john w k wrote:Debra_Law wrote:
JWK:
You claim to be an constitutional expert who runs his own "American Constitutional Research Service." Accordingly, if you have the slightest idea of the things you are talking about, you should be able to read my posts and understand them.
Making things up, again, Debra? Please post my words in which I claimed to be a “constitutional expert“.
Do you understand what the word “research” means as in American Constitutional Research Service?
I need clarification. Are you claiming that you're NOT an expert with respect to the Constitution?
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ex·pert
1 obsolete : EXPERIENCED
2 : having, involving, or displaying special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience
synonym see PROFICIENT
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char·la·tan
1 : QUACK 2
2 :
one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability : FRAUD, FAKER
- char·la·tan·ism /-t&-"ni-z&m/ noun
- char·la·tan·ry /-rE/ noun
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jwk wrote: . . . Fact is, our federal government personifies a living creature, a predator: it grows, it multiplies, it protects itself, it feeds on those it can defeat, and does everything to expand and flourish, even at the expense of enslaving a nation’s entire population with a national debt which exceeds $50 Trillion. Indeed, the servant has become the master over those who have created a servant, and the new servant pays tribute to a gangster government which ignores our most basic law…our constitutions, state and federal.
John William Kurowski, Founder,
American Constitutional Research Service
“He has erected a multitude of new offices , and sent hither swarms of officers, to harass our people, and eat out their substance” ___Declaration of Independence
[Permission is hereby given to reprint this article if credit to its author and the ACRS appears in such reprint. No copyright is claimed for quotes within the article which are public domain materials.]
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What are you doing, jwk? Are your facts and conclusions based on having, involving, or displaying special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience? Or did you simply establish yourself as the "founder" of a made-up service in order to lend credibility to your opinions where none exists? When you sign your posts and articles with your name, your title, and the organization that you represent (or made up to lend credibility to your words when none exists), are you portraying yourself as an expert or are you putting on a showy pretense to your knowledge or ability?
jwk wrote:Fact is the SCOTUS has become America’s public enemy number one and acts in the interests of the rich and powerful.
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JWK
ACRS
The above is another example of you portraying yourself as an expert or "something" on the facts that you set forth and the conclusions you reach based on the facts as you present them . . . it appears that you are portraying yourself as an authoritative, knowledgeable, skilled voice on the subject matter bolstered by your signature and credentials. But, appearances can be deceiving. Hmmmmm.
Okay. Is this a loophole? "I never claimed to be an expert . . . post my words where I claimed to be an expert."
I'm trying to figure out your expert/nonexpert stance. Let's see: You are a prolific writer on constitutional interpretation and construction; you state authoritative opinions based on your knowledge or skill developed through your research; even so, you do not "openly" hold yourself out as someone with special knowledge or skill with respect to the subject matter by specifically claiming to be an expert; and if any of us are mislead by your self-proclaimed credentials as the Founder of the American Constitutional Research Service . . . that doesn't mean that you're either an expert or a charlatan . . . that simply means that the rest of us don't know the meaning of the word "research."
Now I'm confused about the true meaning of the word "service" with respect to the service for which you are the founder. To whom do you offer your NON-expert American constitutional research services? Do you have clients that solicit your non-expert services to conduct non-expert research services?
Perhaps the rest of us wouldn't be confused or mislead about your non-expert services if you could explain the ACRS for which you are the founder. Is it a bona fide service offered to the public or an illusory service that offers services to no one but simply exists to serve YOU and lend credibility to your opinions and articles? Do you have a website?
But, just so I'm not intentionally or unintentionally misled in the future, I would appreciate clarification. You are NOT an expert on the constitution? What is the purpose of placing "ACRS" after your initials? A small explanation would be in order so we don't jump to conlcusions and start falsely believing you're an expert . . . just so we know how to properly construe the representation for future reference.
Debra_Law wrote:
Either you're evading or avoiding or you truly don't understand. If it's the former, I'm tired of your hypocritical game. If it's the latter, you truly need to reevaluate the merits of presenting yourself as a constitutional expert.
jwk wrote: And where have I presented myself as a “constitutional expert”, Debra? Please post my words to support your claim.
