the world the telephone and the internet. We settled the Wild West, won two World Wars, landed American astronauts on the moon.

Donald Trump: (39:25)
And one day very soon, we will plant our flag on Mars. We gave the world the poetry of Walt Whitman, the stories of Mark Twain, the songs of Irving Berlin, the voice of Ella Fitzgerald, the style of Frank Sinatra, the comedy of Bob Hope, the power of the Saturn V rocket, the toughness of the Ford F150, and the awesome might of the American aircraft carriers.

Donald Trump: (40:23)
Americans must never lose sight of this miraculous story. We should never lose sight of it. Nobody has ever done it like we have done it. So today, under the authority vested in me as President of the United States, I am announcing the creation of a new monument to the giants of our past. I am signing an executive order to establish the National Guard of American heroes, a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans to ever live.

Donald Trump: (41:24)
From this night, and from this magnificent place, let us go forward united in our purpose and rededicated in our resolve. We will raise the next generation of American patriots. We will write the next thrilling chapter of the American adventure. And we will teach our children to know that they live in a land of legends, that nothing can stop them, and that no one can hold them down. They will know that, in America, you can do anything, you can be anything, and together, we can achieve anything.

Donald Trump: (42:23)
Uplifted by the titans of Mount Rushmore, we will find unity that no one expected. We will make strides that no one thought possible. This country will be everything that our citizens have hoped for for so many years, and that our enemies fear, because we will never forget that the American freedom exists for American greatness. And that’s what we have, American greatness. Centuries from now, our legacy will be the cities we built, the champions we forged, the good that we did, and the monuments we created to inspire us all. My fellow citizens, America’s destiny is in our sights. America’s heroes are embedded in our hearts. America’s future is in our hands. And ladies and gentlemen, the best is yet to come. This has been a great honor for the First Lady and myself to be with you. I love your state. I love this country. I’d like to wish everybody a very happy Fourth of July to all. God bless you. God bless your families. God bless our great military, and God bless America. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 08:55 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon, two questions for you....

1) Do you understand why to many Americans (maybe even 50% of Amercans) this speech is a slap in the face? I am as American as Trump, and I feel this speech directly attacks me. He is pitting American against American.

2) Do you feel that this is appropriate for an American president to do in a time like this?
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 09:12 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Brandon, two questions for you....

1) Do you understand why to many Americans (maybe even 50% of Amercans) this speech is a slap in the face? I am as American as Trump, and I feel this speech directly attacks me. He is pitting American against American.

2) Do you feel that this is appropriate for an American president to do in a time like this?


Yes. Much more appropriate than rampaging through the streets beating people, killing people, setting things on fire, and taking over property that belongs to someone else. Tell me one very specific thing he said which you find offensive. And did you say pitting American against American? Gosh, it seems to me that calling people white supremacists merely because they disagree with you, throwing rocks at police, and saying that America is a racist country is kind of setting American against American.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 09:21 pm
@Brandon9000,
I hold the president of the United States to a different standard than I do angry people in the streat. I don't know why you think this comparison is relevant at all.

I agree with you that the violence and arson that have been committed are wrong (although there weren't as many cases of this as you imply).

This has nothing to do with the behavior of the president. One doesn't justify the other.

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 09:29 pm
@Brandon9000,
1) Calling me a "bad, evil person" is something I take rather personally.

2) ... as is making the accusation that I am on a "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children". This is rather harsh attack to make against Americans.

3) His defense of Confederate statues, completely ignoring the fact that the Confederate cause was distinctly anti-American is offensive.

4) He is telling Black Americans to "**** off". He is completely ignoring Black Americans who say that Confederate symbols threaten them as Americans.

5) His linking of being American with Judeo-Christian values alienates anyone who doesn't come from a European heritage.

6) He is making the argument that Dr. Martin Luther King would have defended Confederate monuments.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 09:35 pm
@Brandon9000,
Maybe a better post is for me to talk about what a good speech would have been.

1) Trump should recognize that Americans disagree with him, and say that he represents all Americans.

