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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 03:38 pm
farmerman wrote:
Hint: Huey Long missed going to prison.


That's only because another perennial favorite of the deep South, a mentally disturbed political opponent, shot the sumbitch first . . .

Dr. Weiss was the shooter, and one of those who openly acknowledged conspiring with him in the assassination stated that Weiss had drawn the short straw at a meeting just prior, and that Weiss "Would have killed Huey Long as he would a snake."

You can't beat Southern politics for the entertainment value . . .
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 04:01 pm
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Analysis: To evolve or not to evolve
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spendius
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 05:00 pm
fm wrote, in what I must admit is a very interesting post-

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There will be a series of lawsuits that test the very CONSTITUTIONALITY of the LAw just passed. You may take that to your bank.


I only ever take to my bank fm what my bank considers it appropriate for me to take and that is exclusivly either folding money or something that can be readily converted to it such as cheques, gold or deeds to land ownership. They are wary of bullshit and charge extra for dealing with it.

I think they would laugh at me if I attempted what you suggest.
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spendius
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 05:08 pm
Forget it wande.

It has spiralled out of control.

Your reports from the front line don't give the big picture.

They are sort of--"that was a loud one Cyril."
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spendius
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 05:35 pm
fm wrote-

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Ive lived there, and enjoyd it.I beleieve that youve only read about the state.I must say that Experience is a much better teacher than any "secondary sources"


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I challenge you to a debate about the politics, social structure, environment , geology ,and just about anything else about Louisiana or Nawlins , LAfayette, and BAton Rouge in particular


Now this dear viewers is very interesting and, as such, will have, I'm afraid, to wait until tomorrow. Assuming nothing untoward happens I mean such as a power outage, the residence gets on fire, a giant asteroid strike in the pub car park or my arteries clog up catastrophically.

Not for the undertaker. I didn't mean the undertaker. He'll be rubbing his hands with glee. As will those with the highest percentage of DNA commonalities to my own.

Why are there no female undertakers? I've only just noticed. Are the ladies being discriminated against again?

I really am slow on the uptake. Mr S. is right. Fancy me not noticing that there are no female undertakers when the fact jumps out at you once you think about it.

That might be more interesting than what I had previously said was very interesting.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 05:41 pm
Judge "Rocky" Alito has come out in hisa public speches in Philly to proclaim that this Supreme Court is Tired with the vast chasm between Church and State. Somebody may have to take the Supreme Xourt to Court.

Anyway,wansdel, Im worried a bit that much work may be slowly undone if several of these "Test cases" like La 733 may be setting up for just some Supreme Court tests.

I will move to Canadia if that happens, except I think at 58, Im getting too old for them to seek my precious bodily fluids
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spendius
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 05:54 pm
You're weakening fm.

I detect a quiver in that. Stirling Haydn notwithstanding.

Just wait until tomorrow. I'm gonna blow you away.

You're dead right though fm. At 58 it is best to just let it all blow by. When I was 58 I wasn't that advanced.

I'm using hindsight.
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rosborne979
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 06:34 pm
farmerman wrote:
I will move to Canadia if that happens, except I think at 58, Im getting too old for them to seek my precious bodily fluids

You have to retain your Purity Of Essence.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 07:05 pm
I don't know about purity, but sure would hate to see farmerman loose his essence.
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Shirakawasuna
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:04 pm
cicerone imposter: bodily fluids? You some kind of prevert?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:14 pm
Shirakawasuna wrote:
cicerone imposter: bodily fluids? You some kind of prevert?


I'm talking about the more common definition of essence such as heart, soul, spirit...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:14 pm
Besides, I'm not a poet like you!
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Shirakawasuna
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:30 pm
*cries*

I thought this was a Dr. Strangelove topic!
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Pauligirl
 
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Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:26 pm
Shirakawasuna wrote:
*cries*

I thought this was a Dr. Strangelove topic!


Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room
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spendius
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 03:07 am
In the course of searching Judge Alito I find that there are now 5 Roman Catholic judges on the USSC. A majority.

Is that correct?