Debra_Law wrote:
hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
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Here are your professed beliefs:
PROFESSED BELIEF No. 1: The Bill of Rights (including the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment) applies to FEDERAL ACTION ONLY. The Takings Clause does not apply to STATE ACTION.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:The Bill of Rights contained in our federal Constitution was adopted with the intent of limiting the actions of Congress and the federal government
That was certainly true when the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. I posted the Supreme Court decision that set forth the original intent of the Fifth Amendment:
Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243 (1833)
Accordingly, in 1833 (do the math: 172 years ago), the fifth amendment was understood as restraining the power of the General (federal)Government; it was not applicable to the States. Therefore, the Supreme Court acknowledged that it did not have subject matter jurisdiction and dismissed this eminent domain case.
BUT . . . the Barron case was decided long before the passage and ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868.
Debra_Law wrote:
Here are your professed beliefs:
PROFESSED BELIEF No. 2: The Fourteenth Amendment applies to STATE ACTION, but only when a state seeks to regulate on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted to prohibit legislation based upon race, color or former condition of slavery and secure the same civil rights [not political rights] as enjoyed by whites. It was intended to carry into effect the first Civil Rights Act and give it the force of constitutional authority.
Read the Fourteenth Amendment:
"Section 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive
any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to
any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. . . .
Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
This post-civil war amendment certainly was intended to benefit newly-freed slaves, but newly-freed slaves and other black persons were not the exclusive beneficiaries of the sweeping protections of the Fourteenth Amendment. The framers and ratifiers did not expressly limit the application of the amendment only to those situations where the state seeks to regulate on the basis of race, color or former condition of slavery.
Debra_Law wrote:
Here are your professed beliefs:
PROFESSED BELIEF No. 3: Your first two "professed beliefs" are based on your construction of the Constitution which in turn is based on what you believe was the original intent of the framers and ratifiers of the Bill of Rights and Fourteenth Amendment.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:My first two beliefs as stated are not based upon my construction of the Constitution, but rather, are based upon, and in accordance with, the most fundamental principle of constitutional law ___ to carry out the intent of the constitution as contemplated by those who framed it and the people who adopted it.
The irony of your position is the framers and ratifiers never intended that their varied and indeterminate intentions would be controlling. If you take all the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Fourteenth Amendment and resurrected them from their graves and asked them what their intentions were when they proposed the amendment or ratified the proposed amendment, you would get thousands of different responses. So . . . whose intentions would be controlling? Among all those who would express their intent, how would we pick and choose?
It is significant that the Framers decided on the last day of the Convention (September 17, 1787) not to publish any record of their deliberations. They decided instead to entrust all papers to Convention President George Washington. Throughout the summer too there was a strict code of secrecy, a "gag" rule on all those in attendance. No one was to mention a word about the proceedings to anyone outside the Convention. If we expect arguments about Framers' intent to bring the meaning of the Constitution more explicitly to light, the Framers themselves were certainly quite resourceful in making it very difficult, if not impossible, for us to recover their intentions. James Madison, who kept the most extensive notes during the course of the Convention, also refused to publish his journal until after his death:
"or, at least, . . . till the Constitution should be well settled by practice, and till a knowledge of the controversial part of the proceedings of its framers could be turned to no improper account . . . . As a guide in expounding and applying the provisions of the Constitution, the debates and incidental decisions of the Convention can have no authoritative character."
We have direct evidence that the Framers themselves tried to block access to their deliberations in part because they did not wish their original intent to play an "authoritative" role in subsequent efforts to interpret the meaning of the text.
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All framers and ratifiers understood the framework of our government and understood that the words of the Constitution and the Amendments would be interpreted and construed on a case-by-case basis by the Courts with the ultimate authority for interpreting and construing left in the hands of the United States Supreme Court.
This has already been pointed out to you on a previous thread:
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kuvasz wrote:. . . The intents of the workings of the Constitution were open to interpretation from the very beginning. Hamilton stated that clear enough.
