Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

I'd advise investing in the truth and stop peddling you BS around like you're enlightened.

Here's some advice.

Don't post BS and not expect to be called on it. Even if you don't think you are posting BS, you'd better be ready to defend every word of what you write.

You obviously aren't equiped with the intellect required. Go back to the pub, and continue to NGAF.

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On another thread, someone addressed spendi in the following manner

Which was an assertion and that's all fm needs, as proved by his last post, to find the truth.

TKO works the same seam.

There are introductory psychology texts which explain the derivation of the process.

fm gave evidence of thinking that Ricky Gervais is funny due to seeing him perform a spiel about The Bible which he thought suited his position.
That's a variant on the above.

When asked to say whether he thought Mr Gervais was an IDer or an anti-IDer on the routine he linked for us he failed to answer.

Actually you never see English comics on telly. The best English comics don't go on telly because their material is unsuitable to those who decide what can and can't go on telly. It has to be PC you see. Like in Russia.

It's a problem with all media that is available to all age ranges, all classes, all racial groups, all sexual proclivities of the officially sanctioned types and all religious persuasions.

The comics who go round doing gigs in pubs and clubs are another matter altogether and no cameras are allowed.

The "measurement problem" again- what you see is what you want to see and if you are careful enough you need only see that which you already approve of. You can easily apply that principle to the fossil record.

The resultant image is similar to what you see in a mirror. You see yourself. Over and over and over. Anti-science. It's basking in your own reflection.

I notice that spendis "contributions" get increasingly more panicky and strident as the seasons change and we enter the dark months of the year. SInce UK is in a more Northerly latitude than my post in South Central Pa. , I wonder whether or not hes merely suffering from S.A.D. and is striking out with his computer keyboard.

Id like to propose that we make him a research topic, a Virtual "guinea pig" and make notes about how he reacts to the changing light levels and durations.

Itd be all nicely scientific and all that.
NAAAH, maybe Ill just go have a waffle.

Spendi - Back this up or shut up coward.

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fm wrote-



Gee fm- your assertions are getting more complicated.

As a veil to hide you failure to answer any points it is on the floor around your ankles at which point you are supposed to perform the bottle trick or we want our money back.

Was Mr Gervais attacking The Bible or defending it and atacking the nervous laughter of the audience and the causes of it.

fm-

Are you recommending that anti-IDers don't vote for Mrs Clinton now that she has announced she is a churchgoer in the light of what anti-IDers are on the record as saying about such people?

What , specifically , do you propose cannot be accounted for by an Intelligent Designer, Deist?

Evolutionists have often claimed that there is some evidence that 'only evolution explains'.

But they've never been willing to post such. I wonder if you are.

fm wrote, on another thread-



Here we go. When challenged on the same issue of "who's on the take" from the anti-ID coalition,and who are its puppets, there's silence.

fm has one principle for his pet theory about gun ownership being restricted to those approved of by his Party and another for another of his pet theories.

rl

The interrelationship of all the evidence. That is- chemical, physical, geological, and biological can only be explained by evolution. How do you refute that? Try to extend your posts to something beyond snappy but content-free bumper stickers .


Have you been out searching for any Devonian woolly mammoths lately RL?


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spendi, please stop being a total a*hole and refrain from dragging other posts into this discussion. I only brought up what was said about you because youd already been posting quips from other threads and thats ill mmanners.
If you dont stop , I will begin quoting other threads wherein people of all kinds have expressed frustration at your fevered contributions.

Get some help old girl.

fm wrote-



I was only following your example from a little earlier fm-



The bullet proof, darkened windowed limousines with the traffic cleared out of the way to enable them to speed to their dachas with motorcycle escorts to keep them protected are merely a matter of time if anti-IDers get their hands on power and if it isn't obvious to anyone from the above exchange then I suggest they re-enter the educational process at the introductory stage.

Look fm- your threats are meaningless. You can post what you damn well like as far as I'm concerned. Even if I could stop you I wouldn't.

You get some help you silly old fool.

I can read onthestreet without feeling faint and I'll bet you daren't even look at it.

You believe in monogamy don't you and ages of consent. I do too but I'm not a anti-IDer. I can't see any way for an anti-IDer to believe in such twee concepts as those.

Ha, Devonian Mammoth That's a good one.

