Once Again: El Paso police report Multiple shooters at Mall

@thack45,

thack45 wrote:

What is virtue signaling?

It's when someone does something dramatic to conspicuously demonstrate to the world just how much they care about a cause that they believe is deemed to be "morally correct" (so that everyone can bask in the aura of what a wonderful person they are).

Doing something to actually help or advance the cause in question is not necessary. It just has to make it really obvious that "this is someone who deeply cares".

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@Walter Hinteler,

Armchair warriors conspicuously asserting moral superiority.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Armchair warriors.

It is a testament to the bankruptcy of the left that they cannot argue their position on the facts and instead rely only on childish name-calling.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg

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It is easier in this country for a person to buy an AR15 than in any other country.
We have far, far more mass shootings in this country than in any other country.

Is this - just this specific couple of pieces of information - a coincidence?

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@snood,

Coincidence might be a bit strong of a term. All sorts of random unrelated factoids are true.

The sky is blue. Grass is green. Is it a coincidence that both of these things are true?

There are 50 states in the US. The nation to the north of the main body of the US is called Canada. Is it a coincidence that both of these things are true?

There is no plausible argument that AR-15s cause mass shootings. Nor is there a plausible argument that adding a pistol grip to any other rifle will cause mass shootings.

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@oralloy,

We are the only country that has more guns than people. If you can stipulate that this is true, do you see that as a positive aspect about our country?

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@snood,

I think it's true, but did not double check to verify it. I'm happy to assume that it is true for the sake of discussion.

It sounds like a great positive. Free people have the right to carry guns. America is the last free country on the planet.

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@oralloy,

It has often been said that the remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They have open carry in El Paso, and at the Walmart where the atrocity happened it was not uncommon to have people carrying long rifles. But law enforcement has expressed concern that a number of people carrying weapons complicates and confuses their entering the scene.

Do you see it as mostly true that it’s best to have a lot of armed civilians (good guys) at the scene when a gun atrocity occurs?

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

Undeniably true

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@oralloy,

Do you acknowledge there is a rise of violence in this country committed by white supremacists?

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@oralloy,

Why do you feel addressed here, with all your heroic military experiences and awards in the use of various weapons?

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Right wing logic:

Crime by black folks?
"What's wrong with the black family?"

Out of wedlock births in the black community?
"What's wrong with black culture?"

White racist terrorism?
"What's up with these video games?"

@timjacobwise

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Back to Back Mass Shootings..................that phrase was used by a reporter earlier today.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

thack45 wrote:
What is virtue signaling?

It's when someone does something dramatic to conspicuously demonstrate to the world just how much they care about a cause that they believe is deemed to be "morally correct" (so that everyone can bask in the aura of what a wonderful person they are).

Doing something to actually help or advance the cause in question is not necessary. It just has to make it really obvious that "this is someone who deeply cares".

You might do better to come right out with it then. Right now it looks like you're just "virtue signaling the virtue signalers", and more problematically, it looks like you're using a straw man to wag your finger at an astronomically less troublesome issue.

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good...

Quote:

Federal authorities are treating the El Paso shooting as a case of domestic terrorism,
according to the US Attorney for the Western District of Texas.

The Justice Department is also "seriously considering" bringing federal hate crime and
federal firearm charges, which carry a possible penalty of death, against the suspect,
US Attorney John Bash said in a news conference.

(cnn)

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According to Gun Violence Archive - www.gunviolencearchive.org
There have now been 253 mass shootings in the U.S this year, thus far.
www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting (defined as more than 4 people killed and/or injured).

There have been 8,744 deaths and 17,366 injuries.

395 children up to age 11 and 1,802 from ages 12-17 have been murdered.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

It has often been said that the remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Yes. That is why we arm our police officers.

snood wrote:

They have open carry in El Paso, and at the Walmart where the atrocity happened it was not uncommon to have people carrying long rifles. But law enforcement has expressed concern that a number of people carrying weapons complicates and confuses their entering the scene.

I'm sure it does.

These problems can be reduced by properly training people as part of the concealed carry licensing process.

The problems can't be completely eliminated however. There are cases where even police officers mistakenly shoot each other.

snood wrote:

Do you see it as mostly true that it's best to have a lot of armed civilians (good guys) at the scene when a gun atrocity occurs?

Yes. Leaving people defenseless in the face of a massacre is much worse.

Although our right to carry guns would trump everything even if guns were a negative.

That actually poses a dilemma in how best to reply when someone claims that guns are a negative. Do I argue that they are not a negative. Or do I argue that we have the right to carry them even if they are a negative.

Both points are equally vital, but focusing on one of the points tends to minimize the other point.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Do you acknowledge there is a rise of violence in this country committed by white supremacists?

I have not paid much attention to white supremacists/separatists/nationalists/whatever-ists.

I really have no idea.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Why do you feel addressed here, with all your heroic military experiences and awards in the use of various weapons?

Mainly because you were referring to a quote that mentioned me by name.

But it was name-calling no matter who you directed it at. What does the question of military experience have to do with any of the points raised in this thread?

Also noteworthy is that this is a form of name-calling that tends to be employed only by people who favor fascist ideology.

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