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Has Mexico paid for Donald Trump's border wall yet?

 
 
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 09:35 am
@livinglava,
You tell 'em Nancy. Just say no.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 10:45 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

You tell 'em Nancy. Just say no.

You're implying that they won't, so then the question becomes what to do about that.
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 10:46 am
@livinglava,
You tell us, since you have all the answers.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 10:52 am
@livinglava,
Yeah, tell them they'll roast in hell if they don't cease and desis.

That's the ticket.
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:05 am
@InfraBlue,
Oh yeah!

And tell them that in the here and now all their first born sons will be killed, and all the daughters sold into slavery.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 11:08 am
@chai2,
Yay! And then we'll have come full circle with human trafficking which is what we were addressing in the first place, and... oh, wait.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 08:52 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

You tell us, since you have all the answers.

The real insight I feel I have is that drug/human trafficking and other global organized crime is the reason people can't migrate freely throughout the world.

A border wall is as bad as the iron curtain, apartheid, or any other monument to national separatism; but the sad truth is that if all borders were completely opened to migration tomorrow, people would not migrate for the sake of liberty but rather to exploit the people of other nations in order to bring money back for people they regard as their own.

Colonialism was bad because people exploited foreigners instead of seeking to migrate peacefully. Today there is still exploitation that goes on because humans haven't yet grasped the concept of living sustainably and without exploitation.

Drugs/trafficking and other forms of organized crime are very exploitative. You don't get your own children hooked on drugs in order to exploit them for large amounts of money unless you are a hateful abusive parent, and yet people do this to other people's children around the world every day. As a result, some children get spoiled with expensive drug habits that exploit them for money, and by them paying out that money for the drugs, other people end up getting exploited to transport/traffic them.

If you hate the idea of the border wall and you think it will not work to stop drugs/trafficking, then start coming up with better solutions to stop drugs. When the drug markets are finished, there will be good reason to claim that borders are just a way of stopping legitimate migration. As long as criminals in one country are exploiting markets in another country, however, strengthening borders is just a way of deterring criminals in both countries from exploiting people on both sides of the border.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 10:26 am
Pay for it? They haven't stopped laughing at Donnie Two Scoops over it, yet.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 10:48 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Yet he is the presidink of the us of a, supposedly the top nation of the world.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2019 11:48 am
@JTT,
"supposedly". But in fact he is a major disaster.

With those teeny tiny hands I suppose he is the "presidink".
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 01:15 pm
District Court Rules Against Trump in Border Wall Case.


Published October 11, 2019

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1. The U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas found President Trump’s proclamation declaring a national emergency at the southern border to be unlawful, ruling that the use of funds for this project violates the Consolidated Appropriations Act.

2. The judge granted summary judgment in favor of the plaintiffs and called on them to file a “proposed preliminary injunction” specifying the scope of said injunction with ten days, after which the Trump administration is directed to respond.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/district-court-rules-against-trump-border-wall-case
roger
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 03:24 pm
@Real Music,
Good. I've mixed feeling about that wall, but I'm darned tired to the arrogance Trump consistently displays.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:21 am
House passes short-term spending measure as talks falter.


Published November 19, 2019


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed a short-term spending bill Tuesday that would keep federal agencies running for another month in hopes the additional time will help negotiators wrap up more than $1.4 trillion in unfinished appropriations bills.

The bill would avert a Thanksgiving government shutdown but opens the door to a possible shutdown just before Christmas.

The 231-192 vote sent the measure to the Senate, which is on track to pass the legislation in time to meet a midnight Thursday deadline. President Donald Trump has indicated he will sign it.

The monthlong spending bill comes as negotiations on the full-year spending package have hit a rough patch. Most recently there was a failed effort by lawmakers to win even more money on top of $100 billion in additional agency dollars permitted by July’s hard-won two-year budget and debt deal.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who negotiated the July budget deal with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., reentered the talks last week but was unable to produce a breakthrough.

The measure would fund the government through Dec. 20. There isn’t much optimism, however, that the deadline will make it easier for a successful negotiation on full-year measure that would fully put in place the July budget pact.

The House is also expected to be in the midst of impeachment proceedings in December, adding another obstacle to negotiations.

The chief holdup is Trump’s demands for up to $8.6 billion more for the U.S.-Mexico border wall. Republicans controlling the Senate have stuck with Trump despite worries that an impasse over his demands could force Congress into resorting to funding the government for the entire budget year at current spending levels.

“It is vital that we work in good-faith to fund important priorities for the coming year,” said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

The measure contains an assortment of technical provisions to ensure that spending on the 2020 census can ramp up despite delays in the agency’s full-year funding bill. It also reverses a planned cut in highway spending next year and offers greater assurances about funding a 3.1 percent pay raise for the military that takes effect Jan. 1.

It would extend, for three more months, surveillance-related provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that expire Dec. 15. One would allow the government to gather details of call records, gain access to business records, and conduct roving wiretaps of people trying to duck surveillance.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/House-passes-short-term-spending-measure-as-talks-14847034.php
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