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Mississippi lawmakers poised to pass bill removing Confederate emblem from its state flag.

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:21 am
@Olivier5,
I think it is pretty clear that Floyd's death has changed the minds of a lot of people. For eight plus minutes, you can watch a man die, slowly, desperate for air, pleading while one policeman kills him and three others watch, bored. This is on top of a whole series of videos, but a lot of those had some action to them. You could choose to believe the police were acting in good conscience, that the scene was chaotic, etc. even if you had to stretch your imagination to do it. Even in the Arbery killing (three white men running a jogger down and shooting him) some people will say "well they were fighting over the gun". There is no defense in the Floyd killing. He was helpless, he was murdered and the police did it. Add to that the videos of people calling the police on black people for the most innocuous of activities and a picture that was all to obvious to black people but invisible to whites is becoming very visible.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:27 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
videos of people calling the police on black people for the most innocuous of activities

Threatening and menacing a woman in the park is innocuous?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:37 am
@engineer,
Yes, cellphone cameras changed a lot of things. Now we can see with our own eyes things that were easily ignored before. But the demonstrations also played a role in signaling and stroking public anger about it, and hence raising awareness about it.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:44 am
@Olivier5,
Absolutely. If there were no protests, these state governments would ignore all these events just like they've done for decades. The protests generate reporting, generate conversations between people who generally wouldn't discuss this, make people think. I've discussed race relations with my kids and my wife more in the last month than in our entire lives before this and I've never really shied away from the discussions in the past. And they are engaged, they are asking questions. The protests keep the discussion front and center.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:48 am
@engineer,
And yet, apparently some people feel "exhausted" about this conversation on race... as if it was some kind of gruesome work to exchange ideas with your neighbour.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:53 am
@Olivier5,
What's the point of talking to deranged progressives when deranged progressives just deny reality?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 06:56 am
I am SUPER happy to see more police accountability. I believe ending qualified immunity. The idea that there has to be specific case law telling a cop that he shouldn't kneel on a person's neck for 8 minutes is too ridiculous to be real. \

There are good cops out there. The majority of them are. But the bad ones are sooooo bad that they have to be rooted out and put into a position where they cannot destroy innocent lives.
Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 08:44 am
@chai2,
Quote:
You honestly believe that?

Really?

1. Yes, I wholeheartedly believe that the constant, persistent and relentless protesting is the very reason that these positive changes are actually happening.

2. Yes, I wholeheartedly believe that the relentless protesting is probably the single biggest reason we are now seeing these positive changes occurring.

3. Yes, I wholeheartedly believe that without the relentless protesting, we probably wouldn't be seeing any of these positive changes occurring.

4. Yes, I believe that with every fiber of my being.

5. I guess we don't agree on this very specific issue.

6. Of course you have every right to express your opinion.

7. Even while I disagree with you on this very specific issue, I still respect your difference of opinion.




Quote:
So, because George Floyd died tragically, suddenly all these protests have changed the hearts and minds of millions of people?
Oh, excuse me.
Millions of white people.

1. Yes, that is exactly what I believe.

2. As I already stated, I actually do respect your opinion, I just don't necessarily agree with you on this issue.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 09:04 am
@McGentrix,
I think the thing to remember about the good cops is that if they aren't willing to stop the bad cops, they are part of the problem. Those three cops standing by while Floyd died probably wouldn't have killed him if they had been on lead, but they also weren't willing to "protect and serve" Floyd. That's a real problem.
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 09:07 am
@engineer,
That is incorrect. One of them did speak up.

And two of them (including the one who spoke up) are rookies who were in their first week on the job.

How much do you expect a first-week rookie to do when he protests and is overruled by a senior officer?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2020 01:34 pm
@oralloy,
What Ollie posted is true but that doesn't negate the fact that policemen should regularly have to pass mental examinations to prove that they can control their racist tendencies and prove their first thought is not to pull a gun where there is no danger.

Edit. Police face a great amount of stress and need to be checked regularly to make sure they are stable. This means more cost and training by departments which means money for health tests should be increased rather than spending money on tanks and more lethal weapons. Something the feds should be doing rather than giving military weapons to police.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2020 11:33 pm
Mississippi officially takes down flag with
confederate emblem.


Published: July 1, 2020


revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2020 05:44 pm
@Real Music,
Hurrah. Very good news.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 01:49 am
@revelette1,
What is good about anti-South bigotry and intolerance?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:48 am
@oralloy,
Nothing, obviously. Slave owners were truly despicable, bigoted people who indeed hated many Southeners.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:58 am
@Olivier5,
Today's progressives have much in common with them.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:07 am
@oralloy,
How many times have you been whipped by a progressive?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:14 am
@Olivier5,
None. I have no intention of allowing anyone to harm me. If someone tries to harm me I shall apply the three S's without mercy or hesitation.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:19 am
@oralloy,
Okay so you’re crying about nothing.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:43 am
@Olivier5,
Progressive bigotry and intolerance is despicable. It is right and proper that people oppose it.
 

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