Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Shira wrote: This thread disagrees . He has overstated views, definitely, but he seems to be a man with some education but confused ideas who hides those ideas behind sloppy attempts at colorful writing.

Precise, accurate, on the number, and "bingo!"

The thread is about Intelligent Design. Dembski's ideas constitute approximately a third of the rhetorical support of the ID movement. Behe's are the other third, and this last third is a big mishmash of arguments from ignorance and propaganda.

Creationists on the State Board of Education must stop trying to undermine the teaching of evolution

What chance do Texas students have of competing in the 21st century if their learning of science is warped and stunted by such benighted leadership?

. . . however, he is a man of great insight and discernment.

and even the most rudimentary scientific principles underlying the "ID" scam

I didn't consult any of them for that little list though. You're projecting again S.

The thread title does not mention the "ID movement". You're playing with words.

But I can see why you bring it up. It is easy to attack. And it diverts attention from the atheist movement who are thereby freed from having to explain where they wish to take us as they focus on the truck loads of red herrings.

I sometimes think that this "movement", a word scientifically used by the medical profession for a reflex of the bowels, is a diversionary tactic by atheists. It looked like that in Dover.

That's a rhetorical non sequitur. Thus meaningless. What sort of editorial wallows in meaninglessness in its concluding sentence?

One word of praise from George is enough to more than cancel out the whole threadsworth of insults and asserted aspersions and that goes double for any that contain solecisms of this nature-

There are no scientific principles underlying what you refer to and especially not any rudimentary ones if we ignore the magnetic forces inherent in money.

And the rudimentary principles underlying the courts is that they are run and attended by human beings and not pieces of paper written when most Ameicans, a fairly small number at the time, were sod busting or land stealing using weapons developed in Europe and without which they would have had to resort to pointed sticks and bows and arrows and when 20 miles represented a major problem.

Further to that, the people who are involved in the court system bring with them certain attributes such as membership of a "circulating elite" or a penchant for axe grinding and troublemaking.

And you, Setanta, do not know what the pertinant issues are relating to foisting your atheism on the folks which is why you can allow yourself the luxury of thinking you are not ignoring them.

And the creationists can hardly be said to be "crippling" local school boards which seem to be thriving quite nicely in the glare of publicity.

I also think "crippling" is an inappropriate word to apply to such entities.

We will have to hope that your use of a blitz of unsupported assertions, which any fool can cobble together using cliches with very little effort, does not impress young people enough for them to begin thnking of emulating it because such methods, as I have explained before, represent a breakdown in communications and self evidently so.

Your use of them naturally implies that you understand the structure of the educational stystem, the court system and rudimentary scientific principles for otherwise you couldn't make your yelping judgments and I would take a chance at buying that bridge you like to mention with such originality than buying such a silly idea as that is.

My experience has taught me that miltant atheists decry Christianity because at some point they have become emotionally involved in a social behaviour which the Church condemns without reservation.

I wouldn't claim that all atheists are guilty of such despicable solipsism but the miltant ones, I fear, do protest overmuch and scratch around like an angry hen to bring out other justifications from wherever they can find them as they can then more easily persuade themselves that whatever it is that suits their convenience is right and proper despite the teachings of the Church.