2) Trump should listen to the African-American protests and to accept that a significant proportion of Americans support them. He doesn't have to completely agree with them, but he should accept them as fellow Americans rather than as "bad evil people" who are threats rather than equal citizens.

3) Trump should acknowledge differences in general and as President should work to rise above the differences and reach out to the other side. He should call for Unity by being willing as the leader to listen and seek common ground.

Trump is the ******* president. It is his job to lead... it is his job to reach out across our difference and bring the country together.

If he did that, then I might not agree with him, but that would be my definition of a good speech. This was just a vicious attack on Americans on the other side.

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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 10:55 pm
@maxdancona,
I'll do a few of these now and hopefully a few later.

maxdancona wrote:
1) Calling me a "bad, evil person" is something I take rather personally.

He didn't call you a "bad, evil person." He called someone a "bad, evil person." Maybe it was the people who rampaged through the streets smashing, burning, and looting stores to show how upset they were about injustice. Maybe it was the people who tried to rush the White Hour by force again and again. Maybe it was the looter who shot ex-policeman David Dorn dead because he tried to defend his friend's shop. Or maybe it was the mobs of vigilantes who took it upon themselves to decide for the whole community to pull down statues because they didn't believe in the rule of the majority.

maxdancona wrote:
2) ... as is making the accusation that I am on a "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children". This is rather harsh attack to make against Americans.

What a dumb comment. It isn't an attack against Americans. It is an attack against the specific Americans who want to expurge every reference to history that doesn't pass their morality test or condemn American Founders who did many, many good things in their lives, but who were understandably indoctrinated in the primitive and often wrong ethics of their eras. And I am sure that they want to use schools to indoctrinate children in their views.

maxdancona wrote:
3) His defense of Confederate statues, completely ignoring the fact that the Confederate cause was distinctly anti-American is offensive.

Sorry, when did he do that?

maxdancona wrote:
4) He is telling Black Americans to "**** off". He is completely ignoring Black Americans who say that Confederate symbols threaten them as Americans.

No, he's not. Show me where he told black Americans to "f**k off." Maybe he's saying that the decision to destroy public statues should be made democratically and not by mobs of vigilantes.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 11:14 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon, I am asking you to accept that Americans who disagree with you are also Americans. They have equal rights to you and are American in every way. I accept that there are people on the left that don't accept you as a real American. You will notice that I challenge them (and I take a lot of flack from the on this very forum).

We have two ideological extremes throwing mud at each other. I don't approve of this from either side and one doesn't justify the other.

I don't believe that you are ignorant of what Trump is doing. Someone like me along will a large part the American public will see this as an personal attack on them. And Trump meant this as a personal attack. There is no other way to understand this. He uses loaded words like "heritage" that any idiot will understand as supporting the Confederate cause. And he completely ignores the reason that people are "tearing down statues". He is refusing to even admit that there is a valid issue here.

I don't believe you are really as ignorant as you are pretending. But let me explain it this way.

1. Obama never successfully unified the country. But Obama tried to reach out to the right. Obama listened to police and said they had a valid fear of not being safe. Obama listened to gun owners and to Christians. He didn't always agree with them, but in speech after speech Obama acknowledged them as Americans an said he wanted to find common ground.

2. All I am asking of Trump is to act presidential. Why can't he stop using useless incendiary words like referring to the statues being pulled down as "our nation's heritage"? This doesn't serve the country in any way. It doesn't increase understanding. It doesn't seek to create understanding between the two sides.

He is pitting American against American.

When Hillary referred to Americans on the other political side as "Despicable", I squawked. I have never hidden my dislike of Hillary Clinton even though she is on my political side.

Hillary lost the election primarily because she attacked Americans on the other side rather than reaching out to them.

If you understand why Hillary lost, then you should be able to understand why this speech was so divisive.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2020 11:22 pm
The defense of Mount Rushmore is racially insensitive in a way that you might not know about.

Mount Rushmore is on land that was given to Native Americans in 1868. The United States signed a treaty called the Treaty of Fort Laramie giving his land to Native Americans "in perpetuity".

