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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 10:06 am
Lola wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Steve...

...I would caution against characterizing "the unknown" as "the unknowable."

We can be sure it is unknown...but we really don't know if it is unknowable.

"Perhaps unknowable" works...but "the unknown" has a certain elegance.


Yes, but Frank, do we know we don't know........are we sure? If we can't know, or don't, how do we know we don't know? It's unknown or so you say in your authoritative way. Or are we conflating the "unknowing" and the "unknown?"

Personally, I don't care who believes or needs to believe or not to believe in ID as long as it's not taught as science in any state supported science classroom. ID is religion, not science. Everybody but the unknowing knows that.


Yes.
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Ethel2
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 10:51 am
un-huh
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 11:30 am
Lola-

There's a difference between teaching ID "as" a science and teaching the science of it as a cultural phenomena.
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 11:33 am
wande wrote-

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For me the only relevant jurisdictions are academic ones.


Would you restrict the areas of academic jurisdiction in any way?
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 11:38 am
good question, spendius

i would compartmentalize academic subjects at the elementary school and secondary school levels
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 12:03 pm
Now wande-you know I didn't mean anything so easy to deal with as that.Would you restrict the academic approach to those areas you don't find personally challenging or would you let the beasts roam free.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 12:37 pm
i would want children to learn important basics at the elementary and secondary level

by "compartmentalize", i mean science should be taught as science, religion as religion, etc.
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blatham
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:06 pm
psst....turn to R.S. Peters
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:30 pm
"Somewhere in the distance he heard a faint bell ring."

Doctor Rifleman-a cult song.


wande-define important basics if you will.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:33 pm
spendius:

R.S. Peters, Ethics and Education (London: George Allen and Unwin, 1970), 163n:
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It might reasonably be argued that literature and poetry, for instance, are developments of a dimension of awareness of the world, while other arts, like music, may be creating, as it were, another world to be aware of. The latter would, therefore, be more like games than like science or history.
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:46 pm
Quote:
Quote:
It might reasonably be argued that literature and poetry, for instance, are developments of a dimension of awareness of the world, while other arts, like music, may be creating, as it were, another world to be aware of. The latter would, therefore, be more like games than like science or history.


No wonder it's a faint sound.I consider that statement not only meaningless but also likely to mislead the unwary.

Wande,my good man,I am trying to pin you down on how much your socialisation influences your thought as it does the IDers.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:52 pm
spendius,

i was sure that quote would make you happy. that peters guy even talks like you.

(as far as my socialisation.........both of my parents were teachers.)
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:15 pm
wande-

Are you trying to say that I have proved that my own contributions are meaningless and likely to mislead.

What was that Dylan line-slipping and sliding like a weasel on the run-something like that.

Are you foisting me off AGAIN!!.Is your socialisation the same as that of someone in N Korea who has two teachers for parents.

BTW-Accept my condolences.I have rather a low opinion of teachers I'm afraid.In general I mean.I had priests and they were not so bad.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:34 pm
spendius,

a child raised in north korea by two teachers would probably have similar thought patterns as i do.

r. s. peters expresses himself in a similar manner (that's all i meant by that).
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 03:18 pm
How about two teachers in a school that did ID?Or The Great Leader or an institute of technology.
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blatham
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 03:32 pm
Sorry to throw Peters in at you guys there. One of my education profs steered me in his direction when I was doing my degree. But that is all a huge and separate conversation. Please pardon me.
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:00 pm
Now you know why Faberge eggs are works of art.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Sep, 2005 03:14 pm
Quote:
Nobel Laureates Frown on Curriculum Plans


LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) -- Thirty-eight Nobel Prize laureates asked state educators to reject proposed science standards that treat evolution as a seriously questionable theory, calling it instead the ''indispensable'' foundation of biology.

The group, led by the writer Elie Wiesel, said it wanted to defend science and combat ''efforts by the proponents of so-called intelligent design to politicize scientific inquiry.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/science/AP-Evolution-Debate.html
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Steve 41oo
 
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Fri 16 Sep, 2005 03:22 pm
I am really puzzled by all this anti scientific cr*p.

What are they trying to show? That the world is flat/oblong/invisible ?

What are they trying to gain??

Seriously what is the point of denying that which over many painstaking years we have decided upon as fact?
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spendius
 
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Fri 16 Sep, 2005 05:00 pm
Steve-

Who exactly is this "we" you refer to?
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