Get the pages passing by. That's the trick. Questions you couldn't answer out of sight. You'll be asked them again though.
Here's another.
What is the story about Mr Dawkins being "incandescent and unmollified" and accusing the world famous scientist E.O. Wilson of being a "total, unmitigated, barefaced" liar all about?
Perhaps some of the scientific personnel on this thread might explain, in socio-biological terms of course, the consequences of the nice, family oriented "kin selection" theory of Mr Dawkins and those of the "group selection" theory of Mr Wison which I gather derives from a study of ants.
Also, why is this row generating so much heat?
Which of you anti-IDers are Dawksies and which are Wilsonians. Fasten your colours to the mast lads.
I think it might be an important issue for your side. It is bad enough being a small and much villified minority but being split as well is a disaster.
The Sunday Times report on the row, which is entirely in keeping with what I detect as an anti-Dawkins crusade by the Murdoch group of companies, asserts that the "group selection" theory was "rigorously suppressed" in the '60s and '70s.
How and why did that happen?
Mr Wilson has now come round to "group selection" after being an adherent and promoter of "kin selection" and the "selfish gene" idea for which the invention of "kin selection" was necessary to accomodate itself with the facts.
Wilson has been spending much of his time with organism sized populations of colony animals like ants and bees, where the genic complement is bestowed by a single "mother" so in a sense hes right. Now, I dont know much about the genetic diversity of individual ants in a colony.
Relax, theyll work it out without bloodshed.
Oh--I'm relaxed fm.
Don't you bother about that. Much too relaxed I'm often told.
It's these eminent scientists who don't look relaxed and you yourself are obviously not very comfortable having to resort to blustering of that barrel-bottom order.
Anybody else? fm sits on fence.
spendi wrote: Oh--I'm relaxed fm.
Don't you bother about that. Much too relaxed I'm often told.
The wonder of his daily trip to the pub.
That's right c.i.
I've noticed how tense people are who fail to carry out that simple and enjoyable procedure and it's free too if you understand economics properly. And you meet people and hear all sides to every argument. Sitting at home or engaging in contactless sociability fossilises your prejudices.
It's agonising talking to people who are always on their best behaviour.
You might as well be talking to a gatepost.
spendi said
Quote:Anybody else? fm sits on fence.
then, he said
Quote:You might as well be talking to a gatepost.
I'm noticing a theme. spendi wanted to be a an American cowboy. Why did that take me so long? All that's missing in the above is a big brim hat and a gelded mare. It's dusk, he's rolling his own in the dim light reflected off the cactus to his right. A gunshot!
Another load of flim-flam.
I'm noticing a theme too. And the violence turns up on time as well. Bushwhacker style.
Quote:the dim light reflected off the cactus to his right
Sheesh!!
Is there a tacit understanding between candidates and journalists that the atheism question is not being mentioned in the campaigns. One might have thought that the school boards wande has introduced us to would be very interested in the matter. Them not being opens up some interesting lines of thought as does any tacit understanding.
Anyway- two down. Anybody else?
I wanted to be a Bell X2 pilot.
DINO HALL REMODELEnough of the vapid spendi speak. The CArnegie Museum has updated its dino hall by featuring its collection arranged stratigraphically sequentially (Chinle, Morrison, Hell CVreek), and with dinosuar fossils arranged so as to more accurately interacting with their environment.
The display will be completed Spring 2008 but the link gives a cursory look at whats up in Pittsburgh.
farmerman wrote:DINO HALL REMODELEnough of the vapid spendi speak. The CArnegie Museum has updated its dino hall by featuring its collection arranged stratigraphically sequentially (Chinle, Morrison, Hell CVreek), and with dinosuar fossils arranged so as to more accurately interacting with their environment.
The display will be completed Spring 2008 but the link gives a cursory look at whats up in Pittsburgh.
That link is an email address FM
Try it again. As usual, I didnt stop and read my post to correct the myriad of typos and missing words. Mine opens to the Carnegie Page where it has an introductory statement of the exhibit
''You wanna piece of me?" Seems we can "adopt a bone". I know which bone I want named after me :wink:
fm wrote-
Quote:Enough of the vapid spendi speak
That's rich after failing to answer any of the points raised in my posts about the Dawkins/Wilson fiasco or any of the other salent points I've raised.