From Federalist Paper Number 78.
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"The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body"
Your position that the Constitution is limited by the framers' and ratifiers' intent belies the intent of the framers and ratifiers themselves. In turn, your position that the Fourteenth Amendment is limited again by the intent of the framers and ratifiers is simply begging the question because we don't know whose intent would be controlling. In turn, your position that the protections of the Fourteenth Amendment are limited to cases where the state regulates on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery is not supported by the explicit language of the Fourteenth Amendment itself.
And, at this point, I will again point out an example of your hypocrisy -- defined as an act or instance of FALSENESS in the application of your professed beliefs.
During the course of the Schiavo controversy, you advocated that the State of Florida was in violation of Terri Schiavo's right to life protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. You wrote extensively on the subject and posted all over the internet your professed belief that Terry Schiavo was denied the protections of the Fourteenth Amendment, see, e.g.:
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:Terri Schiavo: Due Process Denied?
By AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE
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Bottom line
Terri has been denied due process of law, and there is substantial cause for her case to be reviewed under a 14th amendment appeal as outlined above.
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http://www.jeffersonreview.com/articles/2005/032105/terri.htm
Well? I thought you professed a belief that the Fourteenth Amendment did NOT apply to state action unless the state was depriving an individual of life, liberty, or property on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery. Now I'm confused . . . the courts in the State of Florida did not order the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube on the basis of her race, color, or former condition of slavery.
Accordingly, if we give the Fourteenth Amendment the narrow construction that you demand in accordance with your professed beliefs concerning the framers' and ratifiers' intent, then you have no gripe against the Florida courts the same as you have no gripe against the Supreme Court in the Kelo case . . . because, according to you, the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to vest federal courts with authority/jurisdiction to review the constitutionality of state action except in very limited circumstances.
Your application of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Schiavo case demonstrates another act or instance of FALSENESS in your professed beliefs . . . hence, hypocrisy as defined above.
Debra_Law wrote:
Here are your professed beliefs:
PROFESSED BELIEF No. 4: Whenever the United States Supreme Court applies any of the protections in the Bill of Rights to STATE ACTION (via the Fourteenth Amendment), the Supreme Court is subverting the Constitution, betraying Federalism, committing an act of Tyranny, and becomes a PUBLIC ENEMY.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:Whenever the SCOTUS renders a decision contrary to the intent of the Constitution as contemplated by those who framed it and the people who adopted it, the Court is subjugating the will of the people and imposing its own whims and fancies as being the law of the land.
The Supreme Court has interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment to incorporate some of the protections of the Bill of Rights into the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and has made those protections enforceable against the States.
It is your position that the framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment NEVER intended the "takings clause" of the Fifth Amendment to be incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment and made enforceable against the States EXCEPT when the State takes property on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery.
And yet you betray your professed beliefs by claiming the Supreme Court failed to properly apply the Fifth Amendment to protect an individual against an unconstitutional taking. If the Supreme Court didn't have authority or jurisdiction to hear the case in the first place to apply the Fifth Amendment to protect an individual against state action, how can you criticize the Court for failing to rule in favor of the individual?
If you are true to your professed beliefs, then it is also your position that the framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment NEVER intended the fundamental to the jury trial guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment to be incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment and made enforceable agains the States EXCEPT when the State seeks to deprive an individual of a jury trial on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery.
And yet you betray your professed beliefs by claiming the State of Florida deprived Terri Schiavo of her right to jury trial and you cite TAYLOR v. LOUISIANA, 419 U.S. 522 (1975) as authority.
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/419/522.html
Well . . . just a minute. The defendant in Taylor v. Louisiana is complaining because the State disproportionately excluded women from jury service.
The Supreme Court wrote:The Louisiana jury-selection system does not disqualify women from jury service, but in operation its conceded systematic impact is that only a very few women, grossly disproportionate to the number of eligible women in the community, are called for jury service. In this case, no women were on the venire from which the petit jury was drawn. The issue we have, therefore, is whether a jury-selection system which operates to exclude from jury service an identifiable class of citizens constituting 53% [419 U.S. 522, 526] of eligible jurors in the community comports with the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments.
