Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

MISSOURI UPDATE

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Stein stumps for state education law change
(Chad Livengood, Springfield News-Leader, April 4, 2008)

Call Ben Stein the conservative Michael Moore.

"We've been troubled by the stranglehold Darwinism has had on academic pursuits," Stein said Thursday at a news conference in the state Capitol.

wandeljw wrote:

MISSOURI UPDATE

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Stein stumps for state education law change
(Chad Livengood, Springfield News-Leader, April 4, 2008)

Call Ben Stein the conservative Michael Moore.

"We've been troubled by the stranglehold Darwinism has had on academic pursuits," Stein said Thursday at a news conference in the state Capitol.

Yes, it's very troubling when reality has a stranglehold on your views. But tough sh*t, reality wins.

I never thought much about Ben Stein. The highpoint in his career was as the teacher in Ferris Bueler. When he begins his preaching and wanders into swamps with which hes not familiar, I agree with set that the IDjits are secretly hoping he will shut his gob. Hes making all the wrong statements that IDers have been trying to downplay these many years.

Lumping all those issues and tying em to Darwin is unwise at least. I never thought that Ben STein was stupid, but I now can be convinced otherwise.

Brooker, 24, of Springfield, spoke at Stein's press conference. In Springfield, she had refused during her senior year to sign a document endorsing homosexual adoption as part of a classroom assignment. The social work department sanctioned Brooker for what she says was failure to adopt the ideology of her professors. She settled her case with MSU out of court and the social work department has since been restructured, with many of her former professors being reassigned to other areas of the university.

Stein called Brooker's story "appalling."

The "reality" I am trying to get you to discuss are those "controversial issues". And specifically those relating to sexual selection which is the point at which all those changes you talk about in the abstract take place and the powerhouse of evolution theory.

The sperm banks are already in this business but the social settings in which young people are meeting, including school classrooms, also provide evidence of sexual selection to anybody with ordinary vision.

You lot go through this stuff merely trying to score points all the while assuming that these kids in the higher grades will remain innocent of these matters just because you supposed "realists" draw your Victorian veils around them like the good little Christians you all are.

And parading yourselves as realists doesn't make you realists in fact. Get real on that subject.

And get real on what Mr Stein is up to. He is rounding up an audience for his April 18 debut in 1000 theaters. Getting Expelled talked about in the right circles. It's a business proposition. And by bringing it on here you help his publicity machine.

With such naive sweetness on display I hardly think you are qualified to discuss evolution theory except on your own terms.

Considering we are half a century on since Kinsey and not much less since Masters and Johnson your reticence is endearing. And with psychoanalysis being the atheist's confessional it is tweeting with it.

Which of evolution's productions, past and present, ever diverted the semen from its proper channel or poisoned its effects or ripped out the effects with grabbing implements other than mankind? What would be the situation if mankind decided after hearing Mr Darwin's theory that it was betraying its animality by engaging in such perversions of nature and may have to pay the price in health terms. As Freud famously said, civilisation causes sickness. It is well known what type of patients Freud treated. Why did Mr Mailer say that planned parenthood was an evil?

Talk about gravity and algebra or flying spaghetti monsters and poofism is for little lads. It's pretending to be in a debate when you are not.

Realists my Auntie Fanny. It's the Christian theologians who are the realists. Hence their vows.

You just take advantage of "delicacies". What possible delicacies can exist for an atheist realist? What is an "unmentionable" to such a person.

Ever read about Gaugin in his heathen paradise? Too busy reading the Daily Guff I suppose.

Religion does funny things to people's ability to think rationally; it's poofism gone wild.

spendi, I dare you to take this post of yours to the nearest university that teaches biology, and ask the professor to grade what you wrote.

c.i. wrote-

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spendi, I dare you to take this post of yours to the nearest university that teaches biology, and ask the professor to grade what you wrote.

I don't play dare games c.i. and I advise you not to.

You take my post to where you want but if you follow your advice to me let me know what your "professor" thinks.

I would be interested.

He does even worse in attempting to link a theory of evolution to the Nazi holocaust. That's Godwin's Law writ large--on a national scale.

Settin' Aah-aah wrote-

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He does even worse in attempting to link a theory of evolution to the Nazi holocaust. That's Godwin's Law writ large--on a national scale.

Can nobody mention Hitler without you jumping in squealing about Godwin's Law.

Hitler was a most important historical figure. People are entitled to have a view about how his policies were incubated and justified. It's as if you are trying to protect the shithouse's reputation.

An argument isn't lost because somebody mentions him. That's a conceit of your's. It's no law at all. It's a lie.

You sound like one of those footballers who screams "Foul" everytime he falls over.

Just talk c.i. Off topic.

I'll look after my own enlightenment. You look after your own.

Argue with the post instead of blathering about taking off to be graded by some jumped up twit like that lot who had to be dispersed out of the way quite justifiably.

You are just trying to bang a drum to avoid responding.

You must think we are all stupid. And everybody knows what that means.

most of what you claim are hogwash.

CI

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most of what you claim are hogwash.

That was about as graciously as you could have put it, even though it was a world class understatement. Kind of like saying: most of the ocean is wet.

spendi, You're the one that keeps crying this is a "science" forum, so how does Hitler fit?

....we are henceforth scientific Communists or--whatever MacDonald and Snowden (I might have added Kerensky) now are.

It was a little bit of a shock to find that when it came to the point, they discovered that they were not socialists at all.