Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Well you're probably right about the fakes. Its just the people I know who trade in them would not risk their professional reputations by selling a fake. So long as you buy from reputable dealers, you're probably okay. There's always an exception to just about everything though. Personally, though they are fascinating to me and I have enjoyed learning about them, I don't find them particularly attractive and own very few of my own. What I have were given to me.

As for fakes, I suppose it is possible, but I think the pros are all pretty good at knowing what they are looking at, and professional integrity I would think would discourage any cheating.

You dig in really little bitty pieces when you're excavating a site. We photographed and catalogued the stuff we found or dug up, but I don't think anybody ever kept any of it. Most or all of it was turned over to the universities and/or their adjacent museums.

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BTW fm-- are there any fossils of infant animals?
tons

I predict that your lambchop bone wouldnt make it past a second year sedimentary geology student.

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BTW fm-- are there any fossils of infant animals?
tons

That's only natural fm. There's tons of candles burning as we speak in churches and cathedrals all over the world.

What I was meaning is that would it be possible to take a sheep feotus from an abbatoir or vetinary practice fossil made in an oven with carbon dated dust powered in and prove that sheep descended from mice and learned to baa pitifully and wag their tails when at pap at a later stage.

At least the leaders of christian churches are hardly boring.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_re_us/preacher_paternity_2;_ylt=AgQGLa36k01yWpStcHhMIcQE1vAI

When Obama announced his candidacy for president, his background entered the fray. Though it appears that he is not held to task on his religious affiliations by the mainstream media, it does re-surface. Let's explore some recent events that may shed light on Obama's veiled religious affiliation.

In December 2007, the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) bestowed its highest social achievement award upon Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam. This was facilitated through the church's publication Trumpet Magazine and presented at their end of the year awards gala. The award dubbed the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet" Award is named after the head pastor that married Barack and Michele Obama nee Robinson...........

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens," says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old.

"Everybody may not agree with
him, but they listen...His depth on analysis when it comes to the
racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening. He brings a
perspective that is helpful and honest."...........

The above glowing terms, by Rev. Wright, is for a man that has claimed racial superiority and leveled hateful remarks towards Jews, whites, and homosexuals.............

Farrakhan the so-called minister called whites "blue-eyed devils", referred to Judaism as a "dirty religion", and Jews as "blood suckers." He continues to claim the U.S. government is "the enemy" and continues to make veiled threats against America........

What kind of church honors a man with a bigoted and hateful agenda? The Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), lead by the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr..........

Obama has been a member of TUCC for 20-years and his pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

According to an article by Manya A. Brachear of the Chicago Tribune, Obama says Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

He even thinks that the universe is 6,000-10,000 years old.

In theory, one can also trace human ancestry via a single chromosome, as a chromosome contains a set of genes and is passed down from parents to children via independent assortment from only one of the two parents. But genetic recombination (chromosomal crossover) mixes genes from non-sister chromatids from both parents during meiosis, thus muddling the ancestry path.

However, the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is immune to sexual mixing, unlike the nuclear DNA whose chromosomes are shuffled and recombined in Mendelian inheritance. Mitochondrial DNA, therefore, can be used to trace matrilineal inheritance and to find the Mitochondrial Eve (also known as the African Eve), the most recent common ancestor of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway.

Mitochondrial Eve and the most recent common patrilineal ancestor of all living male humans, known as Y-chromosomal Adam, have been established by researchers using tests of the same kinds of DNA as for two individuals.[4] Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived about 140,000 years ago. Y-chromosomal Adam is estimated to have lived around 60,000 years ago. The MRCA of humans alive today necessarily lived more recently than either.[2]

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Depending on the survival of isolated lineages without admixture from Modern migrations and taking into account long-isolated peoples, such as historical tribes in central Africa, Australia and remote islands in the South Pacific, the human MRCA was generally assumed to have lived in the Paleolithic period.

However, Rohde, Olson, and Chang (2004)[3], using a non-genetic model, estimated that the MRCA of all living humans may have lived within historical times (3rd millennium BC to 1st millennium AD). Rohde (2005)[5] refined the simulation with parameters from estimated historical human migrations and of population densities. For conservative parameters, he pushes back the date for the MRCA to the 6th millennium BC (p. 20), but still concludes with a "surprisingly recent" estimate of a MRCA living in the second or first millennium BC (p. 27). An explanation of this result is that, while humanity's MRCA was indeed a Paleolithic individual up to early modern times, the European explorers of the 16th and 17th centuries would have fathered enough offspring so that some "mainland" ancestry by today pervades even remote habitats. The possibility remains, however, that a single isolated population with no recent "mainland" admixture persists somewhere, which would immediately push back the date of humanity's MRCA by many millennia. While simulations help estimate probabilities, the question can be resolved authoritatively only by genetically testing every living human individual.

Other models reported in Rohde, Olson, and Chang (2004)[3] suggest that the MRCA of Western Europeans lived as recently as AD 1000. The same article provides surprisingly recent estimates for the identical ancestors point, the most recent time when each person then living was either an ancestor of all the persons alive today or an ancestor of none of them. The estimates for this are similarly uncertain, but date to considerably earlier than the MRCA, according to Rohde (2005) roughly to between 15,000 and 5,000 years ago.[5] [2].

Darwin's theory makes sense, though, only if humans share most of those viral fragments with relatives like chimpanzees and monkeys. And we do, in thousands of places throughout our genome. If that were a coincidence, humans and chimpanzees would have had to endure an incalculable number of identical viral infections in the course of millions of years, and then, somehow, those infections would have had to end up in exactly the same place within each genome. The rungs of the ladder of human DNA consist of three billion pairs of nucleotides spread across forty-six chromosomes. The sequences of those nucleotides determine how each person differs from another, and from all other living things. The only way that humans, in thousands of seemingly random locations, could possess the exact retroviral DNA found in another species is by inheriting it from a common ancestor.

what amazes me is that, based solely upon the number of posts that spendi has extracted from his fevered mind, he has attained the status of "guru in training" . There oughta be a test.

The test, FM, is whether a person is able to produce an endless stream of anti-intellectual remarks with scatterings of pure nonsense without losing the flexibility of his typing finger.

According to RL humans were "created" along with everything else at about the saem time that the planet was cooling ......I can see everybody dancing around going "OW OW OW ".

RL likes to make these connections.

The test, FM, is whether a person is able to produce an endless stream of anti-intellectual remarks with scatterings of pure nonsense without losing the flexibility of his typing finger.

RL: Human DNA also contains huge areas of what we thought was junk DNA but is now known to be as the remnants of the endogenous retroviruses we have fought off as a species or by the species which proceeded us, some of those viral fragments are millions of years old.+. Surprise.

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Darwin's theory makes sense, though, only if humans share most of those viral fragments with relatives like chimpanzees and monkeys. And we do, in thousands of places throughout our genome. If that were a coincidence, humans and chimpanzees would have had to endure an incalculable number of identical viral infections in the course of millions of years, and then, somehow, those infections would have had to end up in exactly the same place within each genome. The rungs of the ladder of human DNA consist of three billion pairs of nucleotides spread across forty-six chromosomes. The sequences of those nucleotides determine how each person differs from another, and from all other living things. The only way that humans, in thousands of seemingly random locations, could possess the exact retroviral DNA found in another species is by inheriting it from a common ancestor.

Joe(The common ancestor wasn't that bishop though, although it appears he has been quite busy.)Nation