When Christianists Attack

Spare me your anger (Cyclo) for anything if it is not overwhelmed by the anger over the fate of this poor child.

I just didn't like the holier-than-thou approach, just because he feels some dead kid is more important than alive people, sheesh

Cycloptichorn

I wouldn't go back to that church and listen to that preacher after learning of his character anyway regardless of him "repenting his ways."

BBB there are extremist in every category of life.

I think if Churches get or take money from the government or become tangled with the government in any way then they should have to pay taxes.

Personally I wouldn't belong to a church that mixes religious matters with secular matters. That even includes having large yard sales for fund raisers and the like. It reminds me too much of the famous "den of thieves" story in the Bible.

But the main reason is just simply that if the government gets involved with Churches it is not too long of a ride until the government is telling a person how to believe or what can be preached and taught.

Finn

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Spare me your anger (Cyclo) for anything if it is not overwhelmed by the anger over the fate of this poor child.

Piss off

Cycloptichorn

As is your comparison - the two are quite unrelated - not to mention you appear to believe that people can/should only feel negatively about one thing. It is not an either/or - and your apparent belief that they are so is ridiculous. If it is, as I suspect, merely a rhetorical device, it is just as stupid - see above.

I don't give much of a tuppenny smeg about a loony priest either, however this particular idiot is apparently representing a broader institution, which is presumably why people are concerned.

Apparent? How so? Does every loon now somehow represent a broader institution? If so, we can flood A2K with righteous rejections of one-off idiocy.

And please do not try your false dichotomy on me.

Heaven forbid.

I work with the results of disgusting abusive behaviour towards kids - I know all about it. This does not disqualify me from also commenting on the bad behaviour of people in other situations. I can walk and chew gum as well, actually.

As can most of us.

You and cyclo are free to express your anger over each and every little affront to your sensibilities, as I am free to dismiss and call to tasj such fury.

I am sure Cyclo posted this thread precisely because he, like you, believe the loon's behavior is representative of a broader institution, and this is what angered me. Am I not entitled to mine own anger?

Of all the stories in the news to express one's idignation over, this tripe in NC seems, to me, to be the least deserving, and for those, for whom it has invoked such ire that they fell compelled to start an A2K thread on it...God bless you.

I just didn't like the holier-than-thou approach, just because he feels some dead kid is more important than alive people, sheesh

Cycloptichorn

What money do churches receive from govt? Does this include all faiths or just those you don't like? What type of tangle to the govt do churches currently have?

How is it that yard sales affect you and or churches? Churches do have to raise money and I don't see an issue with a yard sale. Why do they bother you?

You are a little paranoid if you think Govt is going to get that involved with religion. Remember the President is only in office for a max of 8 years and the Constitution prevents the two from merging.

No, you're correct. You have every right to fuss and fume over the stupidity over a lone pastor in North Carolina. In fact, get goddamned pissed of at the idiot. Shake your fists at heaven and vent your spleen on A2K, because his actions are deserving of your righteous anger.

Pardon me for attempting to put your fury in perspective.

It will be interesting, now, to see if Cyclo's clear insensitivity is called to task by those who leapt to his defense against the big bad Finn.

There are, without doubt, certain breeds of Conservatives who engage in stupid behaviors, however the Liberals who do just seem to irritate me more, and so I will continue, notwithstanding your admonition, to point them out when I see them.

watchmaker's guidedog wrote:

how are my priorities?

Misinformed, and immaterial.

I don't need anyone to 'leap to my defense' over the likes of you.

dlowan wrote:

As is your comparison - the two are quite unrelated - not to mention you appear to believe that people can/should only feel negatively about one thing. It is not an either/or - and your apparent belief that they are so is ridiculous. If it is, as I suspect, merely a rhetorical device, it is just as stupid - see above.

I don't give much of a tuppenny smeg about a loony priest either, however this particular idiot is apparently representing a broader institution, which is presumably why people are concerned.