Maybe my isolation is an optical illusion. I've been bullied behind the bike-shed.

From what I've read I see no chance of the USSC overturning the LA. bill.

I thought Dr Strangelove to be very naive. And Clockwork Orange.

Alphaville is a miles better movie.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 04:55 am
That is correct, spendi. Of the nine supreme court justices, five are Roman Catholic.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 04:59 am
LOVED THE STRANGELOVE INTERLUDE. Very Happy

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Dr. Weiss was the shooter, and one of those who openly acknowledged conspiring with him in the assassination stated that Weiss had drawn the short straw at a meeting just prior, and that Weiss "Would have killed Huey Long as he would a snake."



We cant forget Dr "ART" Vidrine , who did such an incompetent job at surgery on Long' s kidney that he brought on the septicemia that killed Long. Vidrine, was later accused of being an accomplice in the assassination, but was cleared by (it was hinted) by intervention from Roosevelt, who was not on Hueys christmas card list.


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From what I've read I see no chance of the USSC overturning the LA. bill.

can you share your insight?

As part of the vast CAtholic conspiracy, Im here to say that its all going with the plan. MWAH HAH HAH HAH.

Im not too sure about Thomas, the bastard is attending Episcopalian services now, he is obviously in an occasion of sin.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 08:45 am
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Could a McCain win impact evolution education?
(by Josh Rosenau, ScienceBlogs.com, June 30, 2008)

The Washington Post points out that: "…as justices finished their work last week, two overarching truths about the court remained unchanged: It is sharply divided ideologically on some of the most fundamental constitutional questions, and the coming presidential election will determine its future path. A victory by the presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, would probably mean preserving the uneasy but roughly balanced status quo, since the justices who are considered most likely to retire are liberal. A win for his Republican counterpart, John McCain, could mean a fundamental shift to a consistently conservative majority ready to take on past court rulings on abortion rights, affirmative action and other issues important to the right."

Among those issues is surely evolution education. Twenty-one years ago, the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana law requiring equal time for evolution and creationism. Last week, Louisiana passed another creationist bill - the leading edge of the next generation of creationist assaults on evolution, one designed to dodge existing legal precedents.

Should that law, or one like it, reach the Supreme Court, what would happen?

In 1987, the Court voted 7-2 to strike down the law. Scalia and Rehnquist voted to uphold the law. Since then, Rehnquist was replaced by Roberts (a wash), and the court gained conservative Justices Alito and Thomas (who is more conservative even than Scalia). Justice Kennedy, who voted against the Louisiana Bill, is now the crucial swing vote on the Court, and shows a disturbing tendency to waffle on key issues. Assuming he remains firm in his anti-creationism, though, we now have a 5-4 court if the same law were presented. A single McCain judge could overturn Edwards v. Aguillard.

Such a ruling would doubtless follow the template of Scalia's dissent in Edwards. In that dissent, Scalia and Rehnquist accepted at face value affidavits by creationists Dean Kenyon and others, who insisted (in the words of Scalia and Rehnquist) "creation science is a strictly scientific concept that can be presented without religious reference," and that therefore, "we must assume that the Balanced Treatment Act does not require the presentation of religious doctrine." The majority, by contrast, held that "The Act impermissibly endorses religion by advancing the religious belief that a supernatural being created humankind."

The majority also held that "The Act does not further its stated secular purpose of 'protecting academic freedom.' … the contention that the Act furthers a 'basic concept of fairness' by requiring the teaching of all of the evidence on the subject is without merit." The dissenters, by contrast, treated "academic freedom" as "students' freedom from indoctrination," a decidedly idiosyncratic definition which has no similarity to that used by AAUP. They felt that "t surpasses understanding how the Court can see in this [requirement that creationism be taught if evolution is presented] a purpose 'to restructure the science curriculum to conform with a particular religious viewpoint,' 'to provide a persuasive advantage to a particular religious doctrine,' 'to promote the theory of creation science which embodies a particular religious tenet,' and 'to endorse a particular religious doctrine."

