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What is the worthiest single trait human beings possess?

 
 
aidan
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:46 am
I agree, and who defines what is truly witty and humorous? What may be funny to one person may seem silly, immature, and tiresome to another.

I do have to say though - I'd rather spend time with someone who is truly funny (and there are quite a few on this forum) than almost any other type of person. Sometimes I think this speaks to my own immaturity-but I try not to analyze too much - it just feels good to laugh I think. That's why we admire wit and a sense of humor so much.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:48 am
It's cause "laughter is the best medicine."
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aidan
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:50 am
Most definitely, CI
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:51 am
CalamityJane wrote:
To a certain extend I agree, people without wit and humor
are definitely handicapped.



But nobody got my joke... Wit comes first... which comes first... sheesh.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 10:04 am
Sorry piffka, a bit dense this morning Embarrassed
It is a nice play with words Wink

aiden, I agree with you. I'd rather spend times with someone who makes me laugh than bores me to tears
pontificating about the scientific approach to ant colonies.

Sure humor is subjective, but I am very selfish in this
regard, whoever makes me laugh, is witty and has humor Wink
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 10:06 am
Gee!!I'm sluggish today.Wit comes first.Gee!!

Piffka must be Irish.If ever you meet a real witch you'll buck your ideas up them mi lad.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 10:34 am
I got it, Piffka, and it was a much of a which of a wit.

What is imagination but knowing that the entire universe and anything you care to make of it exists inside your mind. Thus, imagination is not a trait but a fact, a facility, although an abstract one.

So what does it take to make that mental universe of imagination hook up with the world outside of you? It takes love, or charity, or selflessness, or whatever you call the out-urge that overcomes your own craven, greedy, survivalist self.

I am told that the bible speaks of the great virtues: faith, hope, and charity, the last being the greatest of the three. So faith (believing in something for which there is no concrete evidence) and hope (some would define hope as denial) are lesser virtues, according to the ancient writers, than is love. Surely they thought of love as denial of the self and its baser desires.

I wonder how the clawing fight for survival fits in here. What happens to that most desperate instinct when someone is driven to save another person at possible cost of his own life? Perhaps there is a greater evolved instinct to save the neighbor or tribe-member, with survival of the group a greater need than survival of any one individual.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 10:51 am
Kara, That's where the study of many cultures helps us to understand that survival doesn't necessarily mean greed. Some of the poorest people are the most generous.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 11:10 am
C.J.

I could pontificate scientifically about an ant colony and I don't think it would bore you and certainly not to tears.I would take David Attenborough's approach and it would be a breeze.

Witty people don't wear their love and compassion fastened to the front of their shirts.With witty people you may surely take love and compassion for granted.These categories overlap but the one thing I have noticed is that the truly witty,not satirical or sarcastic,instrumentalists,have all the other things mentioned on here and not in feigned form either.You can't feign wit.

It's No1 for me.Right round the time zones.
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Taliesin181
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 12:15 pm
Val: Blood? What?! You've piqued my interest. Explain, please.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 01:58 pm
Without our imagination we are not human.

Everything that people have used, created, read, written, spoke, developed, invented, made, cooked, or done, they've had to imagine it first. Even love. Even timezones. Very Happy

It is a trait of humankind like our hair color or ability to metabolize fat and I think our imagination, our ability to wonder and create, is the most worthy single thing we can possess. All but the very most uneducatable have imagination. We relish our imaginations. We honor the imaginations of others and give those with the best imaginations fabulous wealth or we may remember them long past their deaths. It is because of our imaginations that we can love so well.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 02:20 pm
Well there you go then.But you don't half beg a lot of questions.I wouldn't know which one I would start with first,which is fortunate seeing as how I have to go to the pub shortly.

For quicky-what is this imagination whatsit.Who is to say that the "un-educable"--I can't even spell that--haven't got one.Who is to say you have.Or me.But we know what wit is.And we like it.In the marrow.Poe had a nice imagination and we don't laugh at that.Not until we realise he was taking the piss.Bloody hell-I just thought-Hitler!He had a fantastic imagination.Wit there was none.What a different world we would live in if Hitler had been witty.Hard to imagine eh?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:08 pm
Here's an interesting article on a somewhat related subject of "compassion."


Published online: 8 June 2005; | doi:10.1038/news050606-8

Meditating monks focus the mind
Michael Hopkin

Buddhists show clarity of attention in optical illusion tasks.

A monk dons goggles for an optical illusion test. Click here to take a test yourself.
© Olivia Carter


Meditation can focus the mind in a measurable way, according to a study of Buddhist monks. In a visual test designed to confuse the brain, the monks were able to stave off confusion more easily than those not trained in the contemplative arts.

Researchers studied 76 Tibetan Buddhist monks taking a test of 'perceptual rivalry', in which two conflicting images are presented, one to each eye. This usually causes the brain to switch back and forth between the images every few seconds as it struggles to make sense of what it is seeing.

Monks skilled in the art of 'one-point' meditation - which involves focusing all of one's attention on a single object or thought - were able to slow this switching down or even stop it completely, report Olivia Carter of the University of Queensland in St Lucia, Australia, and colleagues.

In their study, published online by Current Biology 1, they asked monks with training ranging from to 5 to 54 years to practise different forms of meditation and then don a set of goggles which displayed two different images: horizontal bars to one eye, and vertical bars to the other.

