Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Oh no. I'm not having that. Legislation can never be a demon. You were fear mongering like fm with his turtle and like you do about American science going down the tube and you becoming a third world country as a result.

Everybody who seeks power invents scare stories.

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No, spendi, I was demonizing a poorly thought-out piece of legislation.

But "poorly thought out" is an assertion all of your own making. Your statement makes no sense without an explanation of why you think it "poorly thought out". Not allowing us to consider any explanation is totalitarian to its core. We might easily think you haven't one and are relying on your booming authoritarian voice to force your will upon us all.

It's pretty unscientific really without guns and tanks backing it up.

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Should I pay any attention to anything spendi comes up with? He seems totaally disconnected with how things work.

CI-funding for the enforcement of that pocket of hockey pucks would, of necessity bring out the "special interests" and the "advocacy" groups. I wonder how the District Court case would be filed, under the"endorsement" rule ?.

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spendi on a response to wandels point

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Your statement makes no sense without an explanation of why you think it "poorly thought out". Not allowing us to consider any explanation is totalitarian to its core. We might easily think you haven't one and are relying on your booming authoritarian voice to force your will upon us all.

Deal with it spendi, youre just trying your normal evasion by aversion tactic. I think that youre probably the only one whose dimmity and density are coequal units.

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Spendi is mostly disconnected with reality. It comes from trying to mask psychosis with alcohol.

Unfortunately the next wave will be an attack on physics and chemistry. I have noted that each year more and more science students are required to take remedial math and science classes just to be able to handle freshman and sophomore science classes. The positive side is more and more American industry just brings in foreigners to fill the gap and Washington turns its head on visa limits; last year to the tune of at least three times the sci-tech (H-1b) visas as (supposedly) allowed by law.

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fm wrote-

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Should I pay any attention to anything spendi comes up with? He seems totaally disconnected with how things work.

That represents a subtle shift.

It used to be "I don't pay any attention to spendi: he is disconnected with how things work."

BTW- "totaaly" is tautological. Partially disconnected is ridiculous.

I have a pretty good idea of the social dynamics of the circulating elites being discussed and you only fitfully, and grudgingly, allow them into your mental albumen when you are trying to sound like a man of the world. They are second nature to me. That where I start.

Like Yossarian said--"What's shithead up to now?"

Minderbinder must be an idolized icon to materialists.

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fm-

Will you explain what-

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No, spendi, I was demonizing a poorly thought-out piece of legislation.

means without any explanation of why the legislation is "poorly thought out". Are you saying it is so on wande's word? It does assume that the people who drew up the legislation are not as clever as you and wande. Or stupider if that sounds better?

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If I was a serious AIDs-er I would make sure I distanced myself from people who assert that A2K debaters are "psychotic".

The use of such things is hardly original, especially in junior girl's schools, and have been studied scientifically in linguistic analysis and in psychological settings of one sort or another.

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You should all thank me for my attacks on your strong tendency to assert.

Without checks on that sort of thing you can easily have it run away with you and end up asserting that you are Napoleon and strutting about giving out orders.

For the tendency to get as bad as it has you must have spent your lives in the company of inferior beings.

With my dimmity equating with my density, as with Einstein or anybody else for that matter, I have spent my life in the company of superior beings. How not if I'm so dim and dense as I've been asserted to be.

Maybe that explains why we are not on the same wavelength. I allow for my dimness and density, I can float in the sea easily, Whereas you cannot help being high flying intellectuals because everything you assert is true so whatever topic you happen to be on about you have the greatest wisdom concerning it as a matter of clean cut logic. You are infallible.

I'm going t'tut pub to talk to some dimmies and densies.

"Poorly thought out" my arse.

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spendi again

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Will you explain what-
wandel
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No, spendi, I was demonizing a poorly thought-out piece of legislation.

means without any explanation of why the legislation is "poorly thought out". Are you saying it is so on wande's word? It does assume that the people who drew up the legislation are not as clever as you and wande. Or stupider if that sounds better?

