Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

spendius wrote:

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That was all gone into in the early stages of the thread. How can you have a school which inculcates Christian values in which there is an anti-Christian science department?

You would discredit the school. It can't be done.

The vast bulk of a school's students don't need evolution science. Evolution science in schools is a stalking horse for the secularisation of society. That's why the battle rages. We know the ultimate objective. And we know the nature of the coalition pursuing it and their reasons.

It would presage a return to Paganism unless you eradicate the need for religious sensibility. And that need seems to be built in to humans in the mass. Education for the masses is a very new idea. Teething troubles are to be expected and there are reputations to make.

Fine, then you'll also have to wipe out Christmas trees, Christmas presents, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, video games, etc.

The secularisation of society is not limited to evolution in the science classroom.

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Heyup--

Mr Dawkins is on his third wife, an actress called Lalla. She played Romana in Dr Who.

That explains it.

And he is reported to be teaming up with Mr Robin Wight, the man behind some of Britain's most memorable advertising campaigns, (The future's bright, the future's Orange), for a series of gigs in the Bible Belt which aims to make it respectable to admit to being an atheist. He's coming in February.

They are looking for a new name. Godforsaken should fit the bill if that's respectable or can be made to be by some slick talking.

The gigs are being organised

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by a charitable foundation set up by Dawkins in the US to push his agenda after a year-long struggle with the tax authorities.

The Sunday Times. I have noticed numerous sneering references to Mr Dawkins in the Murdoch papers. Nobody survives the disapproval of the Murdoch stable.

Rather him than me. I would have reservations about going down that way handing out $20 bills.

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Hominids have been around for millions of years. Homo sapiens sapiens has been around for a minimum of 50,000 years, and perhaps as long as 100,000. Organized religions are not known to be older than a few thousand years.

Religion is the innovation--and a very nasty innovation it is. Untold misery, deceit, murder, rapes, lies, wide-spread slavery and racism--yes indeedy, religion does wonderful things for society.

Spurious is a f*cking idiot, in love with the sound of his own pathetic voice.

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map wrote-

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Fine, then you'll also have to wipe out Christmas trees, Christmas presents, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, video games, etc.

I hope you don't mean me. I'm on the other side map. I like those things and a lot else besides which would also be at risk.

You are the one trying to do that. Not me. I'm trying to stop you from wiping out all the best things in life.

Had that not been clear?

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spendius wrote:

map wrote-

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Fine, then you'll also have to wipe out Christmas trees, Christmas presents, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, video games, etc.

I hope you don't mean me. I'm on the other side map. I like those things and a lot else besides which would also be at risk.

You are the one trying to do that. Not me. I'm trying to stop you from wiping out all the best things in life.

Had that not been clear?

I'm not trying to wipe out anything except the forced participation in our public funded arenas.

If you are against the secularizaiton of society, which is what I thought I read, I may be wrong, then you WOULD be against these things since the origin of what I've listed IS secular and pagan. I'm sure you know this.

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Setanta wrote-

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Spurious is a f*cking idiot, in love with the sound of his own pathetic voice.

That's the authentic voice of the know-all when stumped.

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map wrote-

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I'm not trying to wipe out anything except the forced participation in our public funded arenas.

It is the coalition I speak of which is trying to force evolution science (which it won't be anyway--it will just be the tame bits that the ladies of the school boards can get their heads around), into public funded education and against the wishes of a large majority of the American population. It's a wedge to force Christian values out and it's easy to see why those who have been married three times, or those who participate in other activities Christians disapprove of, are in favour of that.

Very easy.

BTW- Do you think Mr Dwkins would have been married three times or be in dispute with the tax authorities if he was a fork-truck driver or a table swabber in a diner. Run the logistics of three marriages through your head for a rich and famous chap. Not very complimentary to ladies is it?

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Setanta wrote-

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Religion is the innovation--and a very nasty innovation it is. Untold misery, deceit, murder, rapes, lies, wide-spread slavery and racism--yes indeedy, religion does wonderful things for society.

