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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Fri 20 Jan, 2012 06:25 pm
@spendius,
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That won't do ci. Religion sets the tone for the others. Or is intended to do.



From my observation it seems to set a tone that is far from the teachings of Jesus.

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It's being worked on rl. Rome wasn't built in a day. It's not a dollop of potter's clay dontcha know.


You don't think a few thousand years of make-believe has been enough time?
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 06:04 am
@reasoning logic,
Nobody of substance is going to take you seriously rl if you continually rant on about "make believe". It's as if all you want to do is laugh at people from presidents to paupers whilst taking advantage of the world they have created.

You need an alternative. Have you got a hang-up about offering one?

We can't debate on this "make believe" jibe in isolation from practical politics. Even Setanta has traduced Apisa's claim to superiority on the basis you are claiming it. And rightly.

And your sneering is just such a claim.

Why don't you sneerers get together and thrash out a way forward for the social structure on a grown-up, intelligent foundation? Such as that we're all shitting and eating machines with certain chthonic urges walking up and down on the surface of the earth.

Or should it be crawling? Should it be the "earth" even?

Start with the facts.
reasoning logic
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 06:21 am
@spendius,
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rl if you continually rant on about "make believe"You need an alternative. Have you got a hang-up about offering one? Start with the facts.


Spendius an alternative to make believe would be reality. Yes the reality is that everyone seems to have an subjected opinion but why not use science to find the closest objective reality as possible?

spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 06:26 am
@reasoning logic,
Explain your favoured policy in action. It is surely make believe to be constantly in the abstract forgetting that there are over 300 million Americans needing to be mucked and foddered on a continuing, day-after-day basis.

Why not use science indeed? What you have there is flapdoodle.
reasoning logic
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 06:31 am
@spendius,
Do you find it best that we continue to socially engineer people into thinking that make believe is best? They seem to be able to do that all on their own.
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 06:50 am
@reasoning logic,
I don't know. The onus is on you. You're the one with the new ideas. I'm okay with things as they are.

I presume your repetitive "make believe" jibe is intended to categorise 90% of Americans as childlike and you as one if the intellectual elite.

You can hardly read and write rl. Diplomas notwithstanding.

Offer us something we can get our teeth into eh? Bulldozing all institutions founded on make believe for instance. Removing all persons indulging in make believe from the educational process. We don't want people trading in bullshit involved in so important a matter now do we?

reasoning logic
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 07:08 am
@spendius,
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Offer us something we can get our teeth into eh?


You are still teething and require pacifying to be content, you are not ready for the truth but just in case someone else is able to be open minded I will share a little truth with them.

spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 09:00 am
@reasoning logic,
Bloody Icke!!! The Truth!!!!????

Go have a sniff at the incense rl.
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spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 09:34 am
@reasoning logic,
I dipped into Icke.

I found him at one point whining about this shadow world of manipulative fat cats he has invented, human gods I suppose he must mean, not accepting a referendum vote and at another point ignoring the fact that Tony Blair won three elections and retired undefeated supposedly, according to your guru, because the shadow world had manipulated the electorate. Which one might expect a shadow world of manipulative fat cats to do if it is any good at it.

So a referendum that goes the way he wants has not been manipulated and one that goes the way he doesn't want has been.

Brilliant. It's called weaving the strands of confusion around the little noggins of that minority which feels itself intellectually superior.

Oh--he used the expression "to be honest" which always causes my vocal chords to go "Ahem!".

And atheist lovers can't commune with the higher world in moments of the uttermost sublimity like well brought up Christian ladies can.
farmerman
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 09:37 am
@spendius,
I just noticed that, this morning, you and gungasnake sound identical in schmearing us with run-on schmaltz
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 10:04 am
@farmerman,
Well the occasional drip-drip of clear, crystal mountain spring water won't do much fm. Not in the short term at least.

I thought my last two posts were quite incisive containing, as they did, not a shred of schmaltz , and were hardly run on except maybe for those whose concentration is such that following a sentence of more than a few words is well nigh impossible.

I think that "I just noticed that, this morning, you and gungasnake sound identical etc" is not as fluent as "I just noticed that you and gungasnake sound identical etc. "Just noticed" means "this morning" I think. Even making due allowances for that "I just noticed this morning that you and gungasnake sound identical etc" is much better than your formulation and saves you bothering with commas.

And the notion behind this schmaltz of yours is idiotic anyway.

farmerman
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 11:13 am
@spendius,
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"Just noticed" means "this morning" I think.
no it doesnt. Thats why your writing is imprecise. Its ok, understanding you isnt really difficult, its just so damned tedious . You seem to blurt out the same patty-pies time and again.