To those who see the Act's references to "creation," and it's insistence on a 6,000 year old earth on which life was specially created, as straightforward evidence of religious influence, the dissenters argued that "The Act defines creation science as 'scientific evidence,' and Senator Keith and his witnesses repeatedly stressed that the subject can and should be presented without religious content." And that was good enough for them.

The majority (which might become a minority under a President McCain) found that not only was there enough evidence from religious statements by bill supporters to show a clear religious purpose in the law, they also ruled that "the purpose of the Creationism Act was to restructure the science curriculum to conform with a particular religious viewpoint," because "[o]ut of many possible science subjects taught in the public schools, the legislature chose to affect the teaching of the one scientific theory that historically has been opposed by certain religious sects."

Now is the time to act against this possibility. Aside from generous donations to NCSE, ACLU and Americans United, you should do what you can to see that we have a President who will nominate good justices, and elect a Senate that will not confirm bad ones.
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spendius
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 09:21 am
That's one begging box that I'm ignoring no matter how hard it is shaken under my nose.

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A single McCain judge could overturn Edwards v. Aguillard.


Do you mean to say that a few hanging chads in a swing state could cancel and annul Edwards v. Aguillard, that shibboleth of the legal-eagle anti-IDers which has been presented to us as set in stone if not quite carried down from the mountain top.

That there's as much chance of it being a passing fancy as there is of it not being.

I prefer less shaky grounds than that when I'm being a bit scientific. When a passing fancy becomes set in stone progress ceases. And if the quote is true E v.A is a passing fancy. Objectively.

Which is by way of suggesting that anti-IDers are a bunch of reactionary die-hards trying to cling to out of date jobs where little in the way of performance measurement takes place as their productions are peer-reviewed by those who also don't have their heads up their arse and that is deemed satisfactory.

They give science a bad name.

Send your contributions to your nearest orphanage.
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spendius
 
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Tue 1 Jul, 2008 10:28 am
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fm wrote-

Ive lived there, and enjoyd it.I beleieve that youve only read about the state.I must say that Experience is a much better teacher than any "secondary sources"

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I challenge you to a debate about the politics, social structure, environment , geology ,and just about anything else about Louisiana or Nawlins , LAfayette, and BAton Rouge in particular.


I said last night that this was interesting, and so it is.

Well- I haven't made any sort of study of La. I've seen parts of it on the telly and read a few things about it here and there. Anything of significance I tend to remember.

I have studied human beings though and I start by thinking about nearly 5 million of them in a hot environment subject to natural disasters and where most of them probably think, like the Scots, that their oil is being stolen by fat cats up north. And with a French tradition.

And during the Katrina episode, which I watched closely, they had their pants down. That's something many governments wouldn't allow.

How much of La. would you see living there for a while within a small circle of activity. Very little actually.

So I don't agree that experience is better than secondary sources. Experience has the capacity to engage the emotions and thus to distort the picture.

The KGB will have a North American Desk (Department) within which there will be a Louisiana Department (Desk). It also has a "Diplomatic Bag" ( A handy thing to have the Bishop remarked smirking slightly).

But to unmix my metaphor the DB will contain all the newspapers from the state which the specialist staff will study with some care. As a career from 8 till 5 with rests on the Lord's Day.

After a number of obvious studies of the words it will be measured in areas and weights looking for trends and who's up and who's down and what's going on where. It'll all be broken down and watched as an ongoing process.

A 20% increase over 10 years, say, in ads for ladies underwear is easily spotted and if that fact has been tracked by a similar increase in ads for torture equipment such as lawn mowers and Black and Decker workmates then it is possible to ascertain a pattern.

Who is at the wedding or who is captain of the Senior Girl's hockey team etc. It's all there.

Anybody looking at such a secondary source from a scientific point of view will know far more about La. than any visitor who was enjoying the experience. Way more. Off your radar fm.

It's coloured Red. 56-42 in 2004.

And it is a part of a group of red states with boundary integrity inside which there are no blue states which are themselves divided into two groups on the seaboards 2000 miles apart.

Your experience outweighs my present knowledge from secondary sources but not my future possible knowledge if I took the trouble.
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