Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

I hate cranberry juice and cranberry sauce and bloody turkey as well.

I have just discovered that the expression "taking the piss" is not used in the US as it is in England due to it's reference to the "little boy's room" which we call "the bogs" or the "khazi" or "piss-stone".

It is odd though how TCR invents his teleological theories exclusively for those who oppose the drive to secularism.

Prominent supporters of that drive have used the word "shite" either on its own or as a suffix a lot more times than I have used the expression from which TCR diagnosed my state of health.

But does he suggest they have problems with bowel function?

I claim unfair bias and victimisation which cannot possibly be allowed in a Science forum. Except as an admission of defeat. It is understandable psychologically though in that respect.

Actually as you'll recall I told you in a previous post I wasn't the one who had diagnosed your "issue" it was a psychiatrist on a clinical study team. If it helps you to overcome your victimization, he was a catholic who happened to be married to a jew whose brother is a rabbi. Is that ecclesiastical enough for your irreducibly complex 'problem'? If the thorazine gives you the 'shuffles' try Geodon. I'm here for you buddy.

Look TCR.

You are here for yourself.

Just like I am. I would prefer it if you were "here for" me in a similar manner that I am "here for" you.

Heck, we're all here for "everybody." It's what a2k is about.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS and a HAPPY, HEALTHY, PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.

You've been giving elderly ladies too many driving lessons c.i.

Doesn't do any good; my tires are all worn.

I, and I am sure many others, wish you would stop trolling in the science forum when it is clear you have nothing meaningful (or in fact coherent) to add.

Doesn't look like I, or you, are gonna get what we want.

I'm here for ya buddy. Hope you feel better soon.

TCR-

It's pretty safe to say that we could all do with feeling better.

What's this obsession with medical conditions and stuff. "Diagnosed", "psychiatric team", "clinical", "thorazine", fake concern on top of "feeling better".

If you would care to look at the forum you will soon see that I am its mainspring and if the mods are happy with my posts, as I assume they are, I don't see what you are whining about.

I don't see anything coherent nor meaningful in your few posts but I don't complain. I don't even see those qualities in your username.

Why don't you "be there" for someone you can do something for instead of dreaming up things about me that aren't happening? The only thing I know about my condition is that I'm getting on a bit, like most of us on this thread, and if you can do something about that I'm sure we would all be glad to hear about it.

Why not tackle the subject of the thread?

TEXAS UPDATE

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And divorce and lies and theft.

But one does have to bear in mind the high value of those things to media, the legal profession, certain businesses and interfering busybodies who love the lot.

There's nothing like amorality for dramatic stories, long drawn out court cases, investigation experts, social workers, prison warders and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all whose crocodile concern is the only thing between them and having to get a proper job.

I know my questions are never answered but could you tell me wande if any of the presidential hopefuls of any colour have declared their atheism yet. If this thread is typical of American thinking one might think they would be falling over themselves to do so.

Maybe the thread is not typical. Maybe I'm the typical one.

There's an article by an American in one of our papers, a long article, which suggests that Mr Obama is the only one who might heal these dangerous divisions.

Ive included the application for admissions to the Masters program (Masters of what?). Within it, the application flat out asks for your wroldview. Its not exactly value neutral. I would suggest that it be part of some dIvinity school not, as it implies, a science program.

Even the geology (minor) is firmly rooted in the literalness of Genesis and Leviticus. If they keep it within their own fence, I dont think theres a damn thing that anyone can do about it. Its private, its self funding, it seeks no public backing. The fact that its pure bullshit and a wste of some kids time is irrelevant. They wont be trained for anything but to continue teaching other Creationists. The needs for that labor pool will be rapidly plugged within a year, maybe 2. How many Creation scientists work for drug companies? oil companies? mining corps? Id venture to say fe to none.

I know 2 guys who work for a US NAtional LAb and parade themselves as Creation SCientists. However, their fields of practice are totally different from their fields of belief.

