Biology Professor Ken Miller has an essay in today's Boston Globe:
Quote:Trouble ahead for science
(By Kenneth R. Miller, Boston Globe, May 8, 2008)
AMERICAN science is in trouble, and if you wonder why, just go to the movies. Popular culture is gradually turning against science, and Ben Stein's new movie, "Expelled," is helping to push it along.
"Intelligent Design," the relabeled, repackaged form of American creationism, has always had a problem. It just can't seem to produce any evidence. To scientists, the reasons for this are obvious. To conservative Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, Intelligent Design is nothing more than a "phony theory." No data, no science, no experiments, just an attempt to sneak a narrow set of religious views into US classrooms.
Advocates of Intelligent Design needed a story to explain why the idea has been a nonstarter within the scientific community, and Ben Stein has given it to them. The story line is that Intelligent Design advocates are persecuted and suppressed. "Expelled" tells of this terrible campaign against free expression, and mocks the pretensions of the closed-minded scientific elite supposedly behind it.
There are many things wrong with this movie. One example: Viewers are told that Dr. Richard Sternberg lost his job at the Smithsonian Institution because he edited a paper favorable to Intelligent Design. Wrong.
Sternberg wasn't even employed by the Smithsonian (he had no job to lose), and had resigned as journal editor six months before the paper was published. In fact, the irony is that neither Steinberg nor any of the other people featured as martyrs in "Expelled" lost jobs as a result of their advocacy of Intelligent Design, while many others who supported evolution have. In 2007, Chris Comer, the director of science education for Texas schools, was fired for having done nothing more than forwarding an e-mail announcing a pro-evolution seminar.
The movie also uses interviews with avowed atheists like Richard Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion," to argue that scientific establishment is vehemently anti-God. Never mind that 40 percent of the members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science profess belief in a personal God. Stein, avoiding these 50,000 people, tells viewers that "Darwinists" don't allow scientists to even think of God.
Puzzled, the editors of Scientific American asked Mark Mathis, the film's co-producer, why he and Stein didn't interview such people, like Francis Collins (head of the Human Genome Project), Francisco Ayala, or myself. Mathis cited me by name, saying "Ken Miller would have confused the film unnecessarily." In other words, showing a scientist who accepts both God and evolution would have confused their story line.
Despite these falsehoods, by far the film's most outlandish misrepresentation is its linkage of Darwin with the Holocaust. A concentration camp tour guide tells Stein that the Nazis were practicing "Darwinism," and that's that. Never mind those belt buckles proclaiming Gott mit uns (God is with us), the toxic anti-Semitism of Martin Luther, the ghettoes and murderous pogroms in Christian Europe centuries before Darwin's birth. No matter. It's all the fault of evolution.
Why is all this nonsense a threat to science? The reason is Stein's libelous conclusion that science is simply evil. In an April 21 interview on the Trinity Broadcast Network, Stein called the Nazi murder of children "horrifying beyond words." Indeed. But what led to such horrors? Stein explained: "that's where science in my opinion, this is just an opinion, that's where science leads you. Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place. Science leads you to killing people."
According to Stein, science leads you to "killing people." Not to cures and vaccines, not to a deeper understanding of nature, not to wonders like computers and cellphones, and certainly not to a better life. Nope. Science is murder.
"Expelled" is a shoddy piece of propaganda that props up the failures of Intelligent Design by playing the victim card. It deceives its audiences, slanders the scientific community, and contributes mightily to a climate of hostility to science itself. Stein is doing nothing less than helping turn a generation of American youth away from science. If we actually come to believe that science leads to murder, then we deserve to lose world leadership in science. In that sense, the word "expelled" may have a different and more tragic connotation for our country than Stein intended.
Good piece, to the point and accessible to the world. It does what Stein cant do. Miller makes his assertions backed by real evidence.
What's the point of that wande?
We've done it all before. Years ago. Why do you keep returning to the same old stuff. What does the Boston Globe have to do with this debate anyway? One man makes the decision to commission an article in order to fill his white space. So what? The Prof. must be able to do that trite stuff in his sleep by now. Is he short of money? Shouldn't he be doing some science?
Why is he helping to publicise the movie? And he is doing. It's like those articles (essays) complaining about all the strip-clubs and prostitutes in a certain area which cause an influx of customers.
This mania, as it seems from here, where this matter gets only the slightest attention, stems from the self importance of the protagonists. They wind it all up for no other reason than to have something self-important to spout about. They are actually spouting about themselves. Intelligently designing themselves a career away from the laboratory. More status you see. Easier to get too.