Asked and answered dearest spendi. Get back on the short bus if you cant understand the statement. Do you only read one post and then concentrate on acquiring an answer to one of your dumass questions. And then you will cry that noones paying any attention to your questions.

Its not that people are ign oring you (although, theres still something to that). Its just that youre questions are formed at a K-3 level.
LOOK IT UP IF YOURE SO OBTUSE.

PS youre not doing youre self promotion any good by "Not getting it". If youre just playing a sshole and are truly not one in reality, thats just as dumb. .
I agree that its time for your infusion of Porter.

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fm wrote-

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Get back on the short bus if you cant understand the statement.

and this was the statement-

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No, spendi, I was demonizing a poorly thought-out piece of legislation.

Where's the short bus? It looks like I should be on it. I don't understand the statement without an explanation of what "poorly thought out" means.

All legislation is "poorly thought out" from the totalitarian point of view because it takes a range of views and vested interests into account, due to extraordinarly complex considerations, whereas a totalitarian viewpoint
only takes into account its own.

It's called egomania in scientific circles.

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FLORIDA UPDATE

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Storms Tries To Put Evolution Up For Vote
(By CATHERINE DOLINSKI, The Tampa Tribune, March 4, 2008)

A Senate committee chairman wants to hold a hearing on a proposal from Sen. Ronda Storms to allow public school teachers to contradict the theory of evolution in class.

Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Fort Walton Beach, chairman of the PreK-12 Committee, said he hopes to schedule a hearing during the session on Storms' evolution proposal. Rep. Alan Hays, R-Umatilla, confirmed Monday he will file the bill in the House.

But the plan faces plenty of resistance from lawmakers in both parties, who say they are loath to rewrite the teaching standards that the state Board of Education passed last month.

Storms, R-Valrico, filed the "Academic Freedom Act" on Friday to protect K-12 school teachers who present "scientific information relevant to the full range of scientific views regarding biological and chemical evolution in connection with teaching any prescribed curriculum regarding chemical or biological origins."

The proposal comes from activists who failed to convince the state Board of Education to adopt the language as part of the state's new science standards. Board members voted to mandate explicitly the teaching of evolution, which they agreed to qualify as a "theory." They did not, however, include any special provision for teaching alternative theories.

Like the proponents who testified before the board, Storms said her goal is to protect academic freedom and promote critical thinking - not to spread a religious belief about the origin of life.

"It has no provision for intelligent design or Creationism in it," Storms said of her bill. "It provides for academic freedom for the full critical review of the theory of evolution so that people can honestly debate it. And so our students can be presented with all sides of the issue, without fear of attack or their teacher presenting them with one dogmatic view."

In the bill itself, she specifies that it "shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion."

Opponents aren't buying it. They continued to deride the plan Monday as religious indoctrination disguised as scientific inquiry.

"Why not just say 'academic freedom' to cover all subjects?" said Brandon Haught, spokesman for Florida Citizens for Science. "Why choose evolution only? It's so transparent, it's ridiculous."

Senate Minority Leader Steve Geller, D-Hallandale Beach, said he was reminded of his high-school days, when he took part in a production of "Inherit The Wind," Jerome Lawrence's and Robert E. Lee's fictionalized drama about the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial in which a Tennessee teacher was tried for teaching evolution.

"I never thought I'd be in the Florida Senate in the 21st century, still having the same debate about evolution," said Geller, adding he hopes Storms' bill, which he called "divisive," never gets heard in committee.

But Gaetz said the issue merits a hearing, given the intense public interest around the state. A former superintendent and school board member, Gaetz is no stranger to church-and-state issues in education. In 1997, he called for an investigation that eventually led to successful litigation over religious evangelizing by a local teacher and assistant principal.

"I don't want teachers to use their positions as public employees to inculcate their own particular religious views," he said. "I do think it's appropriate in a high-school classroom for a student to draw out students in debate and discussion of questions about science, history, government or religion."

Terry Kemple, president of the Valrico-based Community Issues Council that is backing the proposal, said there is a dearth of concrete evidence supporting Darwin's evolution theory and teachers should be free to discuss that.

Geller called the anti-evolution arguments "pseudo-science."

