Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

In an even more recent question on Darwin:

London, 30 June 2009 A British Council survey into awareness of Charles Darwin and attitudes towards evolution has found that there is a broad international consensus of acceptance towards his theory of evolution.

The British Council, the UK’s international body for cultural relations, announced the results of its global survey at the World Conference of Science Journalists (WCSJ) in London on Tuesday 30 June, 2009, as part of its international programme Darwin Now, to mark the publication of Charles Darwin’s groundbreaking work On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection on 24 November, 1859.

The research, conducted by Ipsos MORI, surveyed over ten thousand adults across ten countries worldwide including Argentina, China, Egypt, India, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Great Britain and the USA.

The results show that the majority of people polled have heard of Charles Darwin with the highest levels of awareness in Russia (93%), Mexico (91%), Great Britain (91%), and China (90%) whilst less than half of people polled in Egypt (38%) and South Africa (27%) saying they had not heard of him. Overall, the majority (70%) of people surveyed have heard of the British naturalist.

Link:

http://www.wcsjnews.org/story/20090701/darwin-survey-shows-international-consensus-acceptance-evolution

What's your reason Wiz--so you can love your Ma and Pa oh wah oh wah oh wah?

A huge Peggy Lee hit, late in her career:

You're lot are all peaked out Wiz.

The Big City has perfected a system of showing ads on TV to pay for programmes to be made and the ******* programmes are making huge profits by getting idiotic viewers to phone in to vote for the best 7 out of 8 useless acts and next week to do it again for the best 6 out of the 7 and so on. It's straight theft. And the networks that run these shows are all on the anti-ID side.

The Hadron Collider is burning money on a fire and wasting what are undoubtedly expensively educated people.

There's nowhere to go. The instruments have reached a limit. The Darwin crap is just an attempt to keep all the scientists and their hangers on in work.

If they found a way of significantly extending age they would have to keep it to themselves but they can keep pretending that they are going to do so long as they never succeed.

I saw that whole Peggy Lee Show on Sky Arts.

It's called freedom of choice; whether it's about the purchase of goods and services, education, entertainment, or anything else humans engage in.

Well- if caveat emptor is in operation what's Mr Madoff doing in jail? His customers had the free choice of high return and high risk. What did he do wrong on the argument you just presented?

You have a blurted argument for all weathers.

Fraud is against the laws. Your inability to understand simple legal systems carry over into your ignorance about evolution.

Just like PSXXX falls for the scheme of discrediting evolutionary science, people we're bilked into investing in Bernie Madoff's "investment pool" through clever deception and lies (that also fooled the authorities for years, despite alarms). So PSXXX has no idea what fraud is because he's bought into the anti-Darwin, anti modern evolutionary science fraud of ID. He's just lucky there's no money involved, but he wouldn't put his money where his mouth is even if he is always able to find his mouth for a pint of suds.

It all comes down to greed on both sides of the ledger.

In a way, the IDiots and Creationuts have come up with a kind of Ponzi scheme to convince people that Darwin was wrong and they can give them internal life and answer their prayers by believing in a supernatural being. They offer the posters on their blogs as proof for anyone logging in that they have the unbridled truth about evolution and yet they have none (just like Bernie didn't have the investor's money). The other payoff is the belief that we are special beings singled out by that being to conquer and rule the Universe. But that is a foolish belief to invest in, just like Bernie's investments was a foolish place to trust one's money.

LW, What I find very fascinating is the simple fact that it doesn't matter what religion they believe in; they are completely enslaved into it. When I was in Tibet a couple of years ago, I learned that the Tibetans walked from all over Tibet to the main temple in Llasa, some taking as long as two years. They prostrate themselves every few steps, stand up, clasp their hands together, and do that repeatedly until they reach Llasa. Even in front of the Potala Palace, there are usually large throngs in front prostrating themselves to pray.

At the main temple in Llasa where adherents are supposed to visit at least once in their lifetime, long lines wait to get into the very small temple grounds to pray, dance, look at the treasures, and observe the ceremonies being performed by monks.

Devotion to their religion is not limited to Christians or Muslims who pray five times a day towards Mecca.

I have personally concluded that religion is a human need; at least for the majority of us.

Rather looks like something out of an old Universal serial?

You have to laugh. Darwinists getting uptight about fraud. Fraud is a Christian invention lock,stock and all the way to the shop where they sell handkerchiefs to mop the tears of the frauded.

Mr Madoff would be sponsoring the gladiators in the olde days and distributing the bread in a ceremony they called a Triumph.

Mr. Madoff is in prison now, getting banged by a gladiator.

I assume many "glad"iators.

I told you that you are Christians in all but name. You are only non-Christians when you wish to engage in activities of which I will not speak.

Once the ultimate source of morality ceases to be Divine there is only Power remaining and Media have it which is why Media are so eager to discredit God and, if it gets its way, abolish Him.

Even Media's van drivers strut. Read Orwell.

May I point out where some might miss where you stand on morality?
First you say:



And two posts later you write:


So, apparently those handkerchief sellers are 1) not affected by the Ultimate Source of Morality, so... not much power in that ultimate source? It's a kind of weak-kneed Divinity unable, despite being omnipotent, of influencing moral behavior? or 2) you've got it wrong and there never was an divine ultimate source of morality and we've just got to watch out for each other. (And I mean that in all the senses of "watch out" imaginable.)

Joe(Hey. What are you are doing there? Hey. Hey.)Nation

ARN has just released their DVD 'DARWIN's DILEMMA, The Mystery of The Cambrian Fossil Assemblage"

Its produced by the Intelligent Design Group called ARN and is just chockablock full of circular reasoning and a couple of flasehoods. I was sent a copy by a friend from a church study group and was asked to comment on it. Its an interesting bit of fluff that takes the reasoning that "If we can call something a CAmbrian Explosion, surely there is enough there to let us conclude that the explosion was therefore evidence of Intelligence "

They pretty much ignore all the edphic events such as the increase in O2 and the development of "hard parts" over 40 million years or so kind of refuted an explosive event. The interviews with real paleontologists have been mostly edited for maximum spin , since most of these paleontologists had already been on record .

Im sure you can find it at any library.

Well Joe--all this Divine stuff doesn't really apply to the intelligent people on these threads. It's only meant for the ignorant and superstitious and they are 90 odd % aren't they?

As long as we behave like good Christians is really all that matters. As I do most of the time.

ci. has been boasting about getting high returns on his investments as if the rest of us are too stupid to have understood the temptations of the ads he read and if the high risk turns out bad he will be all for locking up those who tempted him. Which is not unlike blaming the lady in rape cases for dressing provocatively.

I'm not one of those who feels their pride can't accept a mass illusion when the illusion is useful. I'll go along with it and keep my own counsel.

It really didn't ought to be necessary to watch out for each other. Pious Christians don't need to be watched and the more of them there are the better and trying to reduce their numbers just for the purpose of sounding scientifically righteous or having sitting ducks to vent the spleen on seems to me to be a ridiculous policy.

The task of anti-IDers, which they continually shirk, is to prove the usefulness of their anti-Christian attitudes.

I don't see Science in any way restricted by Christianity. Quite the opposite.
In the cases where it is there are sound theological reasons. By that I mean reasons associated with the orderly management of society.