Vapid is you lot. Chicken as well. CLUCK!CLUCK!
And viewers can't possibly fail to notice.
Dr Strangelove must have been a "group selection" fanatic.
Lean back and breathe deeply spendi, andyoull calm down. I dont want you to have a stroke ole fella. Youre probably just a bit hung-over and this has led to "fluxions"
You're living in fantasy land fm.
Is that really all you can do? It's bloody girly stuff.
I've just watched extended highlights of the Australia/India Test Match during which I nodded off for half an hour.
Breathing normally all the while, not in the slightest hung-over, as calm as calm gets and nowhere near any fluxions.
Anti-IDers obvious mental blank on the "kin selection" v "group selection" theories bodes ill for what traces of credibility they are still clinging onto which is evidently the rather thin skin on their teeth.
They are in disarray and I haven't even got the big guns out yet. And I'm on my own playing a team of crocks and it's no sweat. I'm simply too well educated for them.
It's clear they have been relying on a cowed audience all their lives.
Underestimation of others is the one consistent theme they have demonstrated throughout this thread's course and they want to determine educational policy for students at least half of whom are more intelligent than any of them are.
I'm off to watch a cup-tie shortly from the comfort of my sofa. It would be a compliment to say that you're all intellectually bankrupt.
Quote:They are in disarray and I haven't even got the big guns out yet.
OZ called spendi, They want their wizard back.
I hated that movie. So plein-air. So Renaissance. So un-Gothic. So un-Faustian. So backward looking. So Ancient Greece. Such a dead end. So jolly.
No wonder kids like it. All presence and here and now.
It's not like watching Dylan all dressed in black with his hat over his eyes playing Tombstone Blues on a dark stage with a background like a twilight in a cathederal and distance fading into space signifying direction and future.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/83
Reducible complexity right at the school board's red nail-polished fingertips.
"Look out kid, they keep it all hid."
We know these arguments from each side wande like we do the bloody roads around our residences. That must be the hundredth time at least. Maybe the thousandth. I've not been counting.
One thing science prides itself on, and rightly so, is moving forwards.
Have you nothing to say on Mr Wilson's lecture. Have you any idea what he was talking about. Do you know what "group selection" theory actually is. Do you know what "kin selection" theory actually is.
Or do you support Mr Dawkins just because he's a professed atheist which none of the candidates in the election are.
Imagine a science techer who, on being asked a question by a student, starts reading out the telephone directory. That's a bit like your position I'm afraid.
Do you really think you have anything to say on the future of education policy for 50,000,000 kids when you can only keep reading out mantras which are themselves a type of fossil and cannot even try to answer any of the questions I have asked or respond to a post of a 20 minute speech by an eminent scientist on biology.
I shouldn't think any of the people mentioned in your report have even heard of E.O.Wilson or know that there's a split in your camp on the "group selection"/ "kin selection" problem or even know what the dispute is about or why it is of significance.
And you failed to make hay with the info I gave you of the upcoming Dawkins gigs in the Bible belt (so called) which suggests you are not a very enthusiastic member of your team. I would have thought you anti-IDers would be organising a Welcome Committee for Mr Dawkins. Play it right and you could be on telly or at least get your names in the papers.
Better still, once all the hog wash is boiled down, the intelligent design position confesses a belief in the supernatural. So... The real question is, do we want supernatural teachings to be a part of school curriculum's? If so, them what about teaching Wiccan alchemy in chemistry? What about teaching the Numeral Mayan "end of time" theory in Mathmatics? Or how a supreme being created everything that exists?
Once the schools of the country allow the teaching of the supernatural, what then? Sounds like your advocating the same type of supernatural indoctrination that continues within the Muslim curriculum.
Either way, I'm pretty uncaring really. I've been through the system utterly skeptical of anyone that is able to stand up and say "this is how it is, why cant you see it?", evolution has holes, religion has holes, the only thing I can be sure of is that every supernatural ideology, or scientific theory that relates to pre-history or the future has holes, so why even bother contemplating either when they have no impact on the here and now.
So... Should schools teach Supernatural theories, or should the supernatural be left in our religious institutions?
