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What is the worthiest single trait human beings possess?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 10:38 am
It's better than not being.Boring old straights are the pits.
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Taliesin181
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 03:27 pm
Eorl said:
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Language seems to be the thing that has allowed our ability to communicate and co-operate to the amazing degree that we have so far. No one person can even build a 747, let alone evacuate an island about to be hit by a Category 5 storm.

Language is the one thing that has allowed us to escape the cave.


Good point, but I'd label that under "skill", not "quality". That being said, there were some indications that you were, on a deeper level, talking about communication(different from language), which I would put under empathy/compassion, since they're all about receiving another's thoughts and feelings. If that's what you meant, then...nice post. Laughing
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 07:30 pm
many have mentioned compassion as the highest virtue, but i think empathy precedes compassion as the latter is the affection of the former.

btw: i was attempting to discuss such in my ghost town of a thread

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51747&highlight=
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extra medium
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 08:51 pm
spendius wrote:
CJ:-

I wasn't referring to the higher type of Lady actually and I was only trying to comfort EM.

Or get him started on the right track.
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???

Comfort me? um, thanks?

Let's not be coy: What is this "right track" pray tell?

Implying I'm on the wrong track? This demands an explanation...
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 09:27 pm
No extra, spendi was just trying to talk his way out of
the sexist remark he made Wink

kuvasz wrote:
any have mentioned compassion as the highest virtue, but i think empathy precedes compassion as the latter is the affection of the former.


Interesting! I would have thought compassion precedes
empathy.Don't you think I can empathize with someone
who has had experienced personal setbacks without feeling
compassion? Yet my compassion for that person automatically precedes emphaty, otherwise I couldn't feel compassionate about it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 09:40 pm
Love precedes all!
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extra medium
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 10:51 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Love precedes all!


Thats really good.

I'm wondering if the "Will to survive in the face of adversity/perseverance" even precedes Love.

I know, it seems blasphemous or something at first glance.

But if humans didn't have the will to struggle to live in the face of adversity, they'd all be dead, and unable to Love.

Does that Will precede Love & Compassion?

If we're all dead and compassionate, would that work?
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 11:27 pm
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the instinctive urge to prevail the most important single human trait
From "The Twelve Caesars," by Gore Vidal
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extra medium
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 11:29 pm
husker wrote:
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the instinctive urge to prevail the most important single human trait
From "The Twelve Caesars," Partisan Review, Summer 1965


Yep, H. Thats along the lines I was thinking too. Without that, love & compassion don't stand a chance to come into existence...

Interesting.

Or on another more shallow level: "Love is great, but it doesn't pay the rent."

Has anyone ever had a great close love affair, but of all things economic realities broke it up? Money broke up love? Weird. How long can a homeless couple stay happily in love together? harsh but maybe true...
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 11:31 pm
A worthy aspiration for most humans: To be like your own dog
Eileen Mitchell

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The newspaper clipping sitting on my desk was titled, "Study: People pick purebred dogs that resemble them." I was sitting across from Paul, discussing a presentation, when I saw his eyes glance at the article. Then he looked behind my shoulder over at my computer, which had kicked into screensaver mode and features a photo of my greyhound, Elvis. Then he looked at me. Then back at Elvis. Then at me again.

"Yeah," he nodded nonchalantly, "You do look like your dog ... ."

Not a female jury in the world would convict me. I was about to ask through clenched teeth if it was the long nose or floppy ears he thought bore the most resemblance when he added, " ... you're both tall and skinny."

Had he said "skinny"? Well, alrighty then.

But actually, resembling my dog wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. With his long, delicate limbs, soft, golden hair and chocolate syrup eyes, Elvis exudes a gentle Audrey Hepburn sweetness not always applicable to my own sometimes questionable demeanor.

The article Paul had spied on my desk said, "When people pick a dog, they look for one that, at some level, bears some resemblance to them." While the study referenced physical traits, wouldn't it be an improvement if we resembled the personality traits of our dogs?

I wish I could love like a dog, unconditionally and with total purity. Elvis won't notice if I'm wearing brand new Manolo Blahniks or 10-year-old Birkenstocks. He doesn't give a hoot about how much money I make, whether I'm Christian or Jewish, black or white, pro-life or pro-choice, Democrat or Republican. Do I drive a Beamer or a Bug, live in a condo or McMansion? Am I partial to Richebourg Red Burgundy from France or Two-Buck Chuck from Trader Joe's? Maybe I battle chunky monkey thighs or am blessed with a bod like Beyonce. Doesn't matter. Not important. Elvis is wholly and utterly devoted to me for one reason and one reason only: because I'm me. OK, that and I can work a can opener.

I'd love to wake up each morning absolutely thrilled for no reason other than it's yet another day. Sure, I'm in good health, have wonderful family and friends, a roof over my head and food in my cupboards. Yet still, I complain. Where's my whirlwind romance, best-selling novel or Caribbean cruise? Why can't I make more money, lose more weight, have more fun? And is it Friday yet?