Untold misery, deceit, murder, lies, widespread slavery and racism were no doubt all a daily occurence before organised religion took the case in hand. I don't know about rape. I understood they were matriarchal societies so I doubt rape was of much significance within a society though it might have been on raids.

Setanta obviously does not understand historical pseudomorphoses and the difficulties in overcoming the effects.

Anyway-he said he didn't read my posts or respond to them.

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BTW Setanta-

What's your objection to "rapes"? An evolutionist would surely see rape as a process of ensuring the strongest genes survive surely.

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If the benefits of a functioning society outweigh the benefits of no society, society will flourish. Not because of a specific evolutionary advancement, but because humans are risk averse. We don't like to lose things, and if we see our inclusion in society is valuable, we won't risk it unless we think the benefit outweighs the cost. In fact, studies have shown that in many cases, humans won't take a risk until the expected benefit is double the expected loss.

Back in the "good old days" when women were blamed for every divorce, society stopped caring about them for some reason once they got a divorce. Among these women, the rate of rape was much higher, because men knew they could get away with it and not get caught.

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Ms Germaine Greer, a professor these days, went into battle with the cry "All men are rapists" and a lot of feminists agreed with the arguments she used to support her assertion.

From Wiki

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Spousal rape is non-consensual sexual assault in which the perpetrator is the victim's spouse.

Spousal rape is also called marital rape and often wrongly conflated with partner rape or intimate partner sexual assault (IPSA). Because there is a widely held view that a man or woman surrenders consent upon entering a marriage, the law has been slow to criminalize this form of sexual assault. It is now a crime in most parts of the Western world, but exemptions still apply in some places; for example in some places marital rape cannot be prosecuted if the couple were living together at the time of the assault.

Due to popular stereotypes of "real" rape, it is often assumed that because spouses have been sexually intimate, forced sexual intercourse in marriage is not as traumatic as rape by a stranger. However the research of Finkelhor and Yllo (1985) and Bergen (1996) found that victims of marital/partner rape suffer longer-lasting trauma than victims of stranger rape. One reason for this is thought to be the lack of social validation that prevents a victim from getting access to support. Domestic violence services have made inroads in addressing this problem.
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Definitions are in order and change from case to case.

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Page 1300! Wow!

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wande, my dear-

Could you explain the difference to us between 1299, 1300 and 1301 from a scientific perspective and leaving out any magical, incantatory, shamanistic, mystical or vodoo significancies.

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Wande is being premature in his exclamation. I dont believe he gets the free plane tickets until 1500 pages. Thats what I seem to recall in the TOS.

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So they are just as superstitious then?

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farmerman wrote:

Wande is being premature in his exclamation. I dont believe he gets the free plane tickets until 1500 pages. Thats what I seem to recall in the TOS.

Wow.

I'd be happy with a double scoop of black walnut on a waffle cone at Baskin Robbins. Cool

I didn't know we got anything for starting a thread. You guys been holdin out.....................And here I've been boosting your threads all this time........ Sad

Some thanks a guy gets.............

And I just did it again, didn't I?

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You've not been around on here all that much. Not enough to start talking about boosting the thread. You have gaps in your contributions.

Maybe in those gaps you don't read the thread as well so you might have missed some vital post or other which I won't have on account of the fact that to do so necessitates having to be continually going round in circles which I presume will end up in the USSC as a climax to a lawyer's feeding frenzy and a free ride for the guardians of our freedom which is all very well if you like that sort of thing which, unfortunately, I don't for the reason that this sentence has not the space to explain as it has now run of of steam.

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farmerman wrote:

Wande is being premature in his exclamation. I dont believe he gets the free plane tickets until 1500 pages. Thats what I seem to recall in the TOS.

Yes, that's correct. At 1300 (referred to in the TOS as the "lucky" thousand) Wande gets a blow job from whoever posts immediately following his.

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