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Has Mexico paid for Donald Trump's border wall yet?

 
 
Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:07 pm

Has Mexico paid for Donald Trump's border wall yet?
 
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glitterbag
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:18 pm
@Real Music,
No, Trump has no idea how he can make Mexico pay for his 'wall' so instead he is raiding the Pentagon budget in the neighborhood of about 3 billion. But what the hell, it only impacts military hospitals and other facilities necessary for the well being of our military men and women. They won't mind, they are happy to forgo medical treatment and safe housing and proper equipment. Its good we have such people who are willing to risk their lives for a functioning moron who pretends he has plans but doesn't. God bless America.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 09:02 pm
@Real Music,
Nobody would pay for a wall that hasn't been built.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 09:37 pm
They should make the wall out of water jugs and sausages. Feed those poor people as they take a dangerous journey.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 10:26 pm
By diverting $3.6 billion from necessary things, his Lowness will get the glorified fence up. Sure he will steal money from places such as the V.A. and West Point and 125 other things or places or projects. But hey, not to worry, he's sure the Chinese will now pay for it through tariffs.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 03:17 am

yesterday the white house released a photo showing border wall progress...

https://imgur.com/W8FFWyZ.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 08:05 am
@Real Music,
No and it appears we're not done paying for Donald Trump yet, either,
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 08:57 am
@Real Music,
Donald Trump is trying to get Mexico to pay for it on a layaway plan.
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coa999
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 10:39 am
I don't see how he can force them to pay for it.
Has Mexico signed a treaty granting this obligation?
Was this treaty ratified by both the USA and Mexico?
Has it been ratified but challenged in the international courts of arbitration?

Trump therefore has no basis to "force" Mexico to pay for it, since none of the above has ever happened.
The major treaty between the USA and Mexico is the NAFTA-replacement deal. Nothing about a wall in there.....
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 11:57 am
@Sturgis,
They, in turn, will make Taipei!
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 12:32 pm
@coa999,
coa999 wrote:

I don't see how he can force them to pay for it.
Has Mexico signed a treaty granting this obligation?
Was this treaty ratified by both the USA and Mexico?
Has it been ratified but challenged in the international courts of arbitration?

You certainly CAN'T read a room. The OP was being facetious at best.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 5 Sep, 2019 02:09 pm
@tsarstepan,
some folks are more artists of poesy than composers of jokes.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 04:45 am
Published August 3, 2017

LEAKED: Trump BEGGED Mexican President To Stop Talking About The Wall.

He said no! Cenk Uygur, host of The Young Turks, breaks it down.

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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:56 am
I have read a lot of news stories about intercepted drug shipments, but maybe they're fake news, who knows.

There may also be lots more drugs that made it through; i.e. enough to satisfy the market despite whatever drugs were taken out of their markets by being intercepted.

Assuming, however, that the intercepted drugs are not being replaced by other drugs at their point-of-purchase, then you could say that the drug industry is paying for the wall (not just Mexico), i.e. because the money not spent on drugs could end up going into the economy in other ways and thus funding the taxes that will ultimately pay for the wall.

Of course, if drug money gets spent in businesses that pay taxes, it will also fund the wall. Either way the wall gets funded. Either way, Mexico pays because of trade with the US, which is funding the wall.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 01:21 pm
No, but our military has.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 02:41 pm
https://i0.wp.com/www.politicalirony.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Nn0YM6X.png?resize=800%2C800
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 08:25 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

https://i0.wp.com/www.politicalirony.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Nn0YM6X.png?resize=800%2C800

Do you think the US will spend more on the wall than is spent on drugs and trafficked human labor?

What would be better, legalizing drug- and human- trafficking in order to tax them; or building a wall with tax money in order to stop drug- and human- trafficking from generating revenues in the first place?

In one scenario. you allow abuse and exploitation to go on in order to tax it; while in the other you lose GDP in order to stop a lucrative-yet-exploitative industry.

Which is better?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2019 11:02 pm
@livinglava,
Walls have not and will not stop drug and human trafficking.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 05:54 am
Unfortunately, McConnell just saved his senate re-election if it was danger. Kentuckians have always been proud of Fort Campbell. At least around in the area I live.

McConnell vows to protect Kentucky middle school from Trump's grab for wall funding
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 07:00 am
@InfraBlue,
Is there a more inhumane method for transporting drugs than putting them inside a living human body?

Every system of border control has a catch-rate that can be calculated. E.g. statisticians can keep track of what percentage of drug shipments hidden in produce are intercepted, how many hidden in agricultural products are intercepted, how many floated in to fishing boats, etc. etc.

That means there is also a catch-rate for shipments hidden inside (poor/desperate/extorted) human bodies paid as border-crossers. If the cost/revenue ratio for shipping drugs in this way is cheaper than other methods, there is an economic incentive to pay poor people to swallow drug balloons and pretend to be migrants traveling for work, family, and other ostensibly normal reasons.

A wall is not guaranteed to discourage trafficking, but it could help. Certainly if there is no wall, there is more opportunity to send human bodies filled with drug balloons by land-crossing.

If the demand-side for drugs would 'just say no,' there would be no money to make by sending drugs across borders, and then we could stop worrying about trafficking. Wouldn't that be nice?

In other words, the drug markets within the US have all the power to stop trafficking in their hands simply by giving up their habits and the transactions those habits engender. That also means they have the power to stop the wall from being built and all the waste and environmental harm that comes with it, not to mention inconvenience to legitimate migrants.
 

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