timberlandko wrote:I'd say America is pretty much the same as just about everywhere else in this regard. And don't blame me for the bons mots; it was Ambrose Bierce who came up with it
You repeated it. One assumes it meant something to you - besides a little dig.
candidone1 wrote:
As a liberal, I get my ass kicked on this board on a regular basis by said conservatives without leaping to the conclusion that educated=elitist. Although formally educated, I'm academically or intellectually nowhere near so many members here from the right. So I fail to see the connection or the relevance of education when discussing the charge of elitism by the left.
Face it candid, you are a populist, not an elitist, but that is just as bad. Just look at all those movies about "common folks" being produced out there in Hollywood.
Politics makes for some strange statements. Lots of populists have been accused of being elitist.
Another examp[le of liberal "elitism" or whatever you want to call it.
John Kerry during the election bemoaned the fact that we are so dependent on foreign oil.
He suggested that we conserve energy,reduce energy consumption as much as possible.
Al;l good ideas,BUT,this came from the man that owns 4 or 5 houses.
Those houses get heated or air conditioned all the time,even if he isnt there.
He bought a private jet for the election,instead of flying commercial.He has several cars.
He wont get rid of his stuff,all of which uses energy,but he reccomends that the rest of us do so.
heehee - it seems - in the eyes of conservatives - education - especially the ability to achieve higher education - leads to liberalism.
Mebbe your liberals are simply more elite?
i tend to think it is a perjorative from the Right because they feel that liberals ask too many questions about the political positions of the Right.
the Right has melded market populism with anti-intellectualism and accuse those who question the veracity of the meme's from the Right as elitist.
instead of arguing the case, the Right accuses the Left of elitism so they do not have to defend their positions from objective analysis.
you see it this very day in kansas where the right wing is atttempting to put science on trial because science and scientific method undermine the magical mysteries of their faiths.
its those elitists in the universities who are demanding proof that the Bible is literally true. that is just not fair, and its because those guys are elitists who demand proof.
dont like paul krugman's economic analysis of the bush social security plans? don't worry, you do not need a consistent counter-argument, just call him an elitist, and declare victory.
you are questioned why america went go to war when it had not exhausted all peaceful avenues. all you need to do to defend your positions is call your opponent an elitist.
someone demands a better explanation for your opinion than "because God said so!" just call him an elitist and declare victory
elitism is a term ignorant people cast at their adversaries when they are unable to explain why they hold a particular position under the scrutiny of objective and rational analysis.
oddly enough i would bet money that just as many high roller republicans send their kids to "elite" institutions of higher leasrning as those who are accused of holdinfg elite tendencies.
btw: who did pol pot and the khymer rouge take and and kill first?
it was the elite.
The right can't hope to capture the working class vote if it is perceived - rightly - as being concerned witht wealthy individuals and corporate interests.
So to capture the working class vote they line up their smarmy talking heads and get them to babble on about the left being "elite".
The working class gets cranky about the "elite" because the "elite" obviously hog the wealth to themselves and their powerful corporate friends so this "elite" must not be allowed into office.
And it works well. Working class people continually vote against their own interests because they have been conned. But there is another element to it. In many ways the left in America is perceived as being the Democrats. From my observation nothing could be further from the truth. The Democrats are really centre-right. Well, from where I stand they are. The left in America is a splinter group that will never threaten to gain government.
Yes - anti-intellectualism seems to have become a real feature of the right - at least since Agnew.
Formerly, at least in Oz, it seems more to have been a feature of the working class left.
Maybe it is a feature of the more ignorant of all political stripes?
One thing's fer sure here - buncha goat-gettin' and label-flingin' goin' on.
timberlandko wrote:One thing's fer sure here - buncha goat-gettin' and label-flingin' goin' on.
Nice job, Timber. Thanks for showing so clearly how one can cast aspersions instead of presenting evidence in a discusion to support one's case.
You wield a mighty tool.
kuvasz wrote:timberlandko wrote:One thing's fer sure here - buncha goat-gettin' and label-flingin' goin' on.
Nice job, Timber. Thanks for showing so clearly how one can cast aspersions instead of presenting evidence in a discusion to support one's case.
You wield a mighty tool.
