Why are liberals referred to as elitist?

Baldimo wrote:

dlowan wrote:

The right wing elitist comments on how stupid liberal America is. The right elitist comments on how stupid Clinton is. The lright wing elitist makes stupid comments about other people not actually working for their money. The right wing elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than cutting government programs. (Except Bush, who increases them - life is odd.) . The right wing elitist believes they can take your money better that you can.


The right wing mindset that allows the left to call them "prejudiced and dictatorial" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The right winger thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure damnation. It doesn't matter if the right path leads no where, it's the right path because the right says it is.


Man - it's easy saying absolutely nothing of any substance portentously, isn't it!!!

The problem with your post is that it is wrong. Can you provide proof of your comments?

With the reform of SS the govt is giving you a choice and the left doesn't like it because they would rather keep old people under their thumbs with limited income in their old age. The right wants to give you the choice of doing it yourself. The left thinks people can't take care of themselves so there for they have to do it for us. I would rather decide for myslef by the talking heads on the left won't let me.

Lol! Yes - it is hard to prove these sententious and ridiculous nothings, isn't it?

Pretty much why I chose to lampoon McGentrix's post by simply reversing it.

With the reform of SS the govt is giving you a choice and the left doesn't like it because they would rather keep old people under their thumbs with limited income in their old age. The right wants to give you the choice of doing it yourself. The left thinks people can't take care of themselves so there for they have to do it for us. I would rather decide for myslef by the talking heads on the left won't let me.

Baldimo wrote:

With the reform of SS the govt is giving you a choice and the left doesn't like it because they would rather keep old people under their thumbs with limited income in their old age. The right wants to give you the choice of doing it yourself. The left thinks people can't take care of themselves so there for they have to do it for us. I would rather decide for myslef by the talking heads on the left won't let me.

How much crap can you try to spoon feed people? Reform of SS gives us choice? Didn't we have choice BEFORE anyone started talking about SS? I made the choice to start putting money into an IRA 20 years ago. I made the choice to put money in my 401K. You aren't giving me anything here Baldimo but a pile of crap. SS was started because old people were living in poverty. Learn some history for God's sake.



If you really want to give me CHOICE about where my tax money goes then fine. Do it. I choose to not spend any of my tax money on a road near you. Hell, you can take care of your own damn road since you want to take care of yourself. I choose to not spend money on a missile defense system. Why should I have to pay for some boondoggle you want? I choose to not spend money on anything and everything that benefits Baldimo.

I would rather decide for MYSELF instead of some RW talking head named Baldimo.


Now that the rant is done. Back to reality. We have a govt. We all pay taxes. That govt provides services that we sometimes agree with and most of the time don't. That is the way it works and will always work. If one person or group gets to decide everything then we are no longer a democracy of any sort.

You seem to be mistaking the good of the many vs the good of the individual.

Infrastructure, missile defense, etc are used to protect the general welfare of the entire population. You do understand that, right? You understand the difference and the purpose of government, right?

The government is not supposed to be your personal accountant, nanny, doctor, delivery person.

McGentrix wrote:

You seem to be mistaking the good of the many vs the good of the individual.

Infrastructure, missile defense, etc are used to protect the general welfare of the entire population. You do understand that, right? You understand the difference and the purpose of government, right?

The government is not supposed to be your personal accountant, nanny, doctor, delivery person.

You do understand satire, don't you? You do understand the difference between serious commentary and poking fun at someone else's ludicrous argument, right? :wink:

The general welfare is protected in many ways. SS is one of them. Even you have to agree with that one McG.

The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.

The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else.

The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion.

The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.

"The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else"

The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion

It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is.

The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is.

The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs

The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.

This is the biggest projection I've seen since I was last at a drive-in movie.

It is such a wierd paragraph. The projection of one's behavior onto the "outsider" is chilling. Those nightly visitations and lectures on the use of propaganda from Dr Joseph Goebbels must be so enlightening for you.

McGentrix wrote:

"The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else"

You are of course referring to those liberal elites who want to ban abortions?