Ah, but to a dog each and every boring, monotonous, repetitive day is an absolute adventure. Just the mere appearance of their guardian is enough to elicit an unbridled joy that's the human equivalent of winning the lottery. And what about a ride in the car? A walk in the park? A scratch behind the ears? Suggest any of these simple, mundane activities and I usually have to steer clear of Elvis' tail, wagging so ferociously it practically slaps each side of his ribcage. Happy tail, one friend calls it. Indeed, the spring issue of Berkeley's Bark magazine features two pages of smiling dogs (which can also be viewed at www.thebark.com). Silly, happy, goofy grins that capture that blissful, joyful essence of all that is dog. If only we could all be content with so little.

I'd love to work and play like a dog, with total dedication, purpose and concentration. Like the service dog that carefully guides his guardian across a busy street or through a bustling crowd. Observe how seriously a border collie will try to herd playing dogs in a dog park. Watch how focused a golden retriever remains on that airborne Frisbee. See how vigorously a Labrador swims through water. Nothing lackadaisical or halfhearted here. Dogs aren't mulling over their walk tomorrow, their meal tonight or their nap in 10 minutes. Dogs live in the moment. Enthusiastically, they embrace each second of the here and now, be it a day in the field guiding cattle, a Sunday in the yard chasing squirrels or simply a restful afternoon snoozing in a pool of sunshine. Suddenly, dog-tired sounds more like an aspiration than a complaint.

When mistreated, dogs forgive. When ignored, they still love. When abandoned, they remain loyal. When neglected, they don't judge. They want for one thing only. To hear their human's voice, feel their human's touch, revel in the nearness of the person they love so unconditionally. Without prejudice, bias or discrimination, our canine companions epitomize the best of human nature. Or what human nature should be.

All of which leads me to believe there's a reason why it's often pointed out that dog is "God" spelled backward. Because both deity and dog have traits we human beings should all aspire to resemble.

And we don't need a study to tell us that.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 11:37 pm
Taliesin181 wrote:
Eorl said:
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Language seems to be the thing that has allowed our ability to communicate and co-operate to the amazing degree that we have so far. No one person can even build a 747, let alone evacuate an island about to be hit by a Category 5 storm.

Language is the one thing that has allowed us to escape the cave.


Good point, but I'd label that under "skill", not "quality". That being said, there were some indications that you were, on a deeper level, talking about communication(different from language), which I would put under empathy/compassion, since they're all about receiving another's thoughts and feelings. If that's what you meant, then...nice post. Laughing


Well no, not really.

The title is about "the trait that human beings possess" and I took that to mean "as opposed to other animals". I see that our ability to use language allows us to generate AND communicate ideas far more complex, brilliant and beautiful than any other animals who co-operate.

Most of the posts seem to be talking about traits that each individual human being may display as opposed to a trait of the species entire...in which case I say empathy and creativity equally worthy.
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val
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 03:49 am
Re: What is the worthiest single trait human beings possess?
Taliesin

Blood.
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aidan
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 04:33 am
kuvasz wrote:
many have mentioned compassion as the highest virtue, but i think empathy precedes compassion as the latter is the affection of the former.

btw: i was attempting to discuss such in my ghost town of a thread

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51747&highlight=


And those who are unable to perceive - or lack perception- will not intuitively empathize and so will not recognize the opportunity to offer compassion.

Most of us can collect information from stimulus around us - but how we comprehend that information and what we choose to do with it- is of the utmost importance. If you don't possess the ability to perceive accurately and wisely - it's all just data in a computer.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 05:37 am
extra motion wrote-

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I'm wondering if the "Will to survive in the face of adversity/perseverance" even precedes Love.


EM:-

That is the main horrible truth of 1984.I always advise ladies and other sensitive souls to avoid the book.Of course,one can read it without understanding it but that isn't reading it.The martyrs,assuming the tales are true,disprove the point but there's not many of them about.But that is a bit far out.What isn't far out is the undermining of language which Orwell had expertise in.

I haven't forgotten your interesting question about my heart and my audience.It goes to the root of art itself.I could do a 20,000 word answer if I had the time but a short one isn't so easy.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 08:05 am
I am adjusting my answer from creativity to imagination. Without imagination, how can you love? Without imagination, how can you have compassion? It is the basis of empathy and the spark for creation.

I think the worthiest human trait is imagination.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 08:48 am
And imagination is nurtured and stimulated by wit.Imagination is not stationary.

I still go for wit.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 08:59 am
Wit comes first??
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:30 am
Does for me Piffka.Witless people are zombies.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:34 am
To a certain extend I agree, people without wit and humor
are definitely handicapped.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2005 09:36 am
I know some people who doesn't have any wit, but great compassion. Wink
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