Let's add precambrian sparrows, silurian snakes and triassic cows to that search list for RL, just to give him a chance

They are for the infant's Sunday school class ros.

Try Wives and WAGS and Footballer's Wives TV. Those things you mentioned can be tamed or shot or caged.

Jut search Google with "SEX" and study the portraits in the galleries.

I asked what those bits of rag are for in Baywatch. Why don't you answer that or are you frightened of finding some gaps in your philosophy.

Aftr all they do exist. They are an "effect" scientifically and effects have causes. And scientists are supposed to study that relationship without fear or favour and without bias.

They are not only worn as well. They have to be designed and manufctured and distributed and taxes paid on them. Right under your nose.

Do you focus on mammoths to distract yourself. Mammoths have nothing to do with the Christian psuedomorphosis,

Are those little string bags and triangles, some I've seen with little messages printed on them, intelligently designed?

'Reminds me of a Bevis and Butthead episode wherein they were complaining about numbers

" Yeah, like theres too many of em" eh heccchhh heccchhh hecchhh

On the matter of believing in miracles, a well known physicist recently asked whether it is a miracle that the Universe, that gigantic clump of whirling stuff, has produced a being which can study it and measure it and try to make sense of it.

And we do put a lot of effort into trying to make sense of it.

But the only way we have so far found to do that that satisfies our yearning (proved by the effort) is to conceive of a God because if we don't do it means that our yearning to make sense of the Universe will wither and our Culture with it.

The Ancient Greeks had no such yearning. Their science was about measuring real things in a real world of the here and now. No other culture that I know of exhibits this yearning of ours in any degree and in our culture it dominates our lives.

Pythagoras was run out of town and persecuted along with many of his followers.

He had conjured up irrationals you see. Deadly to their system and the powerhouse of ours.

When Science has made sense of the Universe, which is considered next to impossible by all real scientists and Darwin himself, who wasn't really a scientist in our sense at all, we can then dispense with God but if we dispense with God before that far away most remote possibility, we risk losing the yearning because making sense of the Universe looks such an impossible task and the moreso when we arrive at "Flavoured Quarks", which we have, and our Science would then fade away and become a thing of the past rather than what it really is which is a thing of the future.

Anti-IDers are the potential turning point. They are the beneficiaries of the efforts to satisfy this yearning caused by conceiving of one ultimate intelligence, a blasphemy to Pagans and a capital offence, and they think, in their overweening egotistical arrogance based on reading a bit in Scientific American and watching a programme or two and their understandable desire to escape the discipline of ordered existence, the latter being the strongest factor in the mix, that we can dispense with God before Science has made sense of the Universe without losing the yearning to make sense of it which has brought us our fantastic success.

Spoilt little rich girls do that with Daddy's rules and have been known to ruin whole family traditions and wealth in the process besides giving everybody a very bad headache.

Anti-ID is easy like the girl's desires are easily understood. It certainly isn't science in any known Western, Faustian manifestation.

In their fatuous claim that religion will ruin American science, a bald assertion with not only no evidence to back it but plenty of evidence to prove it is bullshit, they may well be engaging in another "projection" of their own felt sense of that being precisely what they are seeking. We do know what obsessive projectors they are. Every anti-ID post speaks volumes on that score.

They argue, if one could call it that rather than blurting out self-reassuring noises, from a position of the strength of Science, and trust in it, built up over hundreds of years by scientists, who would be appalled at their stupidities, and who were driven by no other motive than our yearning to make sense of things, to inhibit this yearning and remove its very powerhouse, which is God, our God, long before they have even touched the outer rims of making sense of it all, and they scrabble in the muck looking for old bones and have fantasies about mammoths and snakes and birds and cows which their Ancient Greek way of thinking allows them to believe, again self-reassurance, that they are scientific persons while, in actual fact, they haven't one single scientific cell in their whole body unlesss we all accept their definition of science.

Which I don't. Anti-ID is a religion. It is the religion of the ego and it is thus natural that its adherents are pessimists, arrogant, sloppy,stubborn, dictatorial, devious, lazy, projectors and, in the end, believe that might is right as their pet theory demonstrates.

They represent to me the beginning of the end of Science as we know it.

Well then thank god you won't be around to see that spendi.