You are of course referring to those liberal elites who wanted to make Michael Schiavo keep his vegetable wife alive because they knew better than him?

Perhaps instead its those liberal elites who want to ban same sex marriages because, well, you know, those homos can't think straight anyway, Right?

Maybe its just liberal elites like Judge Roy Moore thinking they know better than anyone that the Ten Commandments need to be displayed on Federal government property?

Maybe its just liberal elites like Dick Cheney and his energy task force who wanted no one to know what they were doing, especially the public, who has absolutely no right to know what the government is discussing about a national energy policy.

Perhaps instead its those liberal elites who want to allow teacher led prayer in public schools?

Each is an example of what you define as those "liberal elites" who want to behavior, but it is by political conservatives. So how can you refer to such a property exclusive to liberals when clearly it is not?

McGentrix wrote:

The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion

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You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and want to afflict the Federal Judiciary with the radical constitutional theory of "original intent."

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and have threatened the Federal Judiciary on both the floor of the Senate and the House because cases have been decided that do not conform to a narrow religio-fascist agenda.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and have introduced bills in the House to prevent the Judiciary from having review over certain suits IF they involve religion.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they knew the true path and invaded Iraq, calling anyone who opposed them as leading the nation to ruin.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who thought they knew the true path to economic prosperity while inflicting $500 Billion yearly deficits, $750 Billion yearly trade deficits and a 10-year, $10 Trillion dollar tax cut yet will not tolerate mention of using taxation as a means to reduce these problems.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path to the drug problem and support criminalization and a soaring prison population of 2.1 million,

Each is an example of what you define as" liberal elitist" behavior, but it is by political conservatives. So how can you refer to such a property exclusive to liberals when clearly it is not?

McGentrix wrote:

It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

Maybe its just liberal elites like Pat Robertson who proclaims that only Christians (and maybe some Jews) should be allowed to be judges.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path to reduced teen pregnancy is by teaching abstinence only programs, to reduced AIDS is by eliminating needle exchange programs, or child heath by cutting infant health care programs

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who actually read the student test scores of American children versus those in the rest of other nations and note that American kids lag far behind their counterparts.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think more education is better than less, just as the Busheviks reduce Pell Grants.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money

You are of course referring to those stupid liberal elitist comments that ask why investment income is taxed a lower rate than labor, why the percent of federal tax from individuals has risen and corporate taxes have fallen, while corporate earnings have increased 15% over the last several years and worker's wages have stagnated.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is.

You are of course referring to those gentlemen "C's" at Yale? Or the lowest passing flight crew evaluation test possible in the TANG. Perhaps it is just recognizing that George Bush is prone to speak before he thinks, and can not articulate well, perhaps others see that he says dumb things that is unprecedented from an American President.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who believe the problems solved by the likes of the CDC, UNESCO, the World Bank, IMF, and World Health Organization are immense, and can't be solved by the private sector

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who point out the relationship between Medicaid and child health care programs cuts with the low US standing in the world vis-a- vis our national health from studies showing that the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialist world.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who demand that the private sector begin to pay its share for environmental damage caused by industrial pollution.

You are of course referring to those GOP elitists in the Senate who want to stop the National Weather Service from providing for free to any citizen what private companies sell for a fee.

You are of course referring to those problems being addressed at the FDA and OSHA government program that has saved lives.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can

You are of course referring to the liberal elitists like Oliver Wendell Holmes who said that "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society."

You are of course referring to the liberal elitists who are spending $500 Billion for the defense budget, and $300 Billion for Iraq while cutting education, worker safety, and medial aid to the poor and indigent.

You are of course, wrong.

The term "Liberal Elite" is used mostly as a reference to those who regard themselves as the custodians of correct liberal thought and who often advocate government (as opposed to private0 action to address the social priorities they seek. Many of these people inhabit universities, government agencies, professions (mostly lawyers0 and some areas of business as well. While a good deal of their social program involves issues they style as 'equity' matters for the poor and 'underprivileged', the fact is that a very large proportion of these self-styled elites are themselves quite well-off.