My job is to remind you how little you seem to care for any correspondents. You (and lately gunga) are the only two whose principal subjects in a sentence or paragraph are totally washed away with the attention span of someone with ADHD.
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Joe Nation
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 11:27 am
@spendius,
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I don't know. The onus is on you. You're the one with the new ideas. I'm okay with things as they are.


No, Spendius, you are not Okay with things as they are. If you would be honest with yourself and us, you would take us all back, not to just pre-Darwin days , but to some point before the Age of Reason.

I think you would like to have been an 10th century Archbishop of the Roman Church, sermonizing each Sunday, while pretending to read out from the Vulgate, on the ways of Man and the place of Women.

I bet you are reading this with a sigh of relief.

Joe(someone finally understands you.)Nation
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 11:35 am
@Joe Nation,
Pretty good wrapup on spendi, the bishop of Faust.
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
Joe's far-fetched fantasies flapping flagrantly from the forecastle flagpole don't come close.

And fm's back on the "no it doesn't stuff.
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reasoning logic
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 01:01 pm
@spendius,
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I dipped into Icke.


Why did you do that when your not even ready to dip your toes into that type of thinking. That would be like school kids being taught evolution and even you know how ill advised you think that is.
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 01:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
We emptied Icke out years ago. I just thought I would have a shuftie at what the bugger was up to with a less discerning audience.

What about the points I made in the post you are faking replying to?
reasoning logic
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 01:26 pm
@spendius,
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What about the points I made in the post you are faking replying to?


Be specific as to the question you would like me to answer and I will. exactly which points?
spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 02:36 pm
@Joe Nation,
What you are up to with that little scheme Joe is one of the endless variants of the Hidden Prince idea. Not that I suppose for a moment that you are conscious of being.

It stems from Polonius with his "be thine own self be true". That inside us all is an inner self fighting with the forces without which are hindering its expression.

To be plausible with the chattering classes it usually takes the form of a good, self-defined, inner self struggling with its own regrettable dark, authentic instinctual urges. An inner self which favours philosophising and cerebration and is hostile to fornication and general orgiastic self indulgence.

To be plausible with Caligula, the Marquis de Sade, and those of that ilk, the inner self battles with cold theological enemies.

Marx and Veblen had versions of it with their "creative energy" and "instinct of workmanship" inner selves being thwarted by the imposed constraints of a social structure.

Obviously, the true inner self is in sympathy with reason and rationality. It is good. What self-respecting inner self wouldn't be. Eh? Especially in polite social gatherings.

Were the inner self to be in sympathy with contingent, blind causal factors, such as instinctual urges, it would have nothing to say to puff up its image because that is the nature of contingent, blind causes: there is nothing to be said about them.

Now that the Darwinian canon has rendered ridiculous the idea of man as a fallen angel and replaced it with the complex monkey idea it behoves us to study monkeys in order to truly identify the nature of our inner selves. I cannot see how a secularist could think of searching anywhere else. The attractiveness of the complex monkey theory is precisely in the identification of the inner self with the lower, animal nature of our non-mental parts.

I conceived the idea of long lie-ins in a morning from watching sloths. And the idea that evolution runs the opposite way to the received wisdom and the highest form of life being the microbe. Humans being the lowest from an evolutionary point of view which is somewhat suggested by our earth wrecking potential.

Adherents to the fallen angel principle tend to be conservative and adherents to the complex monkey idea revolutionaries.

If the frog turns into a prince when kissed by the princess it is a matter of importance which prince it is. The fallen angel might jump her in certain circumstances but would have a stricken conscience. The complex monkey would go looking for a banana.

There is no inner self here yearning to become an Archbishop of the Roman Church in any century. Your attempt to pin me in a display cabinet to show your mates is ridiculous I'm afraid.
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spendius
 
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Sat 21 Jan, 2012 02:50 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Be specific as to the question you would like me to answer and I will. exactly which points?


They are plainly obvious in my post you faked a response to.

1-Icke's treating the result of a referendum to suit whatever argument he is making at the time and his assuming we have forgotten how he treated another one in the opposite way to suit another argument he made a few minutes earlier.

His use of "to be honest".

And the advantages of an atheist lover, the video was under the sponsorship of an atheist lover dating agency, over a sweet Christian lass who hasn't been shagged up hill and down dale by every Tom, Dick and Harry as I suspect female members of an atheist dating agency to have been assuming they have got past the novice stage as I would anticipate most of them have.

Okay. Remember me. Don't ask me again.
 

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