Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

spendi wrote:

It's called the "legal" system of any country.

You are simply blind to the simple facts of life; religious people commit most of the crimes, because most people claim to be "religious." Even in the US, over 80% claim to be "christians."

As for science and religion, people of religion do not accept science; if they do, their whole world falls apart; no more heaven and after life.

Science on the other hand continues to research our environment, and any claims of science is based on repeated evidence - not some cockamamee 2000 year old book that can't keep the story straight between the life of earth, the world flood, and the jesus miracles. The bible has too many errors, omissions, and contradictions for it to have any true value - to the thinking person.

Who created god? Man.

That's just disingenuous.



So I'm on the side of the "over 80%" I guess and you lot are the awkward squad.



Don't be so bloody silly.



Obviously--it's a well paid job and supported by the "over 80%" . And Science seems quite confused about the environment as far as I can tell. What are we "over 80% ers" getting for our money except confusion.



Any thinking person would ROTFLHAO at such an infantile remark. He would think it emanated from a gate-post. One of those 10" x 10" ones that's got the severe shakes, moss round the bottom and with a point on the top so that the **** from perching birds doesn't form a puddle.

It's like saying there's no meaning in Roadrunner or Tom and Jerry because nobody gets up after a ten ton rock flattens him on the tarmac or a cat can't be sucked up a drainpipe. You probably think Titanic was about a ship sinking after hitting an iceberg.

Of course man created God. Can you think of anybody else who might have.

One of the many things I have contributed to these threads is to remind A2Kers to ponder where Jesus had been between, say, 15 and 30. Simply because you have never pondered that does not mean there is no point to it. But then you don't know anything about that world He must have wandered in before returning home. He certainly wasn't with mom or a nice wife all the hours God sends perusing soft-furnishing catalogues so you won't be able to see the significance of those years and hence you won't be able to see how important it was to be very careful, not enough though, how He phrased the lessons He had learned bearing in mind His IQ. And he walked it. Going to places where people told him interesting things happen. I'll bet he learned to walk on water watching the Games in Rome. And at the orgies the water conduits ran with wine. Ceasar could feed 100,000 with a nod of the head. That's a miracle eh?

Get a map of those times and look where he might have gone in 15 years. A sharp kid can attach himself to an influential person easily. Hitching lifts on ships. Helping out. Going where the weather suits His clothes. Soaking it all up. He's every comic book hero. He's the hero of every great book. The hero has to die. Fielding does it best though. His hero dies the death of domesticity.

The speaking genome.

Hi Spendius, you don't remember me, but I remember you - I'm far from a newbie. I was quite a frequent visitor here from 2004-2005, then FB took me away, but I'm back now, in 2008.

Hi. How could I forget somebody with a username like your's. I assume you have not called in to inform us all that religion is not science and doesn't belong in science classes.

I trust you are in good form.

Have you noticed that some of these anti-IDers have been smart enough to put me on Ignore so they can reassure each other without me rocking their cradle. I think their motive is to give the kids in schools lessons about what they know and nothing else so that they can mark all the exam papers and award all the diplomas on the grounds that the other "over 80%" are idiots.

Good innit?

The requirement for a theory yto be 'scientific' is testability and falsifiability. The claim the ID folks are making is that reasonable tests can be devised to determine whether life forms show unmistakable evidence of design.

On the other hand, when an ideological doctrine which masquerades as a science theory (evolution) has been repeatedly and massively disproven over a span of over a century and its adherents STILL go on as if nothing had happened, then the doctrine is clearly unfalsifiable and is clearly not scientific.

Go with it gunga. Propose a falsifiability for ID. Im sure it will be THE first. Evolution has tons of em as well as predictability specifics.

You gimme one and Ill match you . GO!

effemm smirks the smirk of self-satisfied, serene stupidity.

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3493185)
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It's called the "legal" system of any country.



spendi responded: That's just disingenuous.

You don't understand the meaning of "disingenuous."

Don't bet on it ci.

Oh, yes, I would. But there's nobody out there to defend you to make a pence bet.

Don't bet on that either.

Can't; there's no one in support of spendi.

Very fond of self-reassuring assertions aren't you ci? It's a marked characteristic in your stuff.