Any partisanship in my most recently previous comment is entirely in the mind of the beholder. The ridicule was equally spread across the entire political spectrum.
Here,
want your goat back?
The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.
The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.
McGentrix wrote:The liberal mindset that allows the right to call them "elitist" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The elitist thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure oblivion. It doesn't matter if the elitist path leads no where, it's the right path because the elitist says it is.
The liberal elitist comments on how stupid middle America is. The liberal elitist comments on how stupid Bush is. The liberal elitist makes stupid comments about rich people not actually working for their money. The liberal elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than more government programs. The liberal elitist believes they can spend your money better that you can.
the liberal elitist thinks everyone should follow them because they know what's right for them.
The Conservative good old boy doesn't know a goodam thing except that if you don't agree with him he'll beat the **** out of you.
Which is a great philosophy if you pick your adversaries carefully. Just the little ones. :wink:
timberlandko wrote:One thing's fer sure here - buncha goat-gettin' and label-flingin' goin' on.
It is the goat-getting and label flinging season.
It's hard to resist all the good natured fun isn't it?
The right wing elitist comments on how stupid liberal America is. The right elitist comments on how stupid Clinton is. The lright wing elitist makes stupid comments about other people not actually working for their money. The right wing elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than cutting government programs. (Except Bush, who increases them - life is odd.) . The right wing elitist believes they can take your money better that you can.
The right wing mindset that allows the left to call them "prejudiced and dictatorial" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The right winger thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure damnation. It doesn't matter if the right path leads no where, it's the right path because the right says it is.
Man - it's easy saying absolutely nothing of any substance portentously, isn't it!!!
dlowan wrote:The right wing elitist comments on how stupid liberal America is. The right elitist comments on how stupid Clinton is. The lright wing elitist makes stupid comments about other people not actually working for their money. The right wing elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than cutting government programs. (Except Bush, who increases them - life is odd.) . The right wing elitist believes they can take your money better that you can.
The right wing mindset that allows the left to call them "prejudiced and dictatorial" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The right winger thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure damnation. It doesn't matter if the right path leads no where, it's the right path because the right says it is.
Man - it's easy saying absolutely nothing of any substance portentously, isn't it!!!
The problem with your post is that it is wrong. Can you provide proof of your comments?
With the reform of SS the govt is giving you a choice and the left doesn't like it because they would rather keep old people under their thumbs with limited income in their old age. The right wants to give you the choice of doing it yourself. The left thinks people can't take care of themselves so there for they have to do it for us. I would rather decide for myslef by the talking heads on the left won't let me.
Since social security was originally designed to support people who couldn't take care of themselves, I'm not sure what the problem is there.
And I'll throw in a
for the heck of it...
patiodog wrote:Since social security was originally designed to support people who couldn't take care of themselves, I'm not sure what the problem is there.
And I'll throw in a
for the heck of it...
Now that the govt has that control the left doesn't want to give it up. The left stands for control of the people because they don't think they can do it themselves.
Baldimo wrote:dlowan wrote:The right wing elitist comments on how stupid liberal America is. The right elitist comments on how stupid Clinton is. The lright wing elitist makes stupid comments about other people not actually working for their money. The right wing elitist bemoans problems, yet offers no solutions other than cutting government programs. (Except Bush, who increases them - life is odd.) . The right wing elitist believes they can take your money better that you can.
The right wing mindset that allows the left to call them "prejudiced and dictatorial" is the one that believes they know what is right for someone else. The right winger thinks that everyone should follow them because they know the one true path and any other path must lead to sure damnation. It doesn't matter if the right path leads no where, it's the right path because the right says it is.
Man - it's easy saying absolutely nothing of any substance portentously, isn't it!!!
The problem with your post is that it is wrong. Can you provide proof of your comments?
With the reform of SS the govt is giving you a choice and the left doesn't like it because they would rather keep old people under their thumbs with limited income in their old age. The right wants to give you the choice of doing it yourself. The left thinks people can't take care of themselves so there for they have to do it for us. I would rather decide for myslef by the talking heads on the left won't let me.
Lol! Yes - it is hard to prove these sententious and ridiculous nothings, isn't it?
Pretty much why I chose to lampoon McGentrix's post by simply reversing it.