The State first insists that Taylor, a male, has no standing to object to the exclusion of women from his jury. But Taylor's claim is that he was constitutionally entitled to a jury drawn from a venire constituting a fair cross section of the community and that the jury that tried him was not such a jury by reason of the exclusion of women. Taylor was not a member of the excluded class; but there is no rule that claims such as Taylor presents may be made only by those defendants who are members of the group excluded from jury service. In Peters v. Kiff, 407 U.S. 493 (1972), the defendant, a white man, challenged his conviction on the ground that Negroes had been systematically excluded from jury service. Six Members of the Court agreed that petitioner was entitled to present the issue and concluded that he had been deprived of his federal rights. Taylor, in the case before us, was similarly entitled to tender and have adjudicated the claim that the exclusion of women from jury service deprived him of the kind of factfinder to which he was constitutionally entitled.
Just a minute . . . why are you relying on this gender-based case to support Terri Schiavo's Fourteenth Amendment right to jury by trial? You are on record as stating the following:
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids the STATE from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. (Despite JWK's professed beliefs, the Fourteenth Amendment is not limited in its application to STATE regulation on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery.)
Seems to me there is a mountain of evidence available to establish the intent of those who framed and ratified the 14th Amendment was to prohibit legislation based upon race, color or former condition of slavery and secure to blacks the same civil rights [not political rights] as enjoyed by whites. It was intended to carry into effect the first Civil Rights Act and give it the force of constitutional authority.
If you have documentation to the contrary, please feel free to post it. But, a research of the House and Senate debates which framed both the 1st Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment, which was intended to incorporate the objectives of the Civil Rights Act into the Constitution --- thereby making the first Civil Rights Act constitutional --- does not support the claim that those who framed and ratified it intended it to apply in a very broad manner so as to prohibit state legislation making distinctions beyond race color or previous condition of slavery!
As a matter of fact, there is an abundance of documented evidence the amendment was specifically intended to apply in a very narrow area…to prohibit state authorized discrimination, unequal law, based upon “race, color, or previous condition of slavery…”
As Rep. Shallabarger, a primary supporter of the Fourteenth Amendment stated when it was being debated:
“Its whole effect is not to confer or regulate rights, but to require that whatever of these enumerated rights and obligations are imposed by State laws shall be for and upon all citizens alike without distinctions based on race or former condition of slavery..It permits the States to say that the wife may not testify, sue or contract. It makes no law as to this. Its whole effect is to require that whatever rights as to each of the enumerated civil (not political) matters the States may confer upon one race or color of the citizens shall be held by all races in equality…It does not prohibit you from discriminating between citizens of the same race, or of different races, as to what their rights to testify, to inherit &c. shall be. But if you do discriminate, it must not be on account of race, color or former conditions of slavery. That is all. If you permit a white man who is an infidel to testify, so you must a colored infidel. Self-evidently this is the whole effect of this first section. It secures-not to all citizens, but to all races as races who are citizens- equality of protection in those enumerated civil rights which the States may deem proper to confer upon any race.” Rep. Shallabarger, Congressional Globe, 1866, page 1293
The argument that the wording in the 14th Amendment: (a)“all persons”, (b)"No State shall make any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of United States.", (c) "[N]or deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws", as being evidence the 14th Amendment was intended to be a universal rule to bar every imaginable type of discrimination, including discrimination based upon sex, physical disabilities, or the current shopping list which is today claimed, falls flat on its face when reading the words of next Amendment to the Constitution! This Amendment (the 15th) prohibits a new type of discrimination which is prima facie evidence the Fourteenth Amendment is not a universal rule to bar every imaginable type of discrimination. The Fifteenth Amendment prohibits discrimination at the voting booth on account of “race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” The intent of the 15th Amendment was unmistakably adopted to enlarge the prohibition on state sponsored discrimination mentioned in the 14th, and extend it to include a new subject matter, but only to the extent that the prohibited discrimination is based upon “race, color or previous condition of servitude”…the People not yet willing to provide the same federally enforceable guarantee to the female gender!
