Which Religion is the one truly most Murderous?

nor are the teachings of DEUTERONOMY & LEVITICUS.

Moishe3rd wrote:

I could assume that you are being facetious.

Not at all, Moishe. Christianity would be nil w/o the Light brought to the world by Moses and the Prophets.

Question: Do you believe in the ethical and moral priniciples laid out in DEUTERONOMY & LEVITICUS?

I suspect your reading of these books may be different from mine.

However, just to be clear, what people believe they know about Judaism is generally seen through the eyes of Christians or possibly Muslims or non-religious Jews.
And, this has been true for a long time, since the inception of Christianity. Therefore, people have a picture of Judaism, where "everybody knows that," and where "it is obvious" that Jews believe a certain thing that jibes with how Christians or others have interpreted the "old testament" for a couple of thousand years.
This is not true.
What religious Jews believe the "old testament" and other Jewish "scripture" "says," is quite different from what Christians and others believe that it says.
The short and simple is that 99% of the world, including most non-religious Jews, have no idea what the religion of Judaism is about.

The Christian doctrine says the Jews that don't convert are condemned to hell.

KiwiChic wrote:

I dont need to follow any 'organised institution'

Agreed, KC: Jesus is not an "organised institution," by any means. Nor, for that matter, are the teachings of DEUTERONOMY & LEVITICUS.
You obviously are clueless at what I said

KiwiChic wrote:

and all I see is bitching between everyone when any sort of religious factor comes into any conversation

Ditto for politics. It's bec., ultimately, they both deal with life-n-death issues. Where did I mention Politics or even a comparison?

KiwiChic wrote:

its not religion who is the most murderous, its man plain and simple.

Exactly, Kiwi! It's bec. man has this bad case of soul-cancer, which is why we all need healing.

Moishe3rd wrote:

However, just to be clear, what people believe they know about Judaism is generally seen through the eyes of Christians or possibly Muslims or non-religious Jews.
And, this has been true for a long time, since the inception of Christianity. Therefore, people have a picture of Judaism, where "everybody knows that," and where "it is obvious" that Jews believe a certain thing that jibes with how Christians or others have interpreted the "old testament" for a couple of thousand years.
This is not true.
What religious Jews believe the "old testament" and other Jewish "scripture" "says," is quite different from what Christians and others believe that it says.
The short and simple is that 99% of the world, including most non-religious Jews, have no idea what the religion of Judaism is about.

Christians believe that it is they who understand what the Jewish scripture says. Based on their faith, Christians are now the true people of G-d.

According to Christian doctrine (and largely based on the writings of the apostle Paul from the Christian scriptures), the Jewish people failed to accept Jesus as the Messiah because of their disobedience to G-d and lack of faith. G-d then turned to the Gentiles, in part as a way to turn some of the Jews back to Him.

As such, the Christians believe that they are now the true people of G-d and by extension, the rightful heirs of the Torah, the prophets and the Jewish heroes of faith. But, modern Christians believe that G-d has a special plan for the Jewish race.

Most Modern Christians (at least Evangelical American Christians) believe that when the Messiah returns, the faithful Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah. There is a whole eschatology that involves the reunification of all of the biblical lands of Israel and a mass conversion of faithful Jews to Christ.

The Christian doctrine says the Jews that don't convert are condemned to hell.

its not religion who is the most murderous, its man plain and simple.

Most Modern Christians (at least Evangelical American Christians) believe that when the Messiah returns, the faithful Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah. There is a whole eschatology that involves the reunification of all of the biblical lands of Israel and a mass conversion of faithful Jews to Christ.

The Christian doctrine says the Jews that don't convert are condemned to hell.

KiwiChic wrote:

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its not religion who is the most murderous, its man plain and simple.

The same thing is said of guns. Guns don't kill people do.

However, they ignore the reality that if you take away the instrument they won't have guns to kill with and religion as an excuse to do murder.

Would you care to spell it out exactly what it is the tiny remnants of Gods chosen people do believe?

Oh no dont bother. I can guess.

So the Jews say the Christians will go to hell for beaking gods Law? The Muslims say something similar. The muslims say the Jews will go to hell, the christians say the muslims will.

I think we are making real progress here.

That's a little ungrateful Au.

The strongest support in the US for the right of Israel to "defend" herself comes not from the Jewish community, but from evangelical Christians. Many Jewish groups in the US want Israel to act with restraint, and there is a part of the Jewish community that pretty much agrees with me.

But most evangelical Christians strongly support Israel's right to control all of the land including the West Bank and Gaza. They also strongly suport all of Israels actions without question.

They do this primarily because they believe Christian prophesy that states that when the Jews controll allo f the Biblical land of Israel, Jesus Christ will return. The Christian responsibility to convert the Jews to Christianity when this happens is an important part of the doctrine.

But Christians are the best allies for those who support the actions of Israel without question and believe that Israel has a right to all of the occupied lands. This is why Bush always talks about the right of Israel to defend herself. He is talking to his Christian Right base.

You should at least say thanks.

I contend it is Christians that will be condemned to hell when the true Messiah comes because they have broken Gods law.
" You shall have no other God before me."
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That's a little ungrateful Au.

The strongest support in the US for the right of Israel to "defend" herself comes not from the Jewish community, but from evangelical Christians. Many Jewish groups in the US want Israel to act with restraint, and there is a part of the Jewish community that pretty much agrees with me.

But most evangelical Christians strongly support Israel's right to control all of the land including the West Bank and Gaza. They also strongly suport all of Israels actions without question.

They do this primarily because they believe Christian prophesy that states that when the Jews controll allo f the Biblical land of Israel, Jesus Christ will return. The Christian responsibility to convert the Jews to Christianity when this happens is an important part of the doctrine.

But Christians are the best allies for those who support the actions of Israel without question and believe that Israel has a right to all of the occupied lands. This is why Bush always talks about the right of Israel to defend herself. He is talking to his Christian Right base.

You should at least say thanks.

ebrown_p wrote:

That's a little ungrateful Au.

The strongest support in the US for the right of Israel to "defend" herself comes not from the Jewish community, but from evangelical Christians. Many Jewish groups in the US want Israel to act with restraint, and there is a part of the Jewish community that pretty much agrees with me.

But most evangelical Christians strongly support Israel's right to control all of the land including the West Bank and Gaza. They also strongly suport all of Israels actions without question.

They do this primarily because they believe Christian prophesy that states that when the Jews controll allo f the Biblical land of Israel, Jesus Christ will return. The Christian responsibility to convert the Jews to Christianity when this happens is an important part of the doctrine.

But Christians are the best allies for those who support the actions of Israel without question and believe that Israel has a right to all of the occupied lands. This is why Bush always talks about the right of Israel to defend herself. He is talking to his Christian Right base.

You should at least say thanks.

Maybe some people support Israel, at least in part, because of the Paletinians who strap nail bombs to their waists and blow themselves up in public marketplaces, throw old crippled Jewish men in wheelchairs over the sides of ships, fire bazookas at school buses filled with children(May 8, 1970), etc., etc.