One of the many ironies of life is that while Liberals decry the hated bible-thumping redneck rightwingers who would tell them how to live, they don't hesitate to advocate their own equivalent form of indoctrination into the holy religion of "diversity" and political correctitude.

I would contend that the holy religion of "diversity" would include the "bible-thumping" rednecks, and whatever they espouse and believe.
The way I see it, liberals are far more inclusive than those falling beneath the umbrella of the religious right.
I don't believe many lefties have supported the abolishment of organized religion, they support the private practice of it, as it contributes to the diversity of society.

Political correctitude, as you put it, to a degree, just makes sense. That way we can avoid people being publicly called niggers, fags and bible thumping rednecks.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.

This is the biggest projection I've seen since I was last at a drive-in movie.

It is such a wierd paragraph. The projection of one's behavior onto the "outsider" is chilling. Those nightly visitations and lectures on the use of propaganda from Dr Joseph Goebbels must be so enlightening for you.

McGentrix wrote:

"The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else"

You are of course referring to those liberal elites who want to ban abortions?
No, the ones that wish to keep murdering babies and using abortion as a method of birth control. Death is death and the liberal elitist seems to have no qualms with it. That is unless the person being killed is a mass murdering rapist, then look out!

You are of course referring to those liberal elites who wanted to make Michael Schiavo keep his vegetable wife alive because they knew better than him?
No, I mean the ones that completely disregard the desires of a girls parents who only wish they could have their daughter back.

Perhaps instead its those liberal elites who want to ban same sex marriages because, well, you know, those homos can't think straight anyway, Right?
No, I mean the liberal elitists who wish to change two thousand years of tradition and religious sentiments because a tiny minority of a population is crying oppression. More government control over people's personal lives. Government and liberal elitists should keep their noses out of people's religions.

Maybe its just liberal elites like Judge Roy Moore thinking they know better than anyone that the Ten Commandments need to be displayed on Federal government property?
No, I mean the ones that have no faith in anything and therefore believe no one else should either. The ones that get their panties in a bunch over anything resembling a moment of faith from anyone.

Maybe its just liberal elites like Dick Cheney and his energy task force who wanted no one to know what they were doing, especially the public, who has absolutely no right to know what the government is discussing about a national energy policy.
No, I mean the ones that want the government to control every bit of their lives. Telling them what hospitals and doctors they can use, which medications they can have, which schools they can attend, what car they can drive, what foods they can eat.

Perhaps instead its those liberal elites who want to allow teacher led prayer in public schools?
No, I mean the ones that want to keep religion and history out of the school no matter the community standards and no matter what the population wants.

Each is an example of what you define as those "liberal elites" who want to behavior, but it is by political conservatives. So how can you refer to such a property exclusive to liberals when clearly it is not?

McGentrix wrote:

The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion

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You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and want to afflict the Federal Judiciary with the radical constitutional theory of "original intent."
Nope. The ones that wish to mold the constitution into something it was never meant to be.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and have threatened the Federal Judiciary on both the floor of the Senate and the House because cases have been decided that do not conform to a narrow religio-fascist agenda.
No, the ones that flee their state in order to keep a vote from happening because they may get their way.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path and have introduced bills in the House to prevent the Judiciary from having review over certain suits IF they involve religion.
Nope, I mean the ones that are changing their positions to be more religious friendly because they realize that what the people of America are looking for.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they knew the true path and invaded Iraq, calling anyone who opposed them as leading the nation to ruin.
No, I am referring to those liberal elitists that thought containment was enough and that no terrorist would ever dream of attacking the United States.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who thought they knew the true path to economic prosperity while inflicting $500 Billion yearly deficits, $750 Billion yearly trade deficits and a 10-year, $10 Trillion dollar tax cut yet will not tolerate mention of using taxation as a means to reduce these problems.
No, I mean the elitists that never considered the weak position of the US military and used severe budget cuts to establish an illusionary budget surplus. The same ones that allowed companies like Enron and Adelphia run rough-shod over their employees and allowed a recession to start because they could not get a grasp on the economic events of the late 90's.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path to the drug problem and support criminalization and a soaring prison population of 2.1 million,
No, I mean the ones that want to pamper drug abusers and prisoners while ignoring the great many people in America that obey the law and try the best they can to get by in life. The only victim the liberal elitist knows is the one breaking the law and abusing the already over-burdened social support services.