"I don't care if they say this is 'science,'" Geller said. "You may find a few quack scientists who say it is, but it isn't."

House Speaker Marco Rubio, R-West Miami, told the Florida Baptist Witness newspaper last month that there may be enough votes in the House to pass the evolution bill. But Schools and Learning Council Chairman Joe Pickens, R-Palatka, said Monday he doubts that.

"The state Board of Education held public hearings; it's their job to do what they did," he said. "My expectation is that there isn't a great deal of appetite to go in and undo what the state Board of Education did in their purview, under their authority."

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wandeljw wrote:

FLORIDA UPDATE

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Storms Tries To Put Evolution Up For Vote
(By CATHERINE DOLINSKI, The Tampa Tribune, March 4, 2008)

Like the proponents who testified before the board, Storms said her goal is to protect academic freedom and promote critical thinking...

Neither of which are in question, or at risk, with the current system.

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... not to spread a religious belief about the origin of life.

Bullshit. Pure and simple.

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http://lumq.com/wp-content/images/animals/blobfish_2.jpg

I forever thank the Lord that I am an Englishman. So unlike these uncouth and tactless serviles of the colonies. THey know nothing of the trevails of Empire. As Spengler would have said....Oooh dear,
"Pardon me, Ive just pooped myself"
No matter, more will soon be formed and Ill have my stream of consciousness again restored along with my colonic exhudations.

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Compare that production of evolution to Aphrodite emerging from the waves.

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well, one point is that this fish, whose similarity to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental, is real. Aphrodite, on the other hand, was merely a masturbatory illusion of some randy Greeks.

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Not at all. Life imitates art. ID art I mean.

Botticelli ancient Greek eh?

Without the great painters of ID modern women would still look like the Willendorf. The greek depictions had to be dug out of landfills.

Are you a Puritan fm? Are you making another invidious comparison between yourself and Dr Kinsey's findings?

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rosborne979 wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
FLORIDA UPDATE

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Storms Tries To Put Evolution Up For Vote
(By CATHERINE DOLINSKI, The Tampa Tribune, March 4, 2008)

Like the proponents who testified before the board, Storms said her goal is to protect academic freedom and promote critical thinking...

Neither of which are in question, or at risk, with the current system.

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... not to spread a religious belief about the origin of life.

Bullshit. Pure and simple.

Is it also bullshit when refusal to even acknowledge that millions of people do believe in ID is interpreted as anti-religious prejudice?

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It only means that those millions who believe in ID are hopelessly brainwashed.

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It's odd how blurting out "Bullshit. Pure and simple." stands in for having nothing to say about the two quotes I provided from Genesis.

When AIDs-ers want to concentrate on floods instead of those, and there are others in a similar vein, it's obvious that they haven't any scientific interest in the Bible and just use an allegory they have happened to have heard about to express their prejudices.

And they had no comment on the Jack and the Beanstalk reference either.

There's not much to be Abled 2 Know about in "Bullshit. Pure and simple."

It's ironic that those AIDs-er ladies in the press and on the school boards are creations of ID in every way they think and look. Blanket coverage.

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Foxfyre wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
wandeljw wrote:
FLORIDA UPDATE

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Storms Tries To Put Evolution Up For Vote
(By CATHERINE DOLINSKI, The Tampa Tribune, March 4, 2008)

Like the proponents who testified before the board, Storms said her goal is to protect academic freedom and promote critical thinking...

Neither of which are in question, or at risk, with the current system.

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... not to spread a religious belief about the origin of life.

Bullshit. Pure and simple.

Is it also bullshit when refusal to even acknowledge that millions of people do believe in ID is interpreted as anti-religious prejudice?

The bullshit of which I speak, has to do with these people pretending that their motivations have nothing to do with trying to spread a religious belief about the origin of life.

The courts have determined that ID is a smokescreen for creationism, and frankly it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see exactly where these people are coming from. They have a religiously motivated objection to evolution and they are acting on that religious motivation to attempt to undermine the teaching of evolution in school science classes. The first amendment stands as our defense against bullshit like this.

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