If you do that all the time I can see why you need to take all these journeys to find people to talk to like waiters and fellow habitual asserters supporting their self-esteem with all that bullshit everybody does with an audience that doesn't know anything about them. Then they come home and wash the foxed underclothes and peg them out and sit down in front of the Idiot Box reading travel brochures.

I don't even need support. What do I care about that? For you to mention it though suggests you think support important.

I still wouldn't bet on it.

spendi, You do have a thick skin. People have made suggestions to you to "leave" a thread, but you keep coming back.

In my life, support of family and friends are important.

People like you depend on a beer mug.

It's connected to family and friends. Beer in the shops is 1/4 the price in pubs. You're obsessed with me, along with the majority of Brits, going for a pint or two to bring another decent day to a fitting climax before flopping in the pit. 365 days a year. I don't keep leaving them. The Government encourages us to do it. Okay--some abuse it. Very few actually. But they show those few on the telly. It's an English institution. I would pass the roadside alcohol test.

The pub opens at 11am and serves breakfasts for passing tradesmen and other travellers and at 12 it goes to dinners for the locals who are too lazy to make their own up to about 4pm and then the blokes going home from work drop in for two or three to loosen up for the lovely wife who they have been thinking about all day and then around 8pm the late night crowd begin trickling in. By the time I get there its 10.45 and not long to go.

The way you bang on about it anybody would think I am mainlining junk every hour.

Are you a reformed boozer by any chance? They have to make themselves hate it to resist it.

I should have said that Sat. Night is music night. Live group. Wobbling bosoms and bottoms.

The first inkling I had of the looming recession was when I noticed a reduction in the number of wobbling bosoms and bottoms on Sat Night. I advised everybody to start selling. It's at least a year ago. I remarked about it on these threads at the time.

And that dwindling in numbers caused less wobblings with those who remained. As if large numbers of them in hot rooms, half-sloshed and the beat pounding gave them confidence. It stood out more and thus a concern for making a spectacle of themselves grew.

I think the recession began in March or April.

spendi, You are obsessed with yourself; otherwise, you would have heeded the many a2kers who have asked you to "leave."

You're at it again. I don't think you know you're doing it. You're the green-eyed monster to the north of Katmandu. Easy innit?

It's you who is always thinking up new things for you to do. I'm just swept along with the backwash. I'm suspicious of new things. I'm a conservative. effemm called me a Luddite.

Name them. This "many" A2Kers. Are you starting an A2K selection process under the command of this fantasy "many"?

"How could I forget somebody with a username like your's."

From what I'm told there's another Pragmatic around here somewhere so maybe I'm not the person you think I am.

"I assume you have not called in to inform us all that religion is not science and doesn't belong in science classes."

Don't assume. Only religious people assume. Scientists hypothesise. But in response to your assumption, I'm not informing you anything other than the perspective of scientists as to what they think is sicence. And I think scientists know best.

"Have you noticed that some of these anti-IDers have been smart enough to put me on Ignore so they can reassure each other without me rocking their cradle."

I don't even know where the ignore button is. From experience on FB I notice that usually ranters are blocked (the equivalent of ignore) so I'm guessing those who have "ignored" you have their reasons.

"I think their motive is to give the kids in schools lessons about what they know and nothing else so that they can mark all the exam papers and award all the diplomas on the grounds that the other "over 80%" are idiots. "

Although I see the point that the judge made when he awarded the case to the plaintiffs in the Dover school case, I have the say the parents who brought the action were extreme. The one minute statement was not to force the children to study ID and forget evolution, but merely to flag that there are other explainations. I hesitate to use theory because ID isn't a theory in the scientific sense, however students should have the academic freedom to learn about this and then prove or disprove by their own choice. The reason I agree with the decision however is because the action was brought on the grounds that the statement violated Establishment Clause which on the evidence, it did.

Okay. I'll hypothesise.

Should the experience of music be considered a mystical spirituality or a movement of the biological living organism which is beyond the reach of words? They played music in all the egg-laying batteries I've ever been in.

From the tone of your posts you rule out the mystical spirituality explanation.

So what is there left for you to say? And do you wish to say it?