The assertion that the 14th Amendment prohibits a wide variety of discrimination such as discrimination based upon sex, [see Justice Ginsburg’s opinion in the VMI Case], is totally refuted when reading the 19th Amendment which was adopted by the people to specifically forbid yet a new kind of discrimination, discrimination at the voting both based upon sex. Why adopt the 19th Amendment forbidding the right to vote to be “denied or abridged” on account of “SEX.” if the Fourteenth Amendment already prohibited sex discrimination as claimed by Justice Ginsburg?
And finally, why would there have been a proposed so-call “equal rights amendment” offered in the 1980’s for adoption to the Constitution of the United States authorizing Congress to prohibit sex discrimination by appropriate legislation [which was voted down by the People] if the 14th amendment already granted such power to Congress, or such a prohibition already existed in the federal constitution?
The truth is, members of our Supreme Court are subjugating our constitutional system and supplanting their personal whims and fancies as being within the legislative intent of our Constitution as contemplated by those who framed it and the people who adopted it--- such action being a blatant rebellion against our Constitution system and meeting the definition of tyranny!
OKAY . . . well . . . according to YOUR professed beliefs . . . the Supreme Court betrayed the framers' and ratifiers' intent with respect to the Fourteenth Amendment and subjugated our constitutional system by applying the Sixth Amendment right to jury trial via the Fourteenth Amendment to state action when the state merely kept women off the jury system and did not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or former condition of slavery.
But, you use a case that belies your professed beliefs to substantiate your criticism of another case that also belies your professed beliefs. This is an instance of FALSENESS on top of an instance of FALSNESS on top of an Instance of FALSENESS.
The layers to your hypocrisy are multi-faceted and mind-boggling.
Debra_Law wrote:
Here are your professed beliefs:
PROFESSED BELIEF No. 5: FEDERALISM. Unless given explicit authority under the Constitution through one of its delegated, enumerated powers, the federal government is required to keep its nose out of STATE business. In other words, you are a proponent of STATES' RIGHTS.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:STATES' RIGHTS? You confuse my being a proponent of the People’s Rights as they have established them by our constitutions, state and federal.
I am so confused, JWK.
How can you proclaim to be a proponent of individual or people rights "as they have established them by our constitutions, state and federal" when you deny that the people have any rights protected by the federal constitution enforceable against the states via the Fourteenth Amendment in cases unrelated to race, color, or former condition of slavery?
Your rigid, unbending stance on the Fourteenth Amendment belies your current criticism of the federal court system.
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Debra_Law wrote:
NOW. Given your professed beliefs, the Supreme Court did not have authority to apply the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment to STATE ACTION in the Kelo case via the Fourteenth Amendment.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:I would agree with that.
Debra_Law wrote:
ALSO. Given your professed beliefs, the issue of "public use" with respect to STATE ACTION is a STATES' RIGHTS issue.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:No! It’s a state constitutional issue.
The Connecticut Supreme Court ruled that taking at issue did not violate the state constitution. The United States Supreme Court does not have authority to reverse the Connecticut Supreme Court's interpretation of its own state constitution.
You are critcizing the U.S. Supreme Court for failing to do what it has no right to do under our system of federalism. And, you purport to be an advocate of federalism.
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Debra_Law wrote:
ALSO. Given your professed beliefs, the people in the State of Connecticut cannot rely on the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment to provide federal constitutional protection against STATE takings cases; they cannot rely on the federal government via the U.S. Supreme Court to grant them protection they are not entitled to have in our system of federalism, and the people of the State of Connecticut must look to their own democratic political processes of their own state to limit their own state's power of eminent domain.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:Exactly so!
Okay . . . then where's your beef with the United States Supreme Court?