Each is an example of what you define as" liberal elitist" behavior, but it is by political conservatives. So how can you refer to such a property exclusive to liberals when clearly it is not?

McGentrix wrote:

It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.

Maybe its just liberal elites like Pat Robertson who proclaims that only Christians (and maybe some Jews) should be allowed to be judges.
No, I mean the ones that are threatening to fillibuster the vote for federal judges because they can not get their way and are afraid that a conservative judge may upset the delicate balance that Clinton built by nominating extreme liberal judges to the 9th circuit.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think they know the true path to reduced teen pregnancy is by teaching abstinence only programs, to reduced AIDS is by eliminating needle exchange programs, or child heath by cutting infant health care programs
No, I mean the ones that believe they know better than a teens parents how to raise their children.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who actually read the student test scores of American children versus those in the rest of other nations and note that American kids lag far behind their counterparts.
No, I mean the ones that write books like "what's wrong with Kansas?" or headlines that lament the stupidity of the American populace.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who think more education is better than less, just as the Busheviks reduce Pell Grants.
No, I mean the ones that keep complaining about programs like No Child Left Behind which has been trying to improve the education system through actual education instead of additional government programs and interference.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money

You are of course referring to those stupid liberal elitist comments that ask why investment income is taxed a lower rate than labor, why the percent of federal tax from individuals has risen and corporate taxes have fallen, while corporate earnings have increased 15% over the last several years and worker's wages have stagnated.
No, I mean the ones that ignore the facts about taxes and instead choose to point out insignificant statistics that mean nothing.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is.

You are of course referring to those gentlemen "C's" at Yale? Or the lowest passing flight crew evaluation test possible in the TANG. Perhaps it is just recognizing that George Bush is prone to speak before he thinks, and can not articulate well, perhaps others see that he says dumb things that is unprecedented from an American President.
No, I am referring to man that went to Yale University, then to Harvard, then later became a governor and finally President of the United States. There have only been 43 in the history of the US.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who believe the problems solved by the likes of the CDC, UNESCO, the World Bank, IMF, and World Health Organization are immense, and can't be solved by the private sector

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who point out the relationship between Medicaid and child health care programs cuts with the low US standing in the world vis-a- vis our national health from studies showing that the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialist world.

You are of course referring to those liberal elitists who demand that the private sector begin to pay its share for environmental damage caused by industrial pollution.

You are of course referring to those GOP elitists in the Senate who want to stop the National Weather Service from providing for free to any citizen what private companies sell for a fee.

You are of course referring to those problems being addressed at the FDA and OSHA government program that has saved lives.

McGentrix wrote:

The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can

You are of course referring to the liberal elitists like Oliver Wendell Holmes who said that "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society."

You are of course referring to the liberal elitists who are spending $500 Billion for the defense budget, and $300 Billion for Iraq while cutting education, worker safety, and medial aid to the poor and indigent.

You are of course, wrong.

I believe "religious right" is a far more interesting term than "Liberal Elite". When asked to define the "religious right" most liberals (on these threads at least) quickly make specific reference to the most extreme examples of bible thumping redneck zealots. However when discussing opposition to their own liberal political agenda, these same liberals suddenly include whoever is not with them in the "religious right". Big difference.

I believe "religious right" is a far more interesting term than "Liberal Elite". When asked to define the "religious right" most liberals (on these threads at least) quickly make specific reference to the most extreme examples of bible thumping redneck zealots. However when discussing opposition to their own liberal political agenda, these same liberals suddenly include whoever is not with them in the "religious right". Big difference.

Political correctitude is just a collection of ever more smarmy euphemisms for old euphemisms, for old ...., all designed to blur the meaning and distinctions that can be made among people and values. OK if you don't like thinking for yourself.

The fact is, there's nothing inherently more elitist about liberals than there is about conservatives.