Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Well, god created us that way. There are also some women that rape... I wonder who created them?

I should have quoted the entire dialogue (it's spoken by the character Val in the book): All men are rapists and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws, and their codes.

You should'a, but it's a little late now. LOL

you are rather innocent ci. We men cannot, at least for now, who knows what science can yet do, be rendered pregnant. We also need to get an erection which is not a requirement for ladies. The $multi-million sales of lubes broadcasts that they needn't even be aroused but simply submitting to the "codes". The codes of the Christian tradition of course.

Hence there is a difference. For males it is carnal and for females psychological. The thrill in the latter being from the expression of power and control although carnal pleasure may also be involved. Nobody seems absolutely sure about the latter as it is difficult to tell imitations from the real thing. The power manifestations can be clearly seen in any high-class shopping precinct. High-class being defined as that in which such power is most highly attenuated. $200 dinners being higher class than $100 ones and $100 ones being higher class than $50 ones and $50 ones being higher than sitting on the kerb with a bag of fish and chips. The nutrition being more or less the same in all cases although the last named might be superior in many respects.

It's the same in frock shops where coloured sacks fetch a range of prices. In fact, when I think about it, it's the same right across the board.

One thing is sure though and that is that the genuinely celibate priest or shaman frees his mind for higher matters which both baffles and challenges intelligent ladies to such an extent that they often have recourse to saying that the priests are not actually celibate in a suggestive and crude snigger to get them off the hook. There's a movie about it starring the famed Barbara Stanwyk.

I fear that in an evolutionist world the power of ladies will become somewhat more alarming than it already is.

Gold up $66 in one day. What's going on? Phew!!!

Lots of fodder for the debate...
http://www.youtube.com/NatCen4ScienceEd

If that's "lots of fodder" I feel sorry for any horses ros owns. (Assuming, for the purpose of the argument, it is not an illusion that one can own a horse.)

I think it was Marx who said that revolutions have a nice phase followed by a nasty one.

In the nice stage all the enemies of the tradition combine in a unified and harmonious phalanx as do our anti-creats. They are not anti-ID at all. They only think they are as a result of confusing ID with creationism.

When they have their victory, perish the thought, they begin fighting among themselves for the power structure vacancies which necessarily arise when the tradition has been vanquished.

Their differences then come to the fore and are explicit. Having differences is the sine qua non of the fight for the vacancies.

Some will be flat out determinists and some will insist on treating man as autonomous. Some will favour democratic participation and others will favour rule by experts.

In the tradition stupidity and authority are compatible as we see from the history books. I've heard it said that written constitutions result from the combination. But freedom and scientific knowledge, with its implied deference to experts, are not so miscible.

The revolutionary phalanx can, when fighting together against a common enemy, embrace such contradictions with little discomfort but once in power the gong is rung for the first round of fight.

So it would be an error of judgment on the part of any readers here to think that the anti-creats are as unified and in harmony as they look to be when they are battling with my goodself. They will be fighting like cats in a sack if I were to surrender and my simple humanity causes me to do all I can to prevent such a sad fate coming upon them.

Back to the original question... (haven't beat this dead horse enough yet)...


I think ID is more of a superstition than it is Science or Religion.

Uh, I think religion qualifies as superstition.

Right. Religion can be a type of superstition and ID can be a type of superstition. But that doesn't necessarily mean that ID is a type of Religion, right?

ID might also be labeled as a Propaganda since it really only exists as a mechanistic argument for inserting a particular religious belief into science classes.

If it weren't for the Discovery Institute's attempts to cloak Creationism in the veil of ID, then the literal concept of ID would barely even exist and would go unnoticed next to the concept of God, which is really what ID implies without saying so.

That's a "given." Without religion, ID would not exist.

What qualifies as a superstition?

Religion and you

LOL -- it's the ghost from the pub. A figment of our imagination.

The IDiots are trying to paint science as a religion, but the opposite is true.

Even Artistotle's god is an abstraction still without any evidence in reality and he was, of course, unable to see the deep field of galaxies at the edge of the Big Bang Hubble has photographed.

Supernatural:

1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe ; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2 a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b: attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)

Any wonder why the descriptive "The Holy Ghost?"

Are you denying an unseen order of existence in the cells of our bodies responding to moods or inputs from the environment.

Are you not going to tell us what qualifies as a superstition LW. There's no need to be shy. You used the word to define something else and if you won't say what the word means then your original remark is meaningless.

The three monkeys have invaded the discussion -- see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Does anyone here love their neighbor to the right, left, up or down (in case you're in a flat, condo, or apartment)? Really love them? I like my neighbors on both side but they've never been in my home for dinner. They have borrowed sugar or butter.

As some compile their own dictionaries in the brain (I think it's in the reptilian area near the brain stem), I cannot be held responsible for the mistaken semantics in a word of phrase.

That's real love.

Does anyone here make little wax figures of their neighbours and stick pins into them?

The point I made related to comparing Christianity with voodoo. If you're not going to address it what's the point of your trolling interjection?

The additional point relating to the stupidy and slander of relating the two, in the service of a cheap lying smear, as a common characteristic of atheists, being one likely to alienate not only many devout and pious atheists but also that 85% of Americans who are not atheists, is also unanswered.

I have never loaned anyone butter and sugar.

Is it any coincidence that ID spelled backwards is DI (Discovery Institute). I think not.