Debra_Law wrote:
ALSO. Given your professed beliefs, you should be thrilled that the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of the STATE because, AGAIN, according to your professed beliefs, the federal courts did not have jurisdiction to hear this particular grievance and the people's remedy, if any, lies with their own state government.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:No Debra. I am not thrilled “…that the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of the STATE “. The truth is, the Court ruled in favor of state public servants, agreeing they have authority to take the property of one and sell it to another for a profit making venture, and it did so without jurisdiction in the matter. The Court unduly and without constitutional authority, lent its position of authority in the case and sided with one of the litigants in the case.
Your arguments are mind-boggling. If the Fifth Amendment via the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to state action as you profess, then the U.S. Supreme Court had no authority to overturn a ruling of a state's highest court and grant relief to the individuals involved.
It appears your true beef is with the Connecticut Supreme Court that ruled that the state public servants acted in accordance with STATE law and did not violate the STATE constitution.
The remedy of the people, therefore, lies within the political processes of their own state. The litigants in the Kelo case are no worse off by the Supreme Court decision, because (according to you) they had no right protected by the federal constitution in the first place, and all of their state remedies still exist.
Debra_Law wrote:
HOWEVER, DESPITE YOUR PROFESSED BELIEFS, you criticize the Supreme Court for its failure (in you eyes) to properly apply the FEDERAL "public use" doctrine to protect people against the harmful actions of their STATE government.
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:No Debra. You are making things up again.
I did not “criticize the Supreme Court for its failure . . . to properly apply the FEDERAL "public use" doctrine to protect people against the harmful actions of their STATE government.” I criticized the Court for interfering in a case in which there was no federal question and using it position of authority to improperly side with one of the litigants in the case.
Where do you state your "no federal question" criticism in any of your previous posts? Are we supposed to be mind-readers? In your previous posts criticizing the Supreme Court, you merely recite the dissent opinions with respect to the Supreme Court's application of the Fifth Amendments' "public use" clause.
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JWK wrote:If you think certain members of the SCOTUS are not Americas most formidable domestic enemies and assisting in the subjugation of our laws, and that a number of its members are not using their office of public trust to advance the fortunes of the rich and powerful, I suggest you study the dissenting opinion: KELO et al. v. CITY OF NEW LONDON et al.
Justice O'Connor sums up the tyranny of the majority in the following words:
Today the Court abandons this long-held, basic limitation on government power. Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded--i.e., given to an owner who will use it in a way that the legislature deems more beneficial to the public--in the process. To reason, as the Court does, that the incidental public benefits resulting from the subsequent ordinary use of private property render economic development takings "for public use" is to wash out any distinction between private and public use of property--and thereby effectively to delete the words "for public use" from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Accordingly I respectfully dissent.
Also see the dissenting opinion of Justice Thomas:
Long ago, William Blackstone wrote that "the law of the land ... postpone[s] even public necessity to the sacred and inviolable rights of private property." 1 Commentaries on the Laws of England 134-135 (1765) (hereinafter Blackstone). The Framers embodied that principle in the Constitution, allowing the government to take property not for "public necessity," but instead for "public use." Amdt. 5. Defying this understanding, the Court replaces the Public Use Clause with a " '[P]ublic [P]urpose' " Clause, ante, at 9-10 (or perhaps the "Diverse and Always Evolving Needs of Society" Clause, ante, at 8 (capitalization added)), a restriction that is satisfied, the Court instructs, so long as the purpose is "legitimate" and the means "not irrational," ante, at 17 (internal quotation marks omitted). This deferential shift in phraseology enables the Court to hold, against all common sense, that a costly urban-renewal project whose stated purpose is a vague promise of new jobs and increased tax revenue, but which is also suspiciously agreeable to the Pfizer Corporation, is for a "public use."
