Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@Lightwizard,

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He has posted so many garbled boxcar sentences, they're all on a track but there's no locomotive to get them anywhere.

Is there somewhere to go?

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@Diest TKO,

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Sure, but what's your point? I'm not saying they are false, I'm saying that they are unnecessary to explain the universe.

You are still trying to rationalize atheism...and it doesn't work. Atheism is still just a belief system opposed to the belief system of theists.

The fact that gods are unnecessary to explain the universe does not say anything about whether or not there are gods.

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If it is your belief that this body of evidence is simply waiting to be found, say so, but understand that argument is an underdog one.

I do not have beliefs. If I am supposing something, I identify it as supposition; if estimating, I identify it as estimating...and if guessing, I identify it as a guess. I leave “believing” to people who want to disguise their guesses.

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I don't find your conclusion shallow, and I don't think you should be ridiculed for it, your opinion deserves respect.

That's nice.

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You must be honest though: This is not a stalemate...

Absolutely. The agnostic position wins out over the atheistic or theistic guesswork EVERY TIME.

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...and you are in fact holding out for a sea change of evidence.

Don't know what you mean by this.

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@cicerone imposter,

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What I expected from you; can't handle the truth!

Look, Jerkoff...nobody in A2K has ever given more forceful or thorough arguments against religion that I have. I have been a vocal and dedicated opponent of religion in every form.

Just because I am not willing to join you assholes who want to guess there are no gods...doesn't mean that I haven't given up on religion.

It means I am more truthful and ethical than you assholes.

Okay????

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@Lightwizard,

LW...agnostics are as interested in the Reality of existence as much as the next person. We are as likely to engage in discussions of religion and atheism as anyone else on the planet.

I am not sure why so many people think we are not interested...or not willing to discuss...or not willing to explore than anyone else....but it simply is not true.

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@spendius,

Nothing in this posting that addresses the language issues, Spendi. One would think that if you had any degree of competence, you'd have got right to it.

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@Diest TKO,

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Frank, perhaps you're used to a different type of person in debates such as this. I'm willing to accept any empirically based conclusion be it god or otherwise. Me not agreeing with you doesn't mean I necessarily agree with the opposite of your beliefs.

I do not have beliefs...I am not peddling beliefs.

Atheists, for the most part...and theists are.

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If rational thought leads me to atheism, so be it.

There is no way rational thought could lead anyone to atheism or theism. Both are irrational.

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I'm not picking a belief then walking backwards to explain how I got there. I'm just going to keep walking my scientific path, and we'll see where I end up.

If you say so...fine. But don't try to convince me that your atheism (if that is where you are) is the result of rational thought.

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@spendius,

Spendius...if he'd get his head out of his ass...he's realize that having the fossils does not impact on whether or not a GOD exists...and because of that, it does not impact on whether there is a possibility that a GOD intelligently designed the system that resulted in the animals that left those fossils.

But the operative phrase is...if he'd get his head out of his ass.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Another reply from Fresco...who KNOWS what the Reality is.

A pathetic belief system gone ape ****!

...and another ad hominem from Frank who doesn't KNOW what "KNOW" means !

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@JTT,

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Frank, you've had a number of opportunities to illustrate your grasp of English grammar and I'm afraid that you've fallen somewhat short of competent.

Thank you for sharing that. If you weren't a ******* coward...you would have responded to my questions in the other thread.

Frankly, I'd rather be deficient at grammar than a coward.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote: Your reply here illustrates that you're no where (SIC) near competent enough to discuss these issues, Spendi.

Spendius...have you ever heard the English word "nowhere?"

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@Frank Apisa,

Oh, so correct. Fossils only belie the time frame. What, has someone discovered the Christian version of Well's time machine? I suggest they get into it and return to the early Middle Ages where they belong. They'd also probably enjoy The Spanish Inquisition, considering their tortured sentence.

That metaphoric train is now in a deep, dark tunnel.

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@fresco,

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...and another ad hominem from Frank who doesn't KNOW what "KNOW" means !

I KNOW what KNOW means.

I also recognize a set of beliefs when I see them.

Too bad you don't. But then again, maybe not. You are entertaining.

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@Frank Apisa,

Thank you for the spell check, Frank. That's really quite a remarkable catch.

Is this your way of avoiding weightier issues?

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@Frank Apisa,

There are "beliefs" and there are "evidence." I prefer evidence.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank wrote

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I KNOW what KNOW means.
I also recognize a set of beliefs when I see them.

Wiki gives

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Philosophical debates in general start with Plato's formulation of knowledge as "justified true belief". There is however no single agreed definition of knowledge presently, nor any prospect of one, and there remain numerous competing theories.

How about trying "Justified and "True" for us Frank ? Wink

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@JTT,

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Thank you for the spell check, Frank. That's really quite a remarkable catch.

Is this your way of avoiding weightier issues?

Nope!

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@cicerone imposter,

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There are "beliefs" and there are "evidence."

There's a beautiful sentence!

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I prefer evidence.

Sure you do!

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@fresco,

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How about trying "Justified and "True" for us Frank ?

No need. I can recognize a belief system when I see one, Fresco. And the snake oil you are peddling is a belief system.

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@Frank Apisa,

I find that hard to believe, Frank, because, as regards language, you have never addressed any of the weightier issues.

How many pages on is it since you "corrected" FM? Surely, your duty extends farther than a crack on the knuckles.

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@Lightwizard,

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Oh, so correct. Fossils only belie the time frame. What, has someone discovered the Christian version of Well's time machine? I suggest they get into it and return to the early Middle Ages where they belong. They'd also probably enjoy The Spanish Inquisition, considering their tortured sentence.

That metaphoric train is now in a deep, dark tunnel.

We are talking about possibilities here, LW.

Is it not possible there is a GOD?

If there is a GOD...and if everything happened exactly like the scientists say it most likely happened...

...is it really wrong to say: The GOD was intelligent enough to design the system in the way the GOD did?

Not saying that there is a GOD!

Am saying there possibly could be a GOD.

Am saying that IF there is a GOD...the GOD probably set the mechanics of how things work into motion.

Am saying that IF that is so....then the GOD was the Intelligence that did Design the means that got us from nothing to what we are.

I honestly do not see how anyone can logically argue with that????

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