This mania for the universal practical application of pure reason and rational critical thinking,(PRARCT), a child of the French Revolution, is not necessarily a good thing. And jumping in with both feet here and now for 300 million people is very likely to be a bad thing.
There are alternative viewpoints although if you put your head in a bag everytime you come across one,as you do, I suppose it's understandable you might not think so. And you AIDsers do precisely that. A scientist would find you lot defending his chosen discipline toe-curlingly embrarrassing. Turning away from alternative considerations as if they don't exist for the sole purpose of continuing to plough the same furrow over and over is anti-scientific in spades. It's starting to look like repetition syndrome.
If American science is in trouble you need look no further than that for the cause. Popular culture is not turning away from science at all. To say it is is unscientific. Miller must think he is addressing fools.
There are so many alternative viewpoints and no matter how confusing
they are they do scientifically prove one thing and that is that there is, as a fact of life, a strong demand for them. The only other choice being PRARCT for 300 million. And where there is strong demand there is supply and in competition. That's a child of the Reformation.
And does Miller apply PRARCT to himself? He scrapes his face with a razor and shapes his facial hair in a pretty pattern which one presumes he feels enhances his dignity and sexual allure. "Goodness gracious me!!" Vanity puts forth its visage in Miller photo. And he has a pretty wife/partner. He also has a tame horse and we all know what horses are for and what Lord Birkenhead said about their owners.
Miller is for PRARCT when it suits him and not at any other time. He's on the make. Naked ambition is written all over his physiognomy.
How can a scientist ignore the obvious fact that there's a strong demand for alternatives to PRARCT even if there are no alternatives, as long as you're a professor I mean? How can he ignore the obvious fact that once out from under the discipline of Rome the demand will be met by anybody who can identify a rewarding niche in such a market.
Whatever segments of that market each "ministry" caters for, or panders to, and however far-fetched the claims of each, one constant chord that is always struck is not the atheist one. PRARCT OUT!!
What we get in this market over and above the mish-mash of confusing dogma is the mission bell, the wedding bells, the funeral dirge, the Buddhist gong, the Shinto tinkles, the Hindu finger-dance music, the muezzin's song, the hymn of praise and rejoicing, the jungle drumbeats.
The atheist chord is Alban Berg demonstrating how the most refined and beautiful instruments the world has even known sound like in the hands of atheists and PRARCTers. I presume Berg is a satirical metaphor for what life will feel like under perfect PRARCTerism and PRARCTerism is perfect by definition. Once you start backsliding it becomes a style choice. As it obviously is for Miller. That shines through his prose.
As Matthew Arnold said- " Here an Englishman is in his element: on this theme we can all go on for hours." And so we can.
It is one thing to have "ideas" and quite another to translate them into practice within a fantastic organic creation such as the good ol' U ess of Hay within which 300,000,000 eating and shitting machines are gradually evolving by dint of a most extraordinary series of random happenings. So extraordinary that I fear a simple example might make you all jump.
(Let 'em jump. Ed.)
Okay. I myself am the result of a revolving door incident in a fairly posh hotel entrance during which the contents of my Mother's shopping bags were scattered about a bit as a result of my Father's clumsiness whilst being 3 times over the limit and he was only in the town because the football team he supported had been drawn out of a hat containing 15 other names of football teams and his team's name only made it into the hat as a result of some extraordinary refereeing in the previous round, two missed penalties, and an own goal. And that was only the first of a long series of happenings as can be gathered from the fact that the subsequent courtship lasted three years and they were married 18 months when I, their eldest, appeared in the world bright eyed and bushy tailed. To say nothing of the scramble to be first to the egg.
And she began by shouting at him and belabouring him with her handbag which she had not let go of in the scuffle.
And you lot have that to thank for this post, and all the others, because if he hadn't calmed her down and sweet talked her like he did I wouldn't be here at all. I would have dried out on a handkerchief or a paper napkin.
Had that been Miller's fate it wouldn't have mattered. Somebody else would be filling his post and mouthing off infantile, dumbing-down dross in the Daily Arsewipe.
I'm irreplaceable.
fm wrote-
Quote:Good piece, to the point and accessible to the world. It does what Stein cant do. Miller makes his assertions backed by real evidence.
Cor blimey fm!! Turn it up mate. This is showbiz. The viewers want a laugh. Or at least a smile. They don't want to feel that they have to nod their heads in solemn argreement with such pompous blather as that.