I cannot agree. If such "economic development" takings are for a "public use," any taking is, and the Court has erased the Public Use Clause from our Constitution, as Justice O'Connor powerfully argues in dissent. Ante, at 1-2, 8-13. I do not believe that this Court can eliminate liberties expressly enumerated in the Constitution and therefore join her dissenting opinion. Regrettably, however, the Court's error runs deeper than this. Today's decision is simply the latest in a string of our cases construing the Public Use Clause to be a virtual nullity, without the slightest nod to its original meaning. In my view, the Public Use Clause, originally understood, is a meaningful limit on the government's eminent domain power. Our cases have strayed from the Clause's original meaning, and I would reconsider them.
JWK
ACRS
The servant has become the master over those who created a servant.
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America's public enemy No. One: The SCOTUS!
JWK, FOUNDER, ACRS wrote:If you think the SCOTUS is not Americas most formidable domestic enemy, and that a number of its members are not using their office of public trust to advance the fortunes of the rich and powerful, I suggest you study the following opinion: KELO et al. v. CITY OF NEW LONDON et al.
Justice O'Connor sums up the tyranny of the majority in the following words:
Today the Court abandons this long-held, basic limitation on government power. Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded--i.e., given to an owner who will use it in a way that the legislature deems more beneficial to the public--in the process. To reason, as the Court does, that the incidental public benefits resulting from the subsequent ordinary use of private property render economic development takings "for public use" is to wash out any distinction between private and public use of property--and thereby effectively to delete the words "for public use" from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Accordingly I respectfully dissent.
Also see the dissenting opinion of Justice Thomas:
Long ago, William Blackstone wrote that "the law of the land ... postpone[s] even public necessity to the sacred and inviolable rights of private property." 1 Commentaries on the Laws of England 134-135 (1765) (hereinafter Blackstone). The Framers embodied that principle in the Constitution, allowing the government to take property not for "public necessity," but instead for "public use." Amdt. 5. Defying this understanding, the Court replaces the Public Use Clause with a " '[P]ublic [P]urpose' " Clause, ante, at 9-10 (or perhaps the "Diverse and Always Evolving Needs of Society" Clause, ante, at 8 (capitalization added)), a restriction that is satisfied, the Court instructs, so long as the purpose is "legitimate" and the means "not irrational," ante, at 17 (internal quotation marks omitted). This deferential shift in phraseology enables the Court to hold, against all common sense, that a costly urban-renewal project whose stated purpose is a vague promise of new jobs and increased tax revenue, but which is also suspiciously agreeable to the Pfizer Corporation, is for a "public use."
I cannot agree. If such "economic development" takings are for a "public use," any taking is, and the Court has erased the Public Use Clause from our Constitution, as Justice O'Connor powerfully argues in dissent. Ante, at 1-2, 8-13. I do not believe that this Court can eliminate liberties expressly enumerated in the Constitution and therefore join her dissenting opinion. Regrettably, however, the Court's error runs deeper than this. Today's decision is simply the latest in a string of our cases construing the Public Use Clause to be a virtual nullity, without the slightest nod to its original meaning. In my view, the Public Use Clause, originally understood, is a meaningful limit on the government's eminent domain power. Our cases have strayed from the Clause's original meaning, and I would reconsider them.
JWK
ACRS
The servant has become the master over those who created a servant.
Where, in your previous posts and quotations of the dissenting opinions, do you set forth your criticism of "no federal question?"
Debra_Law wrote:
CONCLUSION: Your current criticism of the United States Supreme Court demonstrates an instance of FALSENESS in the application of your professed beliefs . . . hence: HYPOCRISY. (See definition of HYPOCRISY posted above.)
Quote:You still have offered nothing to substantiate your charge of hypocrisy leveled at me, nor presented any statement made by me showing that I have been inconsistent in my position concerning the 14th Amendment. In essences, you have level an unsubstantiated personal attack upon my character which violates
the rules of this forum.
Please post a link to your post in which you set forth my “inconsistent construction and application of the Fourteenth Amendment. “
And just what is my current criticism in the case being discussed in this thread? Please post my words and explain how it is hypocritical and inconsistent with what I have posted in the past as you have charged.
I’m waiting, Debra, for you to support your charges which have called my character into question.
JWK
I have substantiated your inconsistencies over and over and over and over and over again. Uff-dah.
Case closed.