The US stole the land back in 1876 in a bloody war. The word "stole" is absolutely correct. This land legally belong to the Native Americans by treaty. The United States government took it by force.

Mount Rushmore was designed from the beginning as a tourist trap. There is nothing patriotic about it... any more than Disney Land's hall of presidents.

So now Trump is using this silly tourist trap on land stolen in a broken treaty as a way to score political points against minorities.

Trump wrote:
I am here as your president to proclaim before the country and before the world, this monument will never be desecrated, these heroes will never be defamed, their legacy will never ever be destroyed, their achievements will never be forgotten, and Mount Rushmore will stand forever as an eternal tribute to our forefathers and to our freedom.


This is a ridiculous statement by Trump that is seen as bit "**** you" to Native Americans. I know this for a fact, Native Americans are rightly pissed off.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 12:24 pm
Just for the record.

The "mainstream media" covered this speech pretty extensively (if by mainstream media you mean, NPR, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, The New York Times, Washington Post and Politico and pretty much every news organization of note including Al Jezeera).
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 04:16 pm
@maxdancona,
you miss their points. They WANT the various media to ignore Plump's speeches because they can whine as victims and claim how they are the only"True patriots".
CSpan ran it before Book TV and I gotta admit, Fidel must have been hi coach because after a few minutes of sense, he went off into some new star date.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 04:23 pm
@maxdancona,
Actually we dont agree on the sobriquet of "True Americans"> I find guys like Oral an pinky to be convinced that those who are from the other political pole are guilty of sedition and should be erased. Neither seems to believe that the Bill of Rights is for EVERYONE.
In that respect they are the truly dangerous ones who represent, like allTrumpys, a belief in creeping fascism.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 04:31 pm
@farmerman,
You are expressing a steong dislike of the extremism on the right. Ok..
.that's all fine and good (although I am not sure it is helpful).

My point is that under our system of government, Oralloy have every right to participate in politics. They have the right to vote and they have the right to promote their side.

I have seen Oralloy find common ground with liberals. The more that happens, the stronger our democracy is.


If that is too dangerous than democracy is too dangerous.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:07 pm
@maxdancona,
Who said I have to be "helpful" to some folks whose opinions I find repulsive??
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:12 pm
@farmerman,
Hopefully we can convince some number of these folks to vote for Joe Biden in spite of the way you feel about them. I would also like to have a sincere talk about issues like Black Lives Matter with them... and hopefully be able to build bridges. It is unlikely that the will agree with me on anything, but it is a good thing to have the conversation and if we can find areas of common ground...

The best way to ensure that movements like Black Lives Matter succeed is to win over people like Oralloy. This has been done.... the Gay marriage movement reached out with a simple message; we are human beings. Because they reached out to typically conservative people, they were able to win over a significant number of them.

On this issue, by reaching out to middle Americans rather than attacking them, the LGBT movement has made significant progress.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:42 pm
@maxdancona,
If you can get cj and Ollie to vote for Biden i will buy you a beer, hell I will buy you 2 beers.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:44 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Who said I have to be "helpful" to some folks whose opinions I find repulsive??


Exactly.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:46 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

If you can get cj and Ollie to vote for Biden i will buy you a beer, hell I will buy you 2 beers.


I will take a Cider please (I am gluten free).
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 07:48 pm
@RABEL222,
We need to reach out to everyone in order to convince as many as possible.

Hillary wrote off Americans by calling them "despicable". Hopefully the Democrats won't do that again. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump in 2016 who can now be persuaded to vote against Trump in 2020. The more these people feel respected by the Democrats, the more of them will vote for Biden. It doesn't have to be everyone... a small percentage is what we need.

The Democrats can't afford to write people off or to insult voters.

We have a real shot of taking Texas this year, but the Democrats need to be able to reach out to typically conservative voters.


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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 08:45 pm
@farmerman,
oralloy has openly espoused "doing away wth progressives", why should he have any unique rights ??
. Apparently max doesnt read too carefully.
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