Please keep em coming wandel, I like your reports torn from todays headlines. Despite Mr Bean's editing, (he hasnt gotten the point that theyve already been edited and his services are not needed), I read them with interest and , often, a smile, and more often, disgust at how stupid is our species.

Thanks for your support, farmerman. The anti-evolution movement never rests. (and apparently spendius never rests)

And neither does the pro-evolution movement nor you yourselves.

The difference is that I don't point it out about you but you do about me. And, by implication, as a fault. Even though you do the same. It's bloody wierd. And I'm the one who isn't needed and again I don't say things like that. They just want the megaphone to themselves.

But at least we have discovered that fm is disgusted with the stupidity of the human species as if he would like to give it a good makeover like the control freak he is.

Mr Bush could just as easily say--"Thanks for you support Dick- the Democrats never rest and apparently neither do their candidates and supporters. It's pure bullshit eh? How many Democrats have big houses?"

If ever you needed proof dear viewers that the anti-ID movement is anti-democratic and anti-free speech, which I know they are from reading the works of their founders like de Sade and Marx, there you have it up above. They are totalitarians to their bone marrow and they daren't even try to justify it with descriptions of their atheistic vision.

But the outlines show through if you can discern them.

This is the biggest laugh wande. The sheer empty hollow sound these fine words make.

It's as if sounding good to a room full of ninnies is all that matters.

Explain your ideas then. Be precise. Make some predictions-- we are all agog to hear them. You've been avoiding them long enough.

Watching your brave astronauts repairing the outside of their fantastic contraption doesn't give me the impression that Christianity is anathema to science. Plato would be speechless seeing that.

I think you guys would kill science stone dead.

I'm going to ask the Mods to change the title of the thread to Spendi's Amazing World of Non-Sequiturs. It would far more accurately reflect some of the gibberish that Spendi has come up with lately. I mean come on... Spendi's definition of ID doesn't even match with reality.

No, no, no Wolf. You were asked to provide some prognostications for an anti-ID future not to have another itsy-bitsy meaningless gush.

Your only hope is that the viewers are stupid and I don't think that is the case. If I was batting for a totalitarian scientific future, as I could do if I wanted to, I would have you lot silenced for being a discredit to the movement.

And if I was a mod I wouldn't want you knocking at the study door with your trifling whingings. If you can't take the heat step outside into the threads with low viewer ratings.

Prognostications are meaningless.



No, um, that's your only hope, Spendi. Because in one of your previous posts, you credit the invention of a recently modern movement to people who have died long since it was created and long since the movement arose in response to the Intelligent Design nonsense.

You agreed with a person who made the nonsensical statement that homosexuality is a consequence of evolution... despite the fact that, hm... surely evolution would weed out homosexuality, because homosexuals wouldn't reproduce and spread their traits?



Your delusions are getting the better of you. Anti-ID =/= totalitarian movement.

Anti-ID is about stopping complete rubbish from being taught in our schools, because ID (the proper definition, not the whimsical enigma you've come up with) is complete and utter twaddle. It is bad science and it is also bad theology, because it makes God look like a complete and utter moron.

He's clever enough to design Evolution, but not clever enough to make it do all the things he wants to do. That's like a computer programmer making a spreadsheet program that can do everything except add, so every now and then the user has to manually add things himself.

Bad theology.

It's also bad science, because it takes a complete strawman and then says, if that strawman condition exists, then evolution couldn't have done it, so God must have done it. That's not testable. It makes no predictions, plus the strawman condition (irreducible complexity) is... well... a strawman. Not everything evolves through the addition of one new mutation.

Things can evolve through the loss of information, thus giving the appearance of irreducible complexity.

What anti-IDers really want is for the Discovery Institute and Creationists to stop trying to by-pass the proper scientific channels of actual experimentation, peer-review, and then publication. And what we really wish most of all, is for Creationists to stop peddling lies about evolution at every single opportunity they can get.

Lies like de Sade and Marx invented an "anti-ID movement". Lies like the anti-ID movement wishing to create a totalitarian government.