They're Finally Doing It...And It's About Time

Unfortunately, there are still too many who believe that's exactly what Bush is doing with his policies--taking back America.

candidone1 wrote:

Unfortunately, there are still too many who believe that's exactly what Bush is doing with his policies--taking back America.

but less and less of them everyday..... :wink:

I'm willing to give my govt the benefit of the doubt on issues such as this.

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I'm willing to give my govt the benefit of the doubt on issues such as this.

This the same govt that was "having the intelligence aligned to support the attack on Iraq", thats another way of sying theyre cooking the data

I absolutely would object as strongly.

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I'm willing to give my govt the benefit of the doubt on issues such as this.

This the same govt that was "having the intelligence aligned to support the attack on Iraq", thats another way of sying theyre cooking the data

Roberts' planned bill also would make it easier for prosecutors to use special court-approved warrants for secret wiretaps and searches of suspected terrorists and spies in criminal cases, the committee aides said.

Wiretaps increase 19 percent in 2004


WASHINGTON (AP) - The number of secret court-authorized wiretaps across the country surged by 19 percent last year, records show. As law enforcement authorities scurried to keep apace of improving technology favored by criminals, not a single application was denied.

State and federal judges approved 1,710 applications for wiretaps of wire, oral or electronic communications last year. Four states -- New York, California, New Jersey and Florida -- accounted for three out of every four surveillance orders, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. That agency is required to collect the figures and report them to Congress.

The numbers released Thursday do not include court orders for terror-related investigations under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which reached a record 1,754 warrants last year, according to the Justice Department.

In nonterrorist criminal investigations, federally-approved wiretaps increased 26 percent in a year to 730 applications, while state judges approved 980 wiretaps, an increase of 13 percent....

Officials said most applications, some 1,308, were for drug investigations, while racketeering or gambling wiretaps accounted for a combined 128 wiretaps.

I know you are concerned about abuse, but has there been any abuse? Have there been any reports of abuse? Have people disappeared off the streets never to be seen again?

People who somehow end up in Egypt or Syria or Jordan ...

"Recipients could challenge the subpoenas in court and the Bush administration would have to report to Congress twice a year exactly how it was using this investigatory power, the aides said."

Seems like there is a check and balance here.

What exactly are you afraid of?

woiyo wrote:

"Recipients could challenge the subpoenas in court and the Bush administration would have to report to Congress twice a year exactly how it was using this investigatory power, the aides said."

Seems like there is a check and balance here.

What exactly are you afraid of?

I'm afraid that with this change the burden of proof, or even of probable cause, seems to have shifted to the suspect rather than the government. That's not supposed to be how things work here. That IS however, the way things work in third world dictatorships.