You're completely besotted with the idea that there's nothing going on that you are not fully appraised of. That there are no hands that can deceive the quickness of your eye.
Oh boy oh boy!!
I see, you've taken writing lessons from Calvin and Hobbes, spendius:
Hey fm--
Aren't all the rocks on the earth the same age?
What's a rock? It's a word. When you divide it up into all its component parts and give all the segments funny names, which sound good to wide-eyed worshippers of exotic words in mixed cocktail party settings, like proterozoic and archaean and hadean, the pre-cambrian being yesterday's warmed overs, isn't it really, when you get down to basic science, just a job creation scheme. Surely can-can girl's knickers were rocks once in what Darwin called the unimaginable vistas of time. Combinations anyway.
It's a form of hypnotism. Funny words being associated with money and funding and jewels and pressies on Valentine's Day and other religious occasions. Anniversaries for example.
I should imagine that holding forth on the Quatermary sequence would render any target weak at the knees. For a while at least. Until the trap was sprung.
Oy, so you go and look up geologics ages,(Which have nothing to do with rocks makeup) then you scramble them in no particular order and think that your saying something profound??
Maybe to your sotted friends. They probably look at you in awe (unless theyve passed high school equivalencies), Then I imagine they call you out as the fool that you are.
Have you drunk away the evening (or early AM as it must be by now). If you are awake then its because youve not drunk enough to pass out, youve only drunk enough to become confused, as your post clearly demonstrates.
I spent an hour reading Origins this morning and it's bloody infantile. No wonder it's popular.
I know now why one of the blokes Charlie sent an inscribed copy to reported that he laughed all the way through it.
The explanation for the gaps was due to the hopeless inadequacy of the fossil record.
That's like when some lady explains that she is descended from Cleopatra.
dont try to think too hard on things that you dont understand there old bulbous nose, your head may split open and all the tapioca will run out.
fm-
I have curtailed my input of what scientists call "alcohol" tonight because I have to rise tomorrow before 10.00 hours due to factors associated with greed and self agrandisment.
I understand . Youve got to at least appear that youre looking for work in order to continue receiving the dole.
Did the parole officer jibe begin to pall fm so you got your creativity into gear and replaced it by something even wittier.
It's a poor do when your wit gets on your own nerves after a few hours.
During the course of what actually happened my greed was given a boost by catching an American driver of a builder's merchant's truck going my way empty. A guy from Vermont who has lived here 6 years and married a local lass. He thought baseball the most boring game on earth.
He had no plans for returning home.
I gave him £40 ($80) for about 30 minutes inconvenience.
and I should care about all of that story because?
I was merely setting the record straight a little in case any young viewer thought I was waiting for my parole officer or looking for a job or had passed out, as you had suggested fm, any or all of which might have been allowed credibilty without my correction.
so which one was it really? did you have a meeting with your parole officer? Did you appear like you were job hunting so that you could collect welfare? or, as you stated (I certainly didnt) that you had passed out?
These kinds of information are quite valuable to our young readers (you only seem to care about your "virtual personna" rather than than presenting anything of actual scientific fact).
You're floundering again fm.
Nothing I say has scientific validity. I could be making it all up. Just entertaining myself pulling your chains.
I don't even have scientific evidence that you cleaned seafood out of the bowthrusters of your boat or that you have the ugliest dog in Pennsylvania. Or even that you have a boat. Or a dog.
You could even be pretending that you are a big cheese and that you have the slightest interest in what goes on in the classrooms of the nation.
Spendius:
Quote:Nothing I say has scientific validity.
Or merit.
Or insight.
Or
Joe(never mind, it's not worth the time)Nation
Joe (I'm Solomon) wrote-
Quote:Spendius:Quote:
Nothing I say has scientific validity.
Or merit.
Or insight.
Or
Joe(never mind, it's not worth the time)Nation
But you found time Joe. Not that you used it to much effect or bothered deploying any originality but you did find the time. There's no arguing with that. The evidence is right there.
Shouldn't readers here be allowed to make up their own minds upon these matters without having to suffer to await your guidance. Suppose you had gone on holiday. By your own efforts you are suggesting that they wouldn't know what to think.
Why are you contradicting yourself and in the twinkling of an eye?
I think you just ran out of ideas and even that is stretching things a lot. It might be that you can't recognise merit and have closed your mind to insights that are not your own.
You just want to be seen on A2K's most prestigious thread even if it is only by dint of a back row raspberry.