The most experienced one-point meditators, who had spent more than 20 years in isolated retreats, were able to resist visual switching for the whole five minutes of the experiment. According to the monks' self-reported assessment, they saw only a single stable image with one set of bars dominant.


This is something that the average person cannot do.
Olivia Carter
University of Queensland

There was no noticeable improvement for monks who were practising 'compassion' meditation, which involves contemplating the suffering of others.

The monks were also given another test, of 'motion-induced blindness' (an example can be found at http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/bonneh.html ), which involves staring at a stationary dot in the midst of a pattern of swirling dots, until the other stationary dots in the picture seem to disappear. Monks maintained this 'blindness' state for an average of 4.1 seconds, compared to just 2.6 seconds for ordinary people. The most experienced meditator managed to uphold the optical illusion for more than 12 minutes.

Streams of thought

The discovery supports that idea that meditation calms the mind and allows it to focus more clearly, says Carter. "Monks appear to be able to control the rate and content of thoughts flowing through their 'stream of consciousness'," she says.

Meditation could conceivably help people with depression, or who have recently suffered a trauma, to stop their minds constantly dwelling on negative thoughts, she suggests.

"It has long been claimed by practitioners of meditation that when faced with bad news or tragic events they are able to acknowledge the tragedy, but rather than dwell on the situation they have the capacity to redirect their thoughts to other, more positive directions," Carter says. "This is something that the average person cannot do."

But John Gruzelier, a neuroscientist at Imperial College London, warns that too much introspection and contemplation might be dangerous for someone struggling with depression.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:18 pm
I thought about what incites me to get up off my ass and do things:

Love - no, I love my family and friends but that is not a driving factor for the things I do

Wit - I enjoy being happy and being around others who lighten and raise my spirits but no, this isn't an incentive for me to go out and do something

Communication / Language - These things are very valuable tools and give me much needed information but they don't entice me if I'm not in the mood

Imagination / Creativity - definitely makes us different to other creatures (since humans appear to act and create using their imaginations)

Compassion / Tact / Empathy / Perception - makes us livable with, without which we would be absolutely unbearable to each other

Self-sacrifice - good thing we don't all have this or we'd never get anything done "no, after you, I insist …. Oh no, after you …"

Common Sense - I'm a huge fan of this, more so than being book-smart but it's not inciting me to do anything except think realistically about the things that I do do.

Will to Survive - I think all creatures have this. Humans are not different in this aspect from other creatures.

My picks for the worthiest single human trait are:

Curiosity, without which man would not have ventured far from the cave and it is a very important trait that drives us still - we WANT to know if we can cure cancer, develop stem cell research, find out what is the biggest passenger plane that will fly, find out what it feels like to jump from an airplane (with parachute), have sex in public, get up on stage and try to make people laugh, enter a competition to see if I am the best at something, and so on ……

Now being curious will get me up off my butt to try something, taste something, experience something, in the hopes of enjoying myself and adding value (a job enabling me to have money to spend on other treats I enjoy).

And another valuable human trait would be Organization / Co-operation - animals can have this too, but humans have gone way beyond the capabilities of animals in order to use all of our other assets - love, communication, will to survive, curiosity, wit, imagination, language, communication, etc., etc., - and really make advances. Look how we humans have organized ourselves into cultures, races, religions and we interact (working together and alternately fighting against each other), constantly pushing ourselves on and on. If animals had this same organization why haven't they visibly produced anything that makes their lot in life better? Humans are the dominant creatures that drastically and continually change the environment around us. We have far more experiences and benefits from the organization and cooperation of many many humans.

Curiosity leads to creating. But since not all of us are creators, Organization leads to us all having the creation.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:31 pm
Good points, Heeven. I particularly like the trait of cooperation.

CI -- I don't get the compassion meditation... meditating on the suffering of others??

Enjoy yourself at the pub, Spendius. I guess you got me... uneducatable isn't a word... but because of your imagination you knew what I meant. Very Happy
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Taliesin181
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:35 pm
Completely off-topic:
Piffka: What is your Avatar? It looks like a Cherokee Meditation stone of some sort, but I really don't know, and it's been bugging me. Thanks.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:37 pm
The way I interpret that article, if we have compassion, we are unable to focus our minds, and therefore the consequence of confusion. The question becomes, are we required to forego compassion to be able to focus our minds for a 'higher cause?'
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:40 pm
That would explain my utter confusion at times Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 04:03 pm
I'm always confused, but I'm sure it's just me.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 04:07 pm
Taliesin181 wrote:
Completely off-topic:
Piffka: What is your Avatar? It looks like a Cherokee Meditation stone of some sort, but I really don't know, and it's been bugging me. Thanks.


Well that sounds cool but I can't tell you if it is Cherokee or not. It did come from the First People. I found it on the Turtle Island Crossroads -- a button to get to another link. An unlikely thing I thought, since most native Americans don't care much for owls.

I change my avatar all the time so don't be surprised if it is different soon.


Note to CI -- I thought the monks were supposed to be contemplating with compassion. Maybe Asherman or JLNobody would be able to explain it.

I love Heeven's list of good traits. Why should we just pick one thing? We are each multi-faceted as a gemstone.
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