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OMG! CONDI (and BUSH & Now SCOTT) Still Thinks IRAQ = 9/11

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:03 pm
JTT wrote:
Lash wrote:
JTT-

The facts are messages and offers of assistance were passed between SH and OBL.

Their relationship, real or imagined, was not the sole reason the war occurred.

The fact is that he forced inspectors to wait around in front of facilities while quite large trucks took off behind those facilities.

The fact is an Iraqi scientist was dragged screaming for help from a UN caravan by SH's goons.

The fact is SH had WMDs previously.

The facts do mean something to me. Do they mean anything to you?

No one has said they're conclusive. But, they are not to be ignored, either.


You don't invade sovereign countries based on lies and concocted info. You don't kill thousands of innocents under false pretenses. You don't switch stories at your convenience. You don't defend these same things unless you are seriously delusional.


Which of the items in my post are lies or concocted info?
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:12 pm
Lash wrote:
parados wrote:
Lash wrote:
JTT-

The facts are messages and offers of assistance were passed between SH and OBL.

Their relationship, real or imagined, was not the sole reason the war occurred.

The fact is that he forced inspectors to wait around in front of facilities while quite large trucks took off behind those facilities.

The fact is an Iraqi scientist was dragged screaming for help from a UN caravan by SH's goons.

The fact is SH had WMDs previously.

The facts do mean something to me. Do they mean anything to you?

No one has said they're conclusive. But, they are not to be ignored, either.
If the facts mean something perhaps you could provide your evidence of these facts occurring in 2001 or 2002. I think you just like to make up "facts" then whine that we haven't proved them untrue yet.

One problem with coming in late and wrong--you have to read back.

Meanwhile, you yap for proof a lot for someone who runs off with his tail between his legs when somebody gives him proof.

You have unfinished business elsewhere.

Good God, parados.

You've got a LOT of reading to do.

Bush hasn't been President for 12 years...?

LOL.


I don't spend all day at my computer. But I certainly don't go running off when someone provides proof. But don't let that stop you from attacking me. Why provide any evidence when you can attack the questioner. Seems to be the modus operandi for your ilk.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:19 pm
LOL!!! (And, that was a loud one.) Your attack to reasoned response ratio is FAR higher than mine.

I simply asked you a question.

Which of these:
The facts are messages and offers of assistance were passed between SH and OBL.

Their relationship, real or imagined, was not the sole reason the war occurred.

The fact is that he forced inspectors to wait around in front of facilities while quite large trucks took off behind those facilities.

The fact is an Iraqi scientist was dragged screaming for help from a UN caravan by SH's goons.

The fact is SH had WMDs previously.

is a lie or concocted info?

And-- you asked me for proof of something on another thread--and disappeared when I brought it.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:27 pm
Lash wrote:
LOL!!! (And, that was a loud one.) Your attack to reasoned response ratio is FAR higher than mine.
I would love to see what you consider an attack.

Quote:
I simply asked you a question.

Which of these:
The facts are messages and offers of assistance were passed between SH and OBL.

Their relationship, real or imagined, was not the sole reason the war occurred.
The relationship was imagined and it was one of the reasons claimed for going to war. Not being the sole reason doesn't invalidate it having been claimed.

Quote:

The fact is that he forced inspectors to wait around in front of facilities while quite large trucks took off behind those facilities.
When did this happen leading up to the war? I don't know of any instance of this in 2003.
Quote:

The fact is an Iraqi scientist was dragged screaming for help from a UN caravan by SH's goons.
Again. When did this happen leading up to the war?

Quote:

The fact is SH had WMDs previously.
and the fact is those WMD were destroyed by UNSCOM. Evidence he had them in 1988 isn't evidence he had them in 2003.
Quote:

is a lie or concocted info?

And-- you asked me for proof of something on another thread--and disappeared when I brought it.
Which thread was this? I don't have time to make it to all of them. Tell me and I will be happy to search it out and respond to your claimed 'proof'.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2005 08:48 pm
Setanta--

Ilks come in a wide variety.

I've seen plenty that look just like you.

I can think of at least two tones possible from my preceding statement. The one I intended and the one you selected. There are likely more. It seems like it was a Rohrshak.

Parados--

I wrote:

The facts are messages and offers of assistance were passed between SH and OBL.

Their relationship, real or imagined, was not the sole reason the war occurred.

The fact is that he forced inspectors to wait around in front of facilities while quite large trucks took off behind those facilities.

The fact is an Iraqi scientist was dragged screaming for help from a UN caravan by SH's goons.

The fact is SH had WMDs previously.

The facts do mean something to me. Do they mean anything to you?

No one has said they're conclusive. But, they are not to be ignored, either.

To which you said:

If the facts mean something perhaps you could provide your evidence of these facts occurring in 2001 or 2002. I think you just like to make up "facts" then whine that we haven't proved them untrue yet.

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Again, you accuse me of "making up facts" and whining when they aren't proven untrue.

Since you have a habit of running off after someone has produced evidence, make your specific accusation before I waste anymore time on you.

Which is the lie or concocted info? Can you give a straight answer?
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:03 am
It appears Condi was so well programmed she forgot it was all lies.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/18/115427/494
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 11:27 am
(Thanks, Moderator person.)

I didn't ask for that, BTW, but lets see if we can't stay on topic. I don't wanna have to pull this thing over and come back there. Razz
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 12:04 pm
Lash wrote:

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Again, you accuse me of "making up facts" and whining when they aren't proven untrue.

Since you have a habit of running off after someone has produced evidence, make your specific accusation before I waste anymore time on you.

Which is the lie or concocted info? Can you give a straight answer?


I answered all your questions in the prior post. Now answer mine.

I am still waiting to know which thread you produced evidence on and I ran off. I would love to address it.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:54 pm
This:
Quote:
The relationship was imagined and it was one of the reasons claimed for going to war. Not being the sole reason doesn't invalidate it having been claimed.

is not an answer to-- was it a lie or concocted information.
An answer would be: It is concocted information.
It is a lie.
It is neither a lie, nor concocted information.
This:
Quote:
When did this happen leading up to the war? I don't know of any instance of this in 2003.

is not an answer to-- was it a lie or concocted information.
An answer would be: It is concocted information.
It is a lie.
It is neither a lie, nor concocted information.
This:
Quote:
and the fact is those WMD were destroyed by UNSCOM. Evidence he had them in 1988 isn't evidence he had them in 2003.

is not an answer to --was it a lie or concocted information.
An answer would be: It is concocted information.
It is a lie.
It is neither a lie, nor concocted information.

If you will answer my questions, we can proceed.
You have accused me of making up lies. Which ones are the lies?
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:28 pm
Sorry you don't like my answers but I don't see any reason why I should stick to your choices. I only asked you for evidence of any of those facts occurring in the time leading up to the war.

As for a made up fact by you. One needs only to read through this thread which is why I made the statement. You claimed that Saddam and OBL had "met." Your attempt to continually claim they met because intermediaries did so was laughable and hence my statement about you whining. (Tell you what. If you can find any news story that claims 2 leaders met when only representatives did then I will apologize profusely.)

You also claimed that OBL and Saddam worked together.
Lash wrote:
Yes. They were cohorts. They both had a common enemy at the time, and as people with common enemies will do--they worked together.

Like Saddam and OBL did more recently
.
Another made up fact with no evidence to back it up.

Now, care to answer my questions?
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 06:53 pm
I have copied excerpts from the 911 Commission Report in these pages that prove both Saddam and OBL made overtures to one another, offering assistance.

If you couldn't read it then, I see no reason to believe you'll be able to read it now.

Now, care to answer my questions?

Which of my statements were lies, or concocted information?
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:22 pm
So where does the 911 Commission report state that Saddam and OBL worked together? My copy of it doesn't appear to state that anywhere.

Does it not help when I BOLD your factually false statement when I specifically quote it?

Go ahead and be as snippy as you want. It doesn't matter much to me. I can read just fine.

I cited 2 instances. One I quoted. The other was an entire series of statements on your part. I think you understand full well what it was.

In case you need to go back and read it again. I never stated that any of the items I quoted from your prior post were untrue. I only requested evidence that they happened in the last few years. Then I said I think you make up "facts" and whine about them. I have now cited two of those "facts" you made up and are whining about.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 07:53 pm
parados wrote:
So where does the 911 Commission report state that Saddam and OBL worked together? My copy of it doesn't appear to state that anywhere.

Does it not help when I BOLD your factually false statement when I specifically quote it?

Go ahead and be as snippy as you want. It doesn't matter much to me. I can read just fine.

I cited 2 instances. One I quoted. The other was an entire series of statements on your part. I think you understand full well what it was.

In case you need to go back and read it again. I never stated that any of the items I quoted from your prior post were untrue. I only requested evidence that they happened in the last few years. Then I said I think you make up "facts" and whine about them. I have now cited two of those "facts" you made up and are whining about.


My understanding is that it specifically said there was NO evidence they had worked together.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:19 pm
Lash,
I finally tracked down what I think was your claim of you providing proof and me running. I posted there.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1347125#1347125

By the way, you didn't provide any proof there for what you had stated. So, if you meant a different thread then please let me know.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:23 pm
Your understanding is correct, Miss Wabbit.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:49 pm
Setanta wrote:
Your understanding is correct, Miss Wabbit.


I don't know how many times she has stated it but you people are mincing words. She didn't say they worked together, she said their people had meetings.

Not being present at those meetings we don't know what they talked about or what type of assistance was offered one way or the other. We might never know but the fact remains that there were meetings. And that is what has been stated by Lash.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:16 pm
Lash wrote:
Yes. They were cohorts. They both had a common enemy at the time, and as people with common enemies will do--they worked together.

Like Saddam and OBL did more recently
.


Explain this statement then Baldimo if Lash NEVER said they worked together. I can only see one meaning in it. The first cohorts refers to Saddam and Rummy but the comment about Saddam and OBL mentions nothing about a meeting and can only refer back to "they worked togther."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:20 pm
You having a bad day, Baldimo? Have your reading comprehension skills perhaps temporarily degraded somewhat under stress?

dlowan wrote:
My understanding is that it specifically said there was NO evidence they had worked together.


So

Setanta wrote:
Your understanding is correct, Miss Wabbit.


Miss Wabbit asked about what is in the September 11th Commission report (a copy of which i have on my desktop). I responded. This exchange does not refer to, criticize or in any way suggest anything about what Lash did or did not post.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:21 pm
I think Lash has decided that, since there is, and can be, no PROOF that there WASN'T any co-operation at all, this is the same as proving there WAS.

If you look back on the thread there is a quite fascinating progression towards this taking place.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 09:23 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Your understanding is correct, Miss Wabbit.


I don't know how many times she has stated it but you people are mincing words. She didn't say they worked together, she said their people had meetings.

Not being present at those meetings we don't know what they talked about or what type of assistance was offered one way or the other. We might never know but the fact remains that there were meetings. And that is what has been stated by Lash.


Nah - she moved - as has been clearly quoted - to saying they worked together.

The "meeting" furore was another, different, kerfuffle.
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