Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

You keep using that word (meaningless). I do not think it means what you think it means.

spendius wrote:
From which I deduce that you think the writer of the Advocate Opinion is qualified to determine the education of 50 million kids in widely different circumstances. That would be mass artificial insemination by donor.

"I can haz idiotic straw man?"

It's quite depressing if you think about it .

I read quickly over Spengler, didn't spend much time.

Shirakawasuna wrote:

spendius wrote:

From which I deduce that you think the writer of the Advocate Opinion is qualified to determine the education of 50 million kids in widely different circumstances. That would be mass artificial insemination by donor.

"I can haz idiotic straw man?"

How so?

All hail, great master! grave sir, hail! I come
To answer thy best pleasure; be 't to fly,
To swim, to dive into the fire, to rise
On the curl 'd clouds--to thy strong bidding task
Ariel and all his quality.

Science or religion? Bill brings up debate again
(WWLTV.com, June 11, 2008)

A bill that some contend would allow discussion of creationism in science classes in Louisiana public schools is up for debate in the state House in Baton Rouge Wednesday.

The bill, referred to by proponents as an "academic freedom act," would allow teachers to promote critical thinking skills, logical analysis and discussion of scientific theories like evolution, the origins of life and human cloning.

"I think the intent of the bill is to give assurance to teachers and students that academic inquiries are okay," said Gene Mills of the Louisiana Family Forum. "It's pro-science, pro-teachers and pro- local control."

Critics say that latitude already exists in the science classroom. They contend it's an attempt to bring religion into the classroom and the ACLU says it is prepared to take action if the measure, which has the support of Governor Bobby Jindal, passes.

"It would make an impact in any classroom where a teacher brought in creationist materials to teach children that intelligent design is a scientific theory, or undermine the teaching of evolution," said Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana. "That's what this bill is designed to do, to get creationist learning materials into classrooms in the form of supplements."

Father James Carter of Loyola University is both a scientist and a man of faith. He says that creationism and ancillary topics are appropriate to discuss, just not in the science classroom.

"It's not science," he said. "Students are encouraged to think something that's bad science is good science in order to get an idea that belongs in the philosophy or religion classroom, but not the science classroom."

Legislators in six states have introduced similar legislation. So far, it has only survived in Louisiana and Michigan, where there is strong support for the measure.

Critics and supporters believe it will pass the House.

The need of university prestige enforces this high scale of expenses, and also pushes the members of the staff into a routine of polite dissipation, ceremonial display, exhibitions of quasi-scholarly proficiency and propagandist intrigue.

If these business principles were quite free to work out their logical consequences, untroubled by any disturbing factors of an unbusinesslike nature, the outcome should be to put the pursuit of knowledge definitively in abeyance within the university, and to substitute for that objective something for which the language hitherto lacks a designation.

For better or worse, there are always and necessarily present among the academic corps a certain number of men whose sense of the genteel proprietries is too vague and meagre, whose grasp of the principles of official preferment is too weak and inconsequential, whose addiction to the pursuit of knowlege is too ingrained, to permit their conforming wholly to the competitive exigencies of the case.

spendi, FYI, both the home and school has a) a place to study, and b) a place to dine.

House approves changes in teaching of science
(Associated Press, June 11, 2008)

BATON ROUGE -- The Louisiana House has agreed to a bill that would let science teachers change the way they teach topics like evolution, cloning and global warming in public school classrooms.

Senate Bill 733 by Sen. Ben Nevers, D-Bogalusa, would let teachers supplement school science textbooks with other materials when teaching. The House voted 94-3 for the bill Wednesday.

Supporters say the bill is designed to promote critical thinking, to strengthen scientific education and to help teachers who are confused about what's acceptable for science classes.

Opponents say the proposal is a veiled attempt to add religion to science classes and to challenge well-established science teachings.

The Senate already has agreed to the bill, but it heads back to the chamber for approval of a provision added by the House that would give the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education the ability to prohibit supplemental materials it deems inappropriate.

The Senate already has agreed to the bill, but it heads back to the chamber for approval of a provision added by the House that would give the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education the ability to prohibit supplemental materials it deems inappropriate.

LOUISIANA UPDATE (breaking news)

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House approves changes in teaching of science
(Associated Press, June 11, 2008)

BATON ROUGE -- The Louisiana House has agreed to a bill that would let science teachers change the way they teach topics like evolution, cloning and global warming in public school classrooms.

Senate Bill 733 by Sen. Ben Nevers, D-Bogalusa, would let teachers supplement school science textbooks with other materials when teaching. The House voted 94-3 for the bill Wednesday.

Supporters say the bill is designed to promote critical thinking, to strengthen scientific education and to help teachers who are confused about what's acceptable for science classes.

Opponents say the proposal is a veiled attempt to add religion to science classes and to challenge well-established science teachings.

The Senate already has agreed to the bill, but it heads back to the chamber for approval of a provision added by the House that would give the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education the ability to prohibit supplemental materials it deems inappropriate.