Which Religion is the one truly most Murderous?

LionTamerX wrote:

Which part of "Thou shalt not kill." is so difficult to understand ?

God never said "thou shalt not kill." The commandment is "thou shalt not murder," and after dictating the commandments to Moses, God ordered the Israelites to slaughter every man, woman and child occupying the lands he intended them to have. In addition to the 10 Cs, God gave Moses a lot of other laws with a mandatory death penalty for witches, false prophets, relatives who entice you to worship other gods, disobedient children, cursing your parents, sexual misconduct, doing work on the Sabbath, blasphemy, etc.

Which part of the Bible did you not understand, the part where God orders His people to put miscreants to death and massacre their neighbors, or the part where God drowns almost everyone on earth, slaughters first-borns, inflicts plagues, fire and brimstone and kills in myriad other ways, or the part where God required his own son to be killed as a sacrifice to himself to keep himself from sending us to the hell he designed for us as a punishment for having the sins he inflicted on us by inheritance from Adam and Eve, whom he set up for failure in the first place?

This may be hard to believe, Terry, but Adam and Eve were mentally perfect. They were smarter than me. They were even smarter than Setanta. And they were surely smarter than you.

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This may be hard to believe, Terry, but Adam and Eve were mentally perfect. They were smarter than me. They were even smarter than Setanta. And they were surely smarter than you.

Hey now, At least I am smart enough not to take fruit from a talking snake...

The 5,000 figure that is being thrown around is "honor killings". The religion or culture of perpretator or victim is irrelevent. Honor killings are a problem in some Moslem countries. However, the figure includes Hindu dowry killings and what the UN includes "similar attacks in Latin American countries".

The concept of honor killing is just as much a part of the Jewish religion as it is a part of the Muslim religion. It was established with the law of Moses.

Modern Jewish clerics, along with modern Islamic clerics now overwhelmingly condemn the practice.

There are plenty of examples of honor killings being practiced in Muslim contries, and in India (a predominantly Hindu country).

I think that it is now rare in Israel, not because of the superiority of the Jewish religion, but because Israel is an industrialized nation which is greatly influenced by European culture.

If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.

The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

A corporal of truth escorting an army of misconceptions - the largest of which is that Adam and Eve were set up to fail. This may be hard to believe, Terry, but Adam and Eve were mentally perfect. They were smarter than me. They were even smarter than Setanta. And they were surely smarter than you.

They had a clear choice of whether to accept or reject God's sovereignty. They and the god they chose to serve set in motion all the abominations you are so eager to attribute to the true God. The bible provides a complete explanation which you would have to read in order to understand.

From The law of Moses (Deuteronomy 22)

Moses wrote:

If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.

The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

This seems to be an example of the very definition of honor killing.

From The law of Moses (Deuteronomy 22)

Moses wrote:

If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.

The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

This seems to be an example of the very definition of honor killing.

neologist wrote:

A corporal of truth escorting an army of misconceptions - the largest of which is that Adam and Eve were set up to fail. This may be hard to believe, Terry, but Adam and Eve were mentally perfect. They were smarter than me. They were even smarter than Setanta. And they were surely smarter than you.

They had a clear choice of whether to accept or reject God's sovereignty. They and the god they chose to serve set in motion all the abominations you are so eager to attribute to the true God. The bible provides a complete explanation which you would have to read in order to understand.

I have read the Bible, but apparently you have not.

Adam and Eve were certainly NOT mentally perfect. They were ignorant and disobedient. We have no way of knowing their intelligence level, but I while I would agree that they were likely smarter than you, I would be willing to bet that they were not as smart or well-informed as Setanta, ebrown, me, and many other A2K members.

If God is omniscient, he knew when he created Adam and Eve that their particular brains and characters (which he gave them) would lead them to eat the fruit. Why do you suppose that he designed a test that he must have known they would fail? Why do you suppose that he gave a snake the magical ability to talk (reptilian brains lack the structures required for language and snakes have no vocal apparatus) and the understanding of the fruit's true powers that he denied to Adam and Eve? Why do you suppose that God wanted them to remain naked and ignorant?

God told Adam that he would die on the day he ate the fruit. The serpent told Eve that they would not die but that their eyes would be opened and they would be like God, knowing good and evil. They ate, they did not die, and their eyes were opened. The serpent was absolutely truthful but God lied.

If God created everything, then he is solely responsible for the abominations, including the ones blamed on the flawed beings he created.

Neo, you may be a real fart smeller, but i've never made any claims to intellectual majesty, so do me the courtesy of not placing me on a pedestal i've never aspired to climb. Thank you.

Etymologist . . . that's absurd, i hate bugs.

As for the simple equation that most adherents=most killers, i think that can be quickly disposed of. It is entirely possible to have a non-violent community with deep religious conviction and a large population; it would not follow that the large number of adherents in such a community would be by default productive of a large number of killers.

I still vote for christianity--with or without benefit of clery, them boys has been akillin' and arapin' and aplunderin' to beat the band for nigh on to two millenia . . .

And, I would say that it appears to be Deuteronomy's definition of something, although it bears no resemblance to what is called honor killing amongst Muslims.
It sure as hell isn't the "law of Moses."
It is convenient to associate it with Judaism for your purposes.
It bears no resemblance whatsoever to what you wish to call the "law of Moses;" the first five books of the bible called the Five Books of Moses; the Torah; Jewish Law; or anything that even vaguely resembles anything Jewish.

20 But if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the damsel; 21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die; because she hath wrought a wanton deed in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.

But Adam and Eve were smarter still. You assumed that because they chose to fail what seems to us a simple test, they must have lacked intelligence.

So you believe God, not Satan, is the cause of all the evil in the world. What you fail to take into account is the operation of free will. There was only one sin Adam and Eve could commit: the decision of whether or not to be bound by God's rules.

Surely you must realize Satan spoke through the serpent using his own powers.

Satan: "You positively will not die."
Fact: Adam and Eve lost their physical perfection and began their decline toward death on that same earth day. Additionally, they died within the thousand year period often referred to as a prophetic day.

Fact: They ate and were given the knowledge of good and bad. Now they could decide for themselves. Tell me: How has humankind done in the thousands of years since in managing good and bad?