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WHAT SHALL WE DO WITH A DRUNKEN SAILOR?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 08:58 am
Walter, i am surprised, shocked i may say, that you don't recognize that harbor in the bottom picture up above.

(Pssst, right-click the image to see the name . . . )
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 09:12 am
I've talked to an old chap, who's very fond of maritime stuff, the other day about this thread.

And today, I got this bouteille à la mer:

http://img118.echo.cx/img118/9631/setcopy3gs.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 09:28 am
Nearly missed the post scriptum (obviously, because it's only 3rd class and 'royal', not by Bill as emperor):

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/9271/setcopy28si.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 09:32 am
Setanta wrote:
Walter, i am surprised, shocked i may say, that you don't recognize that harbor in the bottom picture up above.

(Pssst, right-click the image to see the name . . . )


I did notice it - will talk with Bill again. Perhaps you'll get another order (which will be quite difficult, since it seems impossible to get that paper scanned Laughing ).
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 09:48 am
Thanks for the ships, Setanta. They are magnificent! It's a really fascinating thread you've started.

I was so inspired by yesterdays ships posted that I volunteered for the Tall Ships Festival. They're planning on 24 sailing boats, mostly sloops, and 5 motorized historical craft; described here.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 01:26 pm
(private note for setanta only :
your pix of the brigantine looks like it might be the "st. lawrence II" cruising in front of fort henry. the ship is used as a training vessel by the kingston sea-cadets. it's already out on the st. lawrence for the summer and is a nice sight to see). hbg

GREAT STORIES, SETANTA !
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 02:02 pm
The last ship pictured has a connection to the hamburger's honeymoon voyage.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 05:53 pm
http://home-2.consunet.nl/~cb000177/FjellOranje%20binnen.jpg

contrary to ehbeth's statement, we did not arrive by sailship in canada.
the above is a brochure from the dutch fjell-orange line . we sailed on the "prins willem" - orange line - from rotterdam by way of le havre to montreal at the end of july 1956 (49 years ago).
it was NOT a pirate ship !

walter : i found this copy of an old brochure via the website you sent me recently. thanks !
we did not keep any of the brochures at that time, but still have our "green" immigration cards and also our old german passports - they came in handy when we applied for our german pension. hbg
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 05:59 pm
http://img201.echo.cx/img201/2369/honeymoondeck19564jd.jpg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 06:22 pm
we were ready to man/woman the lifeboat anytime !

whenever we go on a cruise, mrs h has only one request : a cabin on the boatdeck is a must ! hbg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 10:12 pm
hamburger wrote:
(private note for setanta only :
your pix of the brigantine looks like it might be the "st. lawrence II" cruising in front of fort henry. the ship is used as a training vessel by the kingston sea-cadets. it's already out on the st. lawrence for the summer and is a nice sight to see). hbg

GREAT STORIES, SETANTA !


Elizabeth, Mr. Bailey, Miss Cleo and i went out to Fort Henry of a summer's afternoon a year or two ago (don't recall the context), with our digi-cams, and were looking at some of those little islots (a very small, densely wooded island), when St. Lawrence materialized out of the mist from behind one of the further ones. She made short reefed sail in a slow waltz among the islots before making for the Lake proper. It was quite a sight, especially as unexpected (although we'd seen the cadets on Princess Street earlier in the day). Elizabeth got some nice photos of her.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 10:17 pm
Hamburger:

This looks very much like the image we got (only from above) of St. Lawrence among the wooded isles below the counterscarp of Fort Henry.

http://www.tallshipcanada.homestead.com/files/St._Lawrence_II___2002.JPG

She certainly is a brigantine, and a handsome vessel she is.


Walter, those are very lovely certificates--with those, and a buck-and-a-half, i can get a bus ride across town . . .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2005 11:13 pm
Setanta wrote:

Walter, those are very lovely certificates--with those, and a buck-and-a-half, i can get a bus ride across town . . .


I really didn't know that the EURO has fallen down so much - they were actually thought to be my life insurence http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/geschockt/eek.gif



:wink:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 04:52 am
You ought to have been burying a chest full of golden pieces of eight, Walter, somewhere in the Dry Tortugas . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 05:46 am
Roc Brasiliano

http://www.kiss.qc.ca/Encyclopirate_WEB/Images/R_Brasil.jpg

Precious little is known of Roc, or Roche, Brasiliano. English language sources are almost non-existent. Those in Spanish are less than flattering, and are rather unreliable due to a prejudice not to be wondered at. The French sources are best, because he seems originally to have been a denizen of the most successful and long-running of piratical havens, the French Huguenot colony on the island of Tortuga, off the northwest coast of Hispaniola (Haïti).

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/cia04/haiti_sm04.gif

On the map above, please note the island of Tortuga
(île de la Tortue-island of the tortoise) just to the north of
Port de Paix--the two were the earliest French colonies
in the West Indies.


He was very well-known to the bucaneers of his day, and probably enjoyed a higher reputation then than that which has since remained to him. Upon a time, Roc, or Roche (likely from the French rocher, a rock) was one of the most feared men in Jamaica, walking the streets of Port Royale with a naked cutlass in his hand, dealing out blows for any slight, real or imagined.

Other than that he was Dutch, little is known of his origins or early life. One of the French sources states:

Dans ce même âge héroïque de la Tortue surgit un autre héros exemplaire, Roche Brasiliano, dit Le Roc. Identité exacte inconnue, mais à peu près certainement né à Groningue, Pays-Bas, de parents commerçants qui l'emmènent au Brésil où il vit jusqu'en 1654 . . .

In this same heroic age of Tortuga burst forth another exemplary hero, Roche Brasiliano, known as The Roc. His exact identity unknown, but very nearly certainly born at Groningen in the Low Countries, of a commercial trading family who took him to Brazil where he lived until 1654 . . .

His preferred modus operndi was to cruise the waters off Campeche on the Yucatan penninsula. In the lower gulf of Mexico, the cities of Vera Cruz on the western shore, Villa Hermosa on the souther shore and Campeche on the eastern shore formed a triangle within which moved some of the fattest pickings then available. This was far from the central scene of the action in the Greater Antilles and on the Spanish Main, and meant that the targets were numerous and rich, but the protection of the Costa Garda much more effective. His choice of an area in which to operate had two effects on the reputaton of Roc Brasiliano in his own day. The first was for his courage and resourcefulness, as few others would choose to operate in those waters, and fewer still to make it a regular haunt. The second was that he was fabulously successful and those who sailed with him were rewarded with wealth beyond that which they could expect in the service of any other corsair.

Roc secured the admiration and loyalty of the other pirates for two other good and sufficient reasons--he was truly a sailor, a fine navigator who could sail them through any tempest; he was a man of singular courage and quick discernment--boarding a potential prize, he unerringly moved from one opponent to the next, striking down the most courageous of the defenders, and quickly securing the surrender of the prize with the least casualties to his men.

http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/2c/300px-Bakhuizen,_Battle_of_Vigo_Bay.jpg

Each year, the Spanish treasure fleet would assemble in the Gulf and on the western shores of the Spanish Main, and then sail for Havana, from whence the assembled fleet, seeking protection in numbers, sailed for Europe. Roc would pick off lone galleons in the Gulf, and when the Gulf fleet was assembled, follow them to pick off the stragglers, ignoring the Costa Garda with an obvious contempt which must have infuriated them. A first class sailor, he would cut out his intended target, and wearing (as mentioned above, this means to turn the vessel quickly from one course to another, to throw off the enemy's aim--the nautical equivalent of bobbing and weaving), he would lay along side, board, remove the truly valuable items, and then put the crew in boats and burn the victim, a beacon to the Costa Garda to find his most recent prey and no sign of Roc.

The Roc was sufficiently well-known and respected that he was enlisted by Henry Morgan for his expedition against Puerto Bello and Panama. It is said by one of the French sources: . . . le Roc a l'air mâle et le corps robuste, le regard fier et toutefois riant. Aussi brave soldat que bon pilote, habile à toutes les armes, y compris celles des Indiens. (" . . . the Roc had a masculine air and a bobust body, and a proud and laughing expression, and [was] as brave a soldier and he was a good navigator, accustomed to all manner of arms, including those of the Indians.") Further, we are informed that he had "his true weakness and failings . . . which he always turned to his own advantage. Taken by the Spanish off Campeche, and speaking a fluent and faultless Spanish, he slipped his chains and mingled with the crew, finishing the voyage in Spain and being paid off with the others. He then returned to Tortuga, whence he began again his career . . . "

Roc Barsiliano disappeard from history, much as had Anne Bonny. One French source, but one only, says that he died penniless, of disease, a beggar in the streets of Port Royale. Most of the sources, however, recount contemporary speculation that his accumulated wealth allowed him to retire to a comfortable life, and one in which no man would challenge his peace and freedom.

http://www.adp.fsu.edu/images/rosario.jpg
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 08:04 am
A lot of awful mayhem & death, Set. Can't help but notice these pirates are picking off goods from the "pirates" who participated in the predations on Mexico & the Americas. Reminds me of the Pirate King's song, which I won't sing for you but will remind you of the last few words:

Away to the bleeding world go you
Where pirates all are well-to-do...


I'm continuing to love the ships, of course, thank you so much, and this image, too:

"when St. Lawrence materialized out of the mist."

Can there be anything much more breath-taking than a sailing ship? I was enjoying the names of some of them and came up with a few of my own: The Immediacy -- Euphoria -- Res Ipsa.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 12:51 pm
pirates
this is the website for
...SEA CADET TRAINING VESSEL ST. LAWRENCE II...

one of the architects, francis maclachlan, is a spry 80+ year old who is one of our swimming buddies in the morning. he learned his trade in great britain during WW II. hbg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 01:36 pm
There are some great images at that web site, Hamburger . . .

http://www.brigantine.ca/galleries/gallery1/images/photof.jpg

Brigantine on a broad beam reach, port side.


http://www.brigantine.ca/galleries/gallery1/images/zphoto.jpg

Three brigantines on broad beam reahes, two on the port side, one on the starboard, in light airs--the viewer sees these vessels from the direction of the wind


http://www.brigantine.ca/galleries/gallery1/images/photoc.jpg

Close-hauled to the wind--note that St. Lawrence has her square sails reefed. Look closely at the jibs at the bow, which are just beginning to luff, that is, to flap about as they cross the wind. The stay sail and lanteen still hold some air, but in this remarkable photo, the moment has just been captured as she points her nose into the eye of the wind. Within a few seconds of this photo, the jibs would have filled with air, as the stay sail and lanteen luffed, and then filled in their turn. This is a truly wonderful photo.

IMAGES OF MAKING SAIL:

http://www.brigantine.ca/galleries/gallery1/images/photok.jpg

http://www.brigantine.ca/galleries/gallery1/images/photoh.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 02:52 pm
So I'm showing here the type of ship, I've learnt sailing on:

http://www.gerhard-erdmann.de/Hobby/Kutter/KW2000.JPG
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2005 02:58 pm
Unfortunately, it wasn't the 'real' one in the background Laughing

Kiel week, " 'Marinekutter' - Regatta" - the cutter regatta is the only race within the Kiel bight and which can be watched from the shore.

http://www.sedov-ev-emden.de/Aktuelles/Kiel_1.jpg
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