Apparent? How so? Does every loon now somehow represent a broader institution? If so, we can flood A2K with righteous rejections of one-off idiocy.

And please do not try your false dichotomy on me.

Heaven forbid.

I work with the results of disgusting abusive behaviour towards kids - I know all about it. This does not disqualify me from also commenting on the bad behaviour of people in other situations. I can walk and chew gum as well, actually.

As can most of us.

You and cyclo are free to express your anger over each and every little affront to your sensibilities, as I am free to dismiss and call to tasj such fury.

I am sure Cyclo posted this thread precisely because he, like you, believe the loon's behavior is representative of a broader institution, and this is what angered me. Am I not entitled to mine own anger?

Of all the stories in the news to express one's idignation over, this tripe in NC seems, to me, to be the least deserving, and for those, for whom it has invoked such ire that they fell compelled to start an A2K thread on it...God bless you.

Finn

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No, you're correct. You have every right to fuss and fume over the stupidity over a lone pastor in North Carolina. In fact, get goddamned pissed of at the idiot. Shake your fists at heaven and vent your spleen on A2K, because his actions are deserving of your righteous anger.

Pardon me for attempting to put your fury in perspective.

Well, here's the thing. You can't do anything for the dead. You can do things for the living.

So there's no reason to get upset over the 'Precious Doe' thing you listed as what SHOULD be concerning us right now. It doesn't matter if ya do. Nothing will change. So, no, some dead kid isn't more important than live people. You are wrong, Finn.

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It will be interesting, now, to see if Cyclo's clear insensitivity is called to task by those who leapt to his defense against the big bad Finn.

Oh, I think they all still realize that you are a jerk. I don't need anyone to 'leap to my defense' over the likes of you.

Cycloptichorn

Side note. There are times in my life when I'm debating with something and they just turn around and say something so incredibly unbelievable that I find myself sitting there with my mouth open unable to think of a word to say.

finn wrote:

There are, without doubt, certain breeds of Conservatives who engage in stupid behaviors, however the Liberals who do just seem to irritate me more, and so I will continue, notwithstanding your admonition, to point them out when I see them.

What can I really say to that?

Who really cares?

You are welcome to be as hypocritical as you like. Much like you, I will continue to point it out though.

Fair enough.

You are perfectly free to admonish me as you see fit. If you do so though, I would only ask that you attempt to be accurate.

If I had argued that Conservatives are incapable of stupid behaviors then I might be guilty of hypocrisy. That the stupid behaviors of Liberals irritate me more than the stupid behaviors of Conservatives simply indicates a bias, of which I, clearly, have no problem admitting.

I'm afraid that unlike you I have not achieved the level of enlightenment that prohibits me from exhibiting any bias. Since there is no shortage of people in this forum who are prepared to point out the stupid behaviors of Conservatives, I will focus my comments on the stupid behaviors of Liberals, content that Stupid Rightwingers will never get a free pass on A2K.

The whole charge of hypocrisy (although I have made it myself) seems pointless in a forum like this. If you discover me defending what, to you, appears to be the stupid behavior of anyone, let alone a Conservative, then please feel free to close your mouth and attempt to find the words to point out where I have gone wrong.


Completely unlike you, I do so even though our political ideologies are similar.

That's a fairly broad statement to make. "Completely unlike" me? This suggests that you completely know me? Do you?

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watchmaker's guidedog wrote:

how are my priorities?

Misinformed, and immaterial.

Which information that I provided or upon which my point was based was incorrect?

That I was cynically using the death of a child to make a political point.

Was my point more immaterial to your post, than your post was to the thread?

A matter of opinion, but the raising of the question, in no way, makes your point material.

"The likes of you."

Well that's a body blow from which I can't recover.

If you wish to insist that the death of an innocent child is not more important than whether or not some people are thrown